-!- Irrsi  Log opened Wed Aug 06 00:00:13 2003
-!- Irrsi  Day changed Wed Aug 06 2003
[00:00]   daja77 hides behind esden
[00:00] < rxr> some quick voting: should I apply minimal_XFree just as it is?
[00:00]   Be-El replaces daja77 (bas)?sh with a nice csh or rc
[00:00] < owl> buhuhahahuhauhuh. *crying* my parents are back :-( no :-((((
[00:01] < Be-El> rxr: does it contain the usual development tools (compiler, make etc.) ?
[00:01] < rxr> oh my - I hate this ROCK Linux effect
[00:01] < daja77> huh?
[00:01] < rxr> you search s.th. on google and just find ROCK Linux stuff ...
[00:01] < daja77> hehe
[00:01] < rxr> Be-El: ask owl  ;-)
[00:01] < Be-El> owl ? ;-)
[00:01]   daja77 keeps unchanged by Be-El
[00:02] < rxr> Be-El: but sure gcc is included, since it needs it to comile ...
[00:02] < Be-El> daja77: *grmpf*
[00:02] < owl> Be-El: depends on what you need... vim, make, autoconf, automake, gcc...
[00:02] < Be-El> hmm...ok
[00:02] < rxr> this time I sarch for scripting mew list
[00:02] < rxr> s/list/lisp/ ..
[00:02] < rxr> top entry:
[00:02] < Be-El> i'll finish the regression build for a new and fixed version of mysql and start the minimal target afterwards
[00:02] < rxr> "Scripting Mew to run from cron
[00:02] < rxr> " - René Rebe ...
[00:03]   daja77 notes that rxr is a google vip
[00:03] < tsa> rxr: feel free to troll around in the ms windoze newsgroups for a while ;)
[00:03] < rxr> no thanks
[00:03] < tsa> hehe
[00:05] < daja77> rxr: do you have time later this day?
[00:05] < rxr> much time?
[00:06] < daja77> nah just having a look at rtai stuff
[00:06] < daja77> afternoon i guess
[00:06] < rxr> ah - you do not mean this night?
[00:06] < rxr> tomorrow afternoon I might be at the camp ...
[00:06] < daja77> no this night i'd use for sleep ;-)
[00:06] < rxr> but I can chat from there I guess ...
[00:07] < daja77> okis, if not this would be no tragedie
[00:07] < daja77> tragedy
[00:08] < daja77> how the hell the french word came into my mind ...
[00:08] < tsa> 497 active packages
[00:10]   daja77 off to bed now
[00:10] < daja77> cool night to everybody
[00:11] < owl> thx. 2 u 2, daja77
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[00:14] < Be-El> cu daja
[00:15] < jsaw> bbl
[00:16] < rxr> good night daja77
[00:16] < n00kie> sleep well daja77
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[00:18] < esden_> ahh ...
[00:18] < esden_> ok ... this seems to work better
[00:18] < esden_> re hi all
[00:19] < netrunner> esden_: hi :)
[00:19] < esden_> hi netrunner
[00:20] < esden_> netrunner: you poser have your primary nickname ;)
[00:20] < rxr> rehi esden_
[00:20] < esden_> rehi rxr
[00:21] < esden_> that is terrible ... than wlan stuff is not really working as expected >_<
[00:25] < n00kie> Howdy esden big boy :)
[00:25] < tsa> https://homepage.mac.com/pogo23/arsch.html
[00:25] < esden_> hi n00kie little boy ;)
[00:25] < n00kie> o_O
[00:25] < n00kie> ;)
[00:26] < n00kie> lol tsa
[00:27] < esden_> i like that "arschgeweih" as far as it is on womens asses ;)
[00:27] < tsa> hehe
[00:29] < esden> humm ... now also my ssh is working
[00:29] < esden> I ask myself for how long
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[00:32] < rxr> esden:  see your esden_ query !
[00:32]   netrunner plays with esden's network cable ...
[00:32] < netrunner> rxr: he is currently seeing what's going on in the neighbour tent :)
[00:32] < martin> gn8 all and rxr
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[00:33] < martin> rxr: when will you travel? tomorrow?
[00:34] < SMP> travel? hehehe
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[00:36] < rxr> martin: the few meters, maybe tomorrow around lunch ...
[00:36] < rxr> SMP: hi, rock-net commit ?
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[00:37] < SMP> no chance right now - I'm installing my new laptop for the Camp
[00:39] < rxr> but you take a latest copy of the files to the camp ?
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[00:40] < SMP> rxr: of course
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[00:42] < SMP> name any other distribution that one can install by booting a custom kernel with non-custom initrd from the network and installing packages from ISO images located on an NTFS patition
[00:43] < SMP> (2nd stage came from NTFS, too, but that's rock-specific)
[00:43] < Be-El> SMP: solaris jump start ? *duck*
[00:44] < SMP> hehe
[00:44] < Be-El> .oO ( if the ntfs partion is exported by a linux box via nfs to the installation server, of course )
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[00:45] < rxr> esden: arh - still arround ?
[00:46] < netrunner> rxr: now cabeling the neighbour-tent
[00:46] < netrunner> rxr: shall I call him here?
[00:47] < rxr> I only wanted to get his handy number ...
[00:50] < tsa> see /msg
[00:59]   rxr currently preparing some scrpit to automatically apply mails from the list
[00:59] < rxr> this work get's too boring ...
[00:59] < tsa> hehe
[00:59] < Be-El> *g*
[01:00] < Be-El> btw...the kdebindings patch fixes the package
[01:00] < rxr> does someone now some way to execute mutt or pine on a mail-file to just play the normal content part ?
[01:00] < rxr> Be-El: you mean the one I committed ?
[01:00] < Be-El> rxr: yeap
[01:01] < rxr> arhp - pine coredumped ...
[01:01] < rxr> hm - pine always core-dumps on this iBook-
[01:01] < rxr> hm
[01:02] < rxr> hm - I try it on the ultrasparc until I have a debugable version of pine
[01:03] < rxr> btw. Not only did I manged to segfault nameif - no! I also recently found a way to seg-fault mkreiserfs ...
[01:03] < rxr> I think i should soon take some minutes to patch reiserfsprogs, pine, nameif and mc ...
[01:07] < tsa> 452 active packages...
[01:10] < rxr> tsa: normally you are a mail expert ;-) A tiny prog or pine/mutt whatever that outputs the normal message body out of a mail ?
[01:10] < tsa> rxr: with mutt, you can use "|" to pipe a part of a message to a program
[01:11] < rxr> I do not want to use mutt exclusively ...
[01:11] < rxr> I just need the body out of a dumped mail ...
[01:12] < Be-El> local mail dir ?
[01:12] < tsa> try formail
[01:12] < tsa> (or the perl MIME stuff)
[01:18] < tsa> https://www.jaenicke.org/splitmime.pl
[01:18] < tsa> something like this
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[01:21] < tsa> should be easy enough to adopt for your needs.
[01:21] < rxr> hm - I take a look - thanks
[01:21] < rxr> formail does not work as expected ...
[01:22] < rxr> (for my current data-layout)
[01:22] < tsa> ah, i see
[01:33] < tsa> svn down?
[01:34] < tsa> svn: RA layer request failed
[01:34] < tsa> svn: REPORT response handling failed to complete the editor drive
[01:36] < rxr> tsa: Hm - works fine here
[01:36] < rxr> are you sure all is working on your side?
[01:37] < rxr> what is svn --version ?
[01:37] < Be-El> tsa: you need to update your svn version....same problem here...
[01:37] < tsa> hm...an hour ago, it still worked..
[01:37] < rxr> tsa: ok - but I'm still interested - which svn version
[01:38] < tsa> 0.22.0
[01:38] < Be-El> tsa: the problem does not show up at all svn actions....
[01:38] < rxr> oh - that really really old ...
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[01:43] < rxr> how do I force an install in cpan ?
[01:43] < Be-El> force install Blah::Blubb
[01:43] < rxr> the damn tool claims it is up to data (since I intalled it manually before) - ah - tried -f ...
[01:44] < rxr> thanks - seems to start it ...
[01:45] < Be-El> force install is also handy to install modules which tests failed...for some reason
[01:45] < rxr> man - I'll have a ton of perl crap on the iBook just to get the body of a mail
[01:46] < rxr> maybe I should write 100lines of C++ code to do the same but more light-weight ...
[01:47] < rxr> arhg!Can't call method "print" on an undefined value at ./splitmime.pl line 24, <STDIN> line 111.
[01:50] < jsaw> rxr: would that be something for you: https://www.methods.co.nz/python/mailextract.py?
[01:50] < tsa> svn updated. ok again..
[01:51] < jsaw> rxr: see also https://www.methods.co.nz/python/index.html
[01:52] < jsaw> re btw
[01:53] < Be-El> rxr: $body->print(\*STDOUT);
[01:55] < jsaw> Be-El: are you going to supply more gnome2 updates (as long as Mike is here only sporadically), maybe?
[01:56] < Be-El> jsaw: probably not....i just needed gtkperl for some application were are developing
[01:56] < Be-El> jsaw: and i'm not familar with gnome2 at all
[01:57] < jsaw> is it on anybody else's todo?
[01:57] < Be-El> jsaw: i'm going to concentrate on perl modules and several bioinformatics application
[01:57] < Be-El> .oO ( and fix that sge package before ;-) )
[01:58] < rxr> jsaw: mailextract.py does not work because I need the body text, and not the multi-parts
[01:58] < jsaw> Be-El: we should start a scientific target together...
[01:59] < Be-El> jsaw: we can also ask kasc...he already maintains some chemical applications
[01:59] < jsaw> rxr: o, sorry. (btw, with python, everything for email extraction is already there, but...)
[01:59] < rxr> there is not need for a target / per use-case
[01:59] < rxr> but grouping the applications into s scientific repository would be nice
[02:00] < jsaw> rxr: or that, I have a couple of physics stuff
[02:00] < Be-El> and we need 4-digit build order numbers ;-)
[02:01] < jsaw> rxr: BUT, most of my physics stuff is disabled by default.
[02:01] < rxr> they are alreay 6 digit !
[02:01] < rxr> jsaw: why?
[02:02] < jsaw> rxr: Because, they are rarely used outside physics. Should I make these X?
[02:02] < rxr> Be-El: and this dot not really matter that much, a priority can be reused, they are build in alphabetical order ...
[02:03] < rxr> maybe in 2.1 we should discard the priorty completely and always schedule the packages by the dependencies - and newm, dependency less packages are build last, and rebuild until the errors do not change anymore (genetic building? ;-) to create the new dependencies ...
[02:04] < rxr> jsaw: yes - only packages which are not compatible (due to soem hardcore build modifications or whatever) should be disabled by default
[02:04] < Be-El> and maybe we should find a way to split dependencies into compilte time and runtime dependencies
[02:04] < rxr> especially since O pacakges are not build in a reference build and do not get upated .cache files
[02:05] < rxr> jsaw: how was this comment about python and mail above ment? That you (or I?) do not liek python ?
[02:06] < jsaw> rxr: I was not sure if u like or don't like it. So I was trying to be careful in suggesting python.
[02:06] < rxr> do you like it ?
[02:07] < jsaw> I haven't had much time to explore it. But I like the concept a lot.
[02:07] < rxr> I normaly did not liked it - but the "mailextract" looks easy to adapt it to my needs ...
[02:08] < rxr> I need food ... cu in some more minutes ...
[02:09] < jsaw> cu rxr
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[02:17] < rammi> hi .. long time no see :)
[02:19] < jsaw> tsa: https://wxglade.sourceforge.net/
[02:19] < Be-El> hi rammi
[02:21] < tsa> ah
[02:21] < tsa> more wxwin stuff
[02:22] < Be-El> time to sleep....cu
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[02:26] < rxr> re
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[02:30] < rxr> jsaw: if you have time could you write some lines what concepts you like in python ?
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[02:42] < rxr> cool - with a tiny modification the pyton script now does what I want ...
[02:43] < mnemoc> re
[02:43] < mnemoc> hi rxr
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[02:45] < netrunner> ah, nice net now, thanks to esden :)
[02:46] < rxr> hi mnemoc
[02:46] < SMP> hi mnemoc
[02:47] < mnemoc> hi SMP
[02:50] < mnemoc> rxr: i haven't read -cross packages yet, but can't be merged into classic stage 0?
[02:51] < rxr> they are _additional_ packages
[02:52] < rxr> for a _2nd_ compiler ;-)
[02:52] < mnemoc> doh
[02:52] < rxr> and yes, they are _also_ build in stage0 (if enabled by the user - or automatically for sparc32 w/ 64bit kernel)
[02:53] < mnemoc> what wold be the effect of using this 'new' compiler with standard x86?
[02:53] < rxr> but if you have any improvements I'm open for suggestions ...
[02:53] < rxr> there is no need ot use it
[02:53] < mnemoc> i'll have to read them first ;)
[02:53] < rxr> but you can just use it to e.g. build a ARM compiler or simillar
[02:54] < mnemoc> i understand to 'no need'... but i'm thinking about replace ;)
[02:54] < rxr> mnemoc: ok - read the packages first
[02:54] < mnemoc> :)
[02:54] < mnemoc> ok
[02:55] < rxr> but this is not exactly a new compiler - just yet anthor cross compiler (currentl gcc3 is used ...)
[02:55] < rxr> mnemoc: btw: You do gcc33 based builds regularly ?
[02:55] < mnemoc> yep
[02:55] < mnemoc> exclusively
[02:55] < rxr> only minimal buils or even some more complete ones?
[02:56] < rxr> I'm interested in error-ratio if used for a full desktop or generic build ...
[02:56] < mnemoc> my biggest target has 120 packages :\
[02:56] < rxr> mnemoc: btw: You know abou the new -ftracer (or so) optimisation option in gcc33 ?
[02:57] < mnemoc> o_O
[02:57] < mnemoc> no idea...
[02:57] < mnemoc> let's google
[03:00] < mnemoc> i'll do some clean up here, and build a generic with gcc33
[03:00] < rxr> cool - that would be great
[03:01] < rxr> the -ftracer does addition code-flow analyses (I read somewhere)
[03:01] < rxr> results in slightly faster code ...
[03:02] < mnemoc> do u wnat the test with or withour that var_append?
[03:02] < mnemoc> i mean CC_WRAPPER :)
[03:04] < tsa> hm..
[03:04] < tsa> strange.
[03:04] < tsa> `TODO' -> `/usr/doc/lgeneral/TODO'
[03:04] < tsa> `ChangeLog' -> `/usr/doc/lgeneral/ChangeLog'
[03:04] < tsa> Extracting lgeneral-data-1.1.3.tar.bz2 (--use-compress-program=bzip2 -xf) ...
[03:04] < tsa> Changeing into /vol/multimedia/mp3/trunk/src.lgeneral.1060131033.11651.2490500360/lgeneral-data-1.1.3 ...
[03:04] < tsa> --- BUILD ERROR ---
[03:05] < tsa> directory present and accessible, but build aborts..
[03:07] < SMP> usually some early hook fucked up
[03:08] < mnemoc> mp3/trunk?
[03:08] < tsa> yes.
[03:08] < tsa> had to move the rock tree there because all the other disks were filled up
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[03:18] < rxr> Ok! Committed revision 1026.
[03:18] < rxr> Using my new "Auto-Commit" ;-)
[03:18]   rxr happy
[03:19] < mnemoc> auto-commit sounds dangerous
[03:20]   tsa considers sending strange patches ;-)
[03:20] < mnemoc> hehehe
[03:21] < rxr> tsa: strange patches will be rejected using my mail client
[03:21] < rxr> the auto-apply only applies stuff I save, and also only with my interaction ...
[03:21] < tsa> i see.
[03:21] < mnemoc> is mod_perl usable with apache2?
[03:26] < mnemoc> rewrite: is mod_perl2 usable? anyone has tested it?
[03:26] < rxr> I have not tested it
[03:27] < tsa> don't know.
[03:27] < rxr> but I heared (half a year or more ago) that some php perl whatever modules have problems with certain new thread models ..
[03:27] < rxr> but I think since Apache2 is stabe and used for such a long time now those folks should got their threading problems solved ...
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[03:40] < jsaw> rxr: the first concept in python I like is coupling syntax and structure. second, it's C-like. third, it's OO. But as I said, I'm currently exploring and am not very familiar with it yet.
[03:41]   mnemoc prefers c# ;)
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[03:45] < jsaw> mnemoc: really?
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[03:47] < rxr> hm - I really dislike this indenting syntax coupling
[03:49] < jsaw> well, otoh, it forces u to structure the program right from the beginning, anyway,
[03:50] < jsaw> I have to leave now. Tired. cu l8r.
[03:55] < jsaw> rxr: ??? !> Extracting jasper-1.700.2.zip (--use-compress-program=bz ..
[03:55] < jsaw> !> bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
[03:57] < rxr> oO - but we have zip support - strnage - I take a look after sleep ..
[03:59] < jsaw> sleep well, /me now off *really*, gn8 all
[03:59] < netrunner> hehe, esden just got interviewed about rocklinux on the local radio station
[04:00] < rxr> cu
[04:00] < netrunner> rxr n8
[04:00] < rxr> netrunner: which radio statio =?
[04:01] < netrunner> rxr: radio subether, on the camp ground 88.3
[04:03] < rxr> hm - don't now ...
[04:03] < rxr> s/now/know/ ...
[04:03] < tsa> n8
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[04:04] < netrunner> https://www.subether.de/stream.html
[04:05] < rxr> was it a live interview ?
[04:05] < netrunner> sure :)
[04:05]   netrunner forgot to save the stream , damn
[04:06] < rxr> btw, since it is that late now - maybe we should meet arround 14-15 o'clock - what do you think ?
[04:07] < rxr> ok - good night!
[04:07] < netrunner> rxr: just call if you think we are to late.
[04:08] < netrunner> rxr: we call when we are awake.
[04:34] < esden> argl
[04:34] < esden> that is terrible al that with the cards
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[05:07] < esden> good night everyone
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[05:37] < rolla> yawn
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[07:20] < mistik1> yawn
[07:21]   mistik1 feels so proud, LTSP has won the prize for best Open source project
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[08:34] < fake> hi from the camp ;)
[08:34]   fake just arrived
[08:40] < owl> *ARGH*
[08:40] < owl> morning
[08:40] < owl> hi fake
[08:41] < owl> someone has endlesess package-build-loops or something, during the last days, too?
[08:43]   fake not
[08:43]   fake will sleep soon
[08:43] < fake> before it gets too hot to fall asleep
[08:43] < owl> hehe. didn't sleep at night?
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[08:55] < blindcoder> moin *yawn*
[08:57] < owl> hi blindcoder
[08:57] < blindcoder> hi owly
[09:07] < blindcoder> nice, 9-rock-src fails
[09:08]   blindcoder --> breakfast
[09:27]   blindcoder back
[09:28] < owl> https://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/anw-06.08.03-000/ < *headshot*
[09:31] < blindcoder> blablabla
[09:35] < blindcoder> phew, finally I have all packages for imlib together
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[10:57] < daja77> moin
[11:02] < blindcoder> moin moin
[11:03] < daja77> owl: rotfl they are getting even more ridiculous
[11:03] < daja77> moin blindcoder
[11:05] < daja77> $699 for a tiny piece of sco crap code. not bad
[11:08] < blindcoder> heh, as soon as they try to sue someone for it they have to disclose "their" code
[11:08] < blindcoder> somehow, I'm really looking forward to thath
[11:08] < blindcoder> s/.$//
[11:10] < daja77> the interesting part is that you can get future kernels binary only, wtf
[11:11] < blindcoder> well, if worse comes to worst I'll just add a *BSD or HURD kernel to ROCK :D
[11:12] < daja77> until sco finds their code in them too
[11:12] < daja77> at least bsd could be sue *pssstÜ
[11:13] < daja77> nah it can't cos at&t has lost against them ...
[11:15] < blindcoder> hmhm
[11:15] < daja77> *rofl* https://www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/inhalt/te/15329/1.html
[11:16] < daja77> the conclusion is nice ...
[11:20] < blindcoder> MUAHAHA
[11:20] < blindcoder> yes, it indeed is :D
[11:28] < daja77> not that we all know this already ;-)
[11:29] < daja77> anyway cu later
[12:06] < netrunner> moin
[12:06] < esden> moin
[12:06] < esden> ahh hi netrunner you are awake too? ;)
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[12:07] < netrunner> esden: yes. since you were talking to clifford so loud ...
[12:08] < esden> hehe ;)
[12:08] < esden> sorry ... I was not really awake at that point and did not really know what I do ...
[12:11] < netrunner> esden: did you ever ...?
[12:13] < esden> sure ... !!!
[12:14] < rxr> hi esden
[12:14] < rxr> moin all
[12:15] < blindcoder> ah finally all deps resolved
[12:15] < blindcoder> hi all
[12:15] < esden> hi blindcoder
[12:16] < esden> hi rxr
[12:16] < blindcoder> esden: you usually don't know what you do :P
[12:16] < blindcoder> esden: hi :)
[12:16]   esden takes out his LART and hits everyone in his neighbourhood
[12:16] < blindcoder> good that I'm not there :-)
[12:17] < rxr> esden: in which shops did you saw such self-cooling-beer-faesser?
[12:17]   netrunner doesn't tell esden that there are wasps sitting on his muesli
[12:17] < netrunner> rxr: they have it in bavaria ... from tucher iirc
[12:17] < esden> WHERE WHERE!!!
[12:17] < netrunner> rxr: ask your favourite beverage store :) (maybe call them up)
[12:18]   blindcoder is now going to have lunch and will then install GPS-Target on his laptop :-)
[12:18] < rxr> gps target? in ROCK ?
[12:19] < blindcoder> rxr: well, basically minimum sans a few things plus X plus GPSDrive and deps
[12:19] < blindcoder> unfortunately, of all the things I'm waiting for only the GPS-Receiver didn't arrive yet.
[12:20] < blindcoder> maybe the delivery-van got lost somewhere around Ingolstadt :)
[12:21] < netrunner> blindcoder: oh, was it that one we pushed from the track and crashed badly?
[12:22] < blindcoder> netrunner:  tststs. don't I _always_ tell you to search the cars you push off the street afterwards?
[12:22] < blindcoder> netrunner: what if there was still usable gadgets in it?
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[12:23] < Be-El> hi ppl
[12:24]   blindcoder now off for lunch
[12:25] < netrunner> blindcoder: what do you think where I got my gps?
[12:25] < blindcoder> netrunner: oh, okay then ^^
[12:25] < blindcoder> netrunner: I'm proud of you *taps netrunner on head*
[12:50] < daja77> cool anyone want this for rock https://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/dal-06.08.03-000/
[12:52] < daja77> lol sun is doomed, their linux distribution will be based on suse ...
[12:53] < Be-El> daja77: suse is a nice distribution....as long as you don't dare to touch configuration files with some editor
[12:54] < daja77> this knife is nice as long as you don't try cutting things with it ...
[12:54] < Be-El> hehe
[12:55] < Be-El> did you ever used solaris (either sparc or x86) ?
[12:55] < daja77> yepp x86
[12:55] < daja77> painfully slow
[12:55] < Be-El> they improved a lot with the last release
[12:56] < rxr> daja77: but I guess an arguement from SUN would be "hey it scales easily up to hundresds of CPUs" or "hey it supports TB of RAM" ...
[12:56]   daja77 tried slowlartus 7
[12:56] < Be-El> it's still slowaris, but you can work with it
[12:56] < daja77> anyway what about that pda
[12:57] < daja77> rxr: yeah sure but this is only true for sparc, x86 slowlartus is a bad joke
[12:57] < Be-El> the problem of solaris/x86 is the x86 part...not solaris itself ;-)
[12:58] < daja77> rofl
[12:58] < daja77> i mean others can do perform on x86 ...
[12:59] < Be-El> i have build some small x86 cluster some years ago, using solaris/x86 for the cluster pcs and solaris/sparc on the real machines...
[12:59] < rxr> especially the performance of x86 CPU is not the problem - did you used such a dog-slow SPARC?
[13:00] < daja77> no the solaris kernel is the problem, but hey they are professional
[13:00] < daja77> s
[13:00] < Be-El> daja77: performance on single-cpu machines is not the problem.....but if you need io performance and many cpus (> 4), the x86 architecture starts to fail
[13:01] < daja77> the arch, sure? not the chipsets
[13:01] < Be-El> sparcs may be slow with respect to number crunching....but they are fine for server applications
[13:02] < daja77> still they are replaced by linux clusters
[13:02] < Be-El> yes, the arch.....do you need the fast-a20 gate these days ? do you need real-mode bioses ?
[13:02] < Be-El> linux clusters ae cheaper
[13:02] < Be-El> +r
[13:02] < daja77> ahem yes?
[13:03] < rxr> Be-El: the realmode bios or the A20 gate do not hurt you in performance for the cluster
[13:03] < rxr> and the only problem might be low-cost chipsets
[13:04] < rxr> take a look at AMD64 and the integrated chipsets, w/ hypertransport ...
[13:04] < daja77> + it depends on the cluster
[13:04] < Be-El> rxr: i know, they were examples. there are many things that have been in the x86 since the early 80`.
[13:04] < rxr> perfectly suited for really big NUMA clusters ...
[13:04] < rxr> I like a good PC BIOS more than e.g. the OpenFirmware implementation on the rs/6k ....
[13:05] < Be-El> rxr: take the current processors, e.g. the opteron, and put them on an optimized architectur...with real crossbars and improved io handling
[13:05]   daja77 knows too many bad bios
[13:06] < rxr> I know many totally fucked up BIOS, too - but some OpenFirmware variants also suck like hell
[13:06] < daja77> all software sucks ...
[13:07] < Be-El> just get rid of the bios at all, put in a micro kernel (L4 for example) and just plug the OS and its driver to it
[13:07]   daja77 notes that mentioning sun is enough to start a flame war
[13:08] < Be-El> daja77: hehe
[13:08] < Be-El> and know.....svn update time ;-)
[13:08]   daja77 off for breakfast
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[13:13] < hopelessOwl> remoin
[13:13] < Be-El> moin owl
[13:14] < Be-El> 4 packages removed *sigh*
[13:14] < hopelessOwl> Be-El: ?
[13:14] < Be-El> owl: i have to improve my maintaince script....
[13:15] < hopelessOwl> ah. k.
[13:15] < Be-El> every time i send a patch to this list and it gets applied, it recognize the package as changed and puts it into the rebuild queue
[13:19] < Be-El> rxr: the jasper package is broken...the build scripts does not recognize the .zip extension and fails to extract the files
[13:29]   netrunner wonders why esden alwas silently dissapears when there are dishes to do ...
[13:30] < Be-El> perhabs he's allergic to water ? ;-)
[13:44] < fake> hm
[13:44] < fake> too hot to sleep, much too hot
[13:44] < hopelessOwl> hi fake
[13:46] < blindcoder> lme back
[13:47] < hopelessOwl> wb blindcoder
[13:47] < blindcoder> thx
[13:50]   fake testing suspend-to-disk (swsusp)
[13:55]   blindcoder installing ROCK-2.0.0-rc1-bc thus erasing ROCK 1.5.14
[13:57] < rxr> Be-El: I saw this ...
[13:57] < rxr> netrunner: when do you plan to come over?
[14:00] < blindcoder> hmm
[14:00] < blindcoder> kernel booting... then nothing...
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[14:13] < esden> re hi
[14:13] < blindcoder> hmm... strange
[14:13] < esden> ahh ... the wlan_ng stuff is really a charm
[14:13] < esden> it is now working without any problem
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[14:14] < esden> I hate my stupidity ... why have I not realized that I need it earlier ... >_<
[14:14] < blindcoder> I'd be happy to also be able to tell this from the install-CD
[14:14] < blindcoder> Freeing unused kernel memory: 152k freed
[14:14] < blindcoder> Laptop sitting there for 15 minutes now
[14:15] < Be-El> "It's dead, Jim"
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[14:15] < blindcoder> yeah...
[14:16]   blindcoder adding "debug" to kernel parameters
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[14:24]   esden installing kismet
[14:25]   blindcoder np: Weird Al Yankovich - Bomb Iraq
[14:30] < Be-El> does anyone got problems building the k3b package ?
[14:35] < rolla> re
[14:37] < Be-El> hi rolla
[14:56] < rolla> wie geht's Be-El
[14:57] < Be-El> rolla: och jo, alles im gruenen bereich...geniesse gerade ne woche urlaub :-)
[14:57] < Be-El> endlich mal zeit, wieder an rock zu arbeiten
[15:04] < rxr> Be-El: no, k3b builds here
[15:04] < Be-El> rxr: hmm..maybe the problem was related to --enable-final
[15:05] < Be-El> anyways, there's an updated version of k3b available (0.9). should i send a diff ?
[15:07] < blindcoder> hmm... which of the floppy*.img files is bootable?
[15:08] < rxr> Be-El: yes - feel free.
[15:08] < rxr> blindcoder: I would guess the first .. =
[15:08] < blindcoder> rxr: that was my guess, too... but it doesn't...
[15:12] < daja77> i hate this
[15:13] < daja77> Searching for missing or liggering old files ...
[15:13] < daja77> !> build/generic-2.0.0-rc1-x86-pentium-32-generic-expert/pkgs/gkrellm-2.1.14.gem should not be present (now in src/invalid-files.lst)!
[15:13] < daja77> why doesn't -newdelete remove it?
[15:14] < blindcoder> ARGH
[15:14] < blindcoder> makeimages.sh doesn't work anymore, too...
[15:14]   blindcoder now gone, getitng new car, no more hassles with ROCK now.
[15:15] < rxr> daja77: good idea - I might consider implementing this ...
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[15:19] < Be-El> what's the best way to check whether a variable is defined in plain sh/bash ?
[15:19] < rxr> I usually test if it has content
[15:20] < daja77> rxr: this would reduce some annoyance ;-)
[15:20] < Be-El> rxr: hmm...so something like  [ "$var" ] should work ? even if $var is 0 ?
[15:21] < rxr> or -z or -n
[15:21] < rxr> if $var is 0 your test will be true
[15:22] < rxr> s/is 0/is '0'/ ...
[15:24] < Be-El> ok...thnx
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[15:55] < daja77> huhu fake
[15:55] < fake> hi there
[15:56]   fake looking for esden
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[15:56] < daja77> fake: why? wanna kill him?
[15:58] < fake> no, make him settle down near the bsd tent and the roock tent space
[15:58] < daja77> :)
[15:58] < fake> esden: ping
[15:59] < hopelessOwl> *lol* why not shouting?
[15:59] < fake> hopelessOwl: i would have to shout louder than our music
[16:00] < daja77> cos fake is a peaceful and calm guy
[16:00] < fake> hopelessOwl: that would be hard
[16:00] < hopelessOwl> *g* k. how is the heat in berlin?
[16:00] < fake> it's damn fscking hot here
[16:00]   Be-El hands fake a cd "Best of Schlager"
[16:00] < hopelessOwl> poor guys :p
[16:00] < fake> i bet i have a sunburn all over because the sun shone on and through the tent
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[16:00] < Be-El> fake: that should be enough to lure everyone within 1 km to your place ;-)
[16:01]   hopelessOwl leans back relaxed in a cold cellar room :p
[16:01] < fake> Be-El: to throw things at me? great idea ;P
[16:01] < Be-El> owl: *g*
[16:01] < hopelessOwl> fake: *kick*
[16:01] < hopelessOwl> and congrats to the sunburn :p
[16:01]   fake is deeply impressed by the working internet connection
[16:02] < hopelessOwl> working after 2 days?
[16:02] < fake> no, since we arrived
[16:02] < hopelessOwl> O_o
[16:03] < fake> yeah, i looked that way, too
[16:04] < hopelessOwl> ;) dammit...
[16:05] < hopelessOwl> Be-El: schlager? waaaaah. *kick*
[16:06] < Be-El> hehe
[16:06] < daja77> hopelessOwl: thought you like it
[16:06] < Be-El> especially since owls got a very good sense of hearing ;-)
[16:06] < daja77> gothic schlager, or so
[16:06] < hopelessOwl> daja77: schlager???
[16:07] < daja77> well we all get older ...
[16:07] < Be-El> daja77: yeah, featuring stefan mross and the dark trumpet ;-)
[16:07] < hopelessOwl> daja77: hmmm... 80ies... yes... but no "normal schlager" ...
[16:07] < daja77> Be-El: lol
[16:07] < hopelessOwl> wuah... yes... and i see, that i have about 12 GB of gothic, metal, punk and so...
[16:08]   Be-El listens to VNV Nation - Joy
[16:08]   hopelessOwl np subway to sally - boeses erwachen
[16:08]   fake listens to Goethes Erben - Fleischschuld
[16:09] < Be-El> .oO ( mv rock\ linux dark\linux
[16:09]   rolla listens to Ministry Bad blood ;)
[16:09] < Be-El> hehe
[16:10] < Be-El> ok, if there should ever be a developer meeting, there'll be no problem with choosing the right music
[16:10] < daja77> Be-El: do you come to dev meeting?
[16:10] < hopelessOwl> hm. yeah... but clifford listens to different music afaik...
[16:10] < Be-El> daja77: nope, no time :-(
[16:11] < daja77> :-(
[16:11] < fake> hopelessOwl: clifford listens to all kinds of music
[16:12] < hopelessOwl> fake: really? thought mainly to techno or stuff like this?
[16:12] < fake> hopelessOwl: mainly
[16:13] < hopelessOwl> k ;)
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[16:26] < fake> if esden shows up, please tell him i am in the bsd tent, the one on the left
[16:26] < fake> where there is netbsd on it
[16:26] < Be-El> anyone interested in fixing the kdemultimedia31 package ?
[16:27]   fake off chilling
[16:27] < fake> much too hot to work...
[16:27] < daja77> netbsd rules ...
[16:27]   daja77 hides
[16:27] < Be-El> https://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=105761977009209&w=2
[16:27] < daja77> fake: is hubert feyrer there?
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[16:29] < rolla> grrr
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[16:30] < daja77> for rolla this means hello ...
[16:30] < rolla> :)
[16:30] < rolla> daja77: do you know openldap?
[16:30] < daja77> i tried it three years ago
[16:31] < rolla> stupid thing has a max of 11 object to return
[16:31] < daja77> hmm sorry can't help you there
[16:31] < Nebukadneza> can anyone help me burning dvd's?
[16:32]   daja77 notes that Nebukadneza wants to turn this chan into #gentoo
[16:33] < Nebukadneza> why?
[16:34] < rolla> ?
[16:44] < hopelessOwl> daja77: ??
[16:45] < daja77> join and you'll see
[16:46] < hopelessOwl> waaaaaah!!! wtf!??? over 600 nicks in #gentoo
[16:46] < daja77> yeah and all asking stupid questions
[16:47] < hopelessOwl> *g*
[16:47] < daja77> esden showeed us that mess last weekend
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[16:47] < hopelessOwl> hihi
[16:47] < daja77> hi capchaos
[16:48] < hopelessOwl> moin cap
[16:48] < capchaos> Hi, daja. Hi, owl.
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[16:53] < Be-El> hi capchaos
[16:53] < capchaos> Hi, Be-El.
[16:54] < starlord> should stone(boot setup,lilo/grub) work from 2beta6?
[16:55] < daja77> yes
[16:55] < starlord> well not for me,
[16:55] < daja77> you took drock?
[16:55] < starlord> yep
[16:56] < starlord> and choosed hmm,minimal(console) as target
[16:56] < daja77> on some machines it doesn't work with drock, for some strange reason
[16:56] < starlord> crap,then i need to download another iso
[16:56] < daja77> generic should work better, don't shoot me if I am wrong
[16:57] < starlord> but it doesnt work at console also,so this isnt stoned stone problem?
[16:57] < starlord> but its lilo's?
[16:57] < daja77> hmm maybe ncurses package didn't install?
[16:59] < starlord> actually when i choose (Re-)install lilo,it shows like normally it should added rock,etc...,but it doesnt for some reason add it to MBR,and when i run lilo from command line it complains about the LBA32 line
[17:00] < daja77> hmm dunoo, haven't used lilo for a long time ...
[17:00] < starlord> hmm,what does that minimal contain?
[17:00] < starlord> iso i mean
[17:01] < daja77> can't tell, maybe someone else can
[17:01]   daja77 has to leave
[17:01] < hopelessOwl> <-- away
[17:01] < hopelessOwl> bbl.cya
[17:02] < starlord> found info from handbook already,no need
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[17:42] < Aard> re
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[18:12] < tsa> hi all.
[18:12] < tsa> rxr: sysvinit 2.85
[18:14] < tsa> ntp 4.1.2
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[18:16] < blindcoder> hmm
[18:16] < blindcoder> is there any known issue with linuxrc not running on certain hardware?
[18:22] < Be-El> bbl
[18:22] < blindcoder> *sigh*
[18:23]   blindcoder away: Why ask if everyone ignores one anyway?
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[18:27] < rolla> casue we don't like you
[18:35] < tsa> xpdf 2.02pl1
[18:35] < rolla> ?
[18:37] < tsa> just randomly announcing new versions that should/might get updated
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[19:03] < blindcoder> hmm..
[19:03] < blindcoder> autoload_modules hangs on my laptop
[19:04] < rolla> suck
[19:05] < blindcoder> yes, indeed
[19:13] < blindcoder> okay, commented it out in linuxrc.c, now trying again
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[19:18] < JTBurn> re
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[20:28] < rolla> re JTBurn
[20:28] < JTBurn> re
[20:28] < JTBurn> :)
[20:29] < JTBurn> me and my grilfriend are now going skating :) (wish us luck *g*)
[20:29] < rolla> have fun
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[20:54] < owl> hi
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[21:07] < tsa> hm...
[21:08] < tsa> strange.
[21:08] < tsa> is there anything currently broken with the build scripts?
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[21:09] < tsa> hi ripclaw
[21:09] < owl> tsa: why? do you get a endless-loop of [1] Building base/linux24 [2.4.21 2.0.0-rc1] ?
[21:09] < netrunne1> rehi
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[21:10] < owl> or something similar with endless-loop?
[21:10] < tsa> owl: no, i get .err's without error..
[21:10] < owl> O_o
[21:10]   owl just gets every time a [1]base/linux-building-until-user-aborts-the-build...
[21:11] < tsa> hehe
[21:11] < owl> don't laugh. not funny!
[21:12] < ripclaw> hi tsa
[21:13] < ripclaw> problems compiling estic-1.61, cant find symbol tgetnum in libraries
[21:14] < tsa> estic?
[21:17] < tsa> i don't see any estic package..
[21:17] < ripclaw> www.prog-link.com/downloads/index.html
[21:17] < ripclaw> estic is for programming  phone-PBX
[21:17] < ripclaw> no package yet
[21:17] < ripclaw> brb
[21:20] < ripclaw> didnt work as expected
[21:20] < ripclaw> i took the estic original package, which fails, the debian unstable 1.61 does compile for a while, but breaks at linking
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[21:27] < ripclaw> .
[21:27] < ripclaw> re
[21:27] < tsa> re
[21:27] < ripclaw> i took the estic original package, which fails, the debian unstable 1.61 does compile for a while, but breaks at linking
[21:27] < tsa> with or withour xfree?
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[21:28] < tsa> s/r/t/
[21:28] < ripclaw> tsa  do you have an idea what to do if he complains about finding no tgetst symbol, but the libs are there and ldconfig was run ? without xfree
[21:28] < ripclaw> i can upload a tarball, if you like.
[21:28] < ripclaw> i already fixed the bytesex.h problem
[21:29] < tsa> already got the source
[21:29] < tsa> seems to be a problem with your curses library
[21:29] < ripclaw> which - debian or original ?
[21:29] < tsa> orig
[21:30] < ripclaw> ok.
[21:30] < ripclaw> 1.61 or 1.60
[21:30] < tsa> 160
[21:31] < ripclaw> ack. does compile with your machine ?
[21:31] < owl> https://www.dr-wo.de/schriften/feudalismus/stundenlohn.htm
[21:31] < tsa> no, it doesn't
[21:32] < ripclaw> if it complains about bytesex, s/bytesex/endian/
[21:32] < ripclaw> try using the debian package sources, they have a central makefile etc.
[21:33]   netrunner wants more beer
[21:33]   ripclaw opens bottle and passes it on
[21:33] < ripclaw> hmmm. its possible ldconfig didnt work correctly ?
[21:34]   netrunner gets electro shock s out of his pc while dlicking beer out of int
[21:34] < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
[21:35] < owl> hi blindcoder
[21:36] < blindcoder> hi owly
[21:37] < ripclaw> hires
[21:37] < ripclaw> hmmm. it looks weird.
[21:44]   blindcoder --> bed. g'night
[21:45] < ripclaw> n8
[21:45] < tsa> cu ripclaw
[21:56] < tsa> GRMPF.
[21:56] < tsa> damn gcc.
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[22:01]   tsa trying cross-build.
[22:11] < owl> tsa: ? why gcc?
[22:12] < tsa> owl: 1-gcc3.err
[22:12] < tsa> without any obvious error.
[22:12] < Nebukadneza> #animeone auf irc.mircx.com <-- HOLY Shit!!!
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[22:17] < tsa> np: Depeche Mode - Puppets
[22:18] < rolla> np: Ned's Atomic Distbin - Legoland
[22:20] < owl> np: in extremo - omina sol temperat
[22:20] < tsa> uh
[22:21] < tsa> mittelalterliches gekreische? ;)
[22:22] < owl> yeah. why? ;)
[22:27] < Nebukadneza> owl: hai
[22:28] < Nebukadneza> kumpel von hir hört das andauernd ... is net schlecht find i
[22:28] < owl> hi Nebukadneza. ack. it depends on mood. but it's cool imho
[22:29] < Nebukadneza> löl
[22:29] < Nebukadneza> all forgot language :9
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[22:30] < owl> yeah
[22:31] < Aard> hi owl
[22:33] < owl> hi Aard
[22:33] < Aard> bbl
[22:34] < esden> hi all
[22:34] < owl> hi esden
[22:37] < esden> hi owl
[22:38] < esden> ahh is it nice to have the right driver for the wlan card ;)
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[22:39] < daja77> re
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[22:44] < netrunner> hi esden :)
[22:44] < netrunner> esden: it's so warm here, I do not want to go out again :)
[22:44] < daja77> huhu campers
[22:44] < netrunner> hi daja77
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[22:45] < daja77> may he rest in peace ...
[22:45] < daja77> do they have a fire?
[22:46] < owl> .oO( daja77 is in evil mood again...)
[22:46] < daja77> hm?
[22:47] < owl> hm. nothing...
[22:47] < daja77> ic
[22:47] < daja77> evil mode again, sounds good to me
[22:48] < owl> hmm. yes...
[22:48] < daja77> phear me!
[22:48] < daja77> :)
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[22:49]   daja77 just don't like lusers hanging around here ...
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[22:49] < owl> why?
[22:49] < daja77> why?!
[22:50] < owl> yes... why
[22:50] < daja77> ahem cos i don't like lusers everywhere ...
[22:51] < owl> hmm. k.
[22:52] < daja77> ok in #gentoo they don't disturb me ...
[22:53] < daja77> owl: are we alone here?
[22:54] < fake> lsno
[22:54] < daja77> oh hi fake, how are you at the camp?
[22:55] < owl> hi fake
[22:55]   netrunner wants to sleep for some time. beer always makes netrunner tired. and we bought 20l of it
[22:56] < daja77> haha säufer!
[22:56] < netrunner> ah - anyway my lap is running out of power ... cu later
[22:56] < daja77> no wonder when you come with esden *ggg*
[22:56] < daja77> cu netrunner
[23:07] < owl> https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,260178,00.html
[23:09] < esden> netrunner: move your ass to the bsd tent ;)
[23:10] < esden> argh ... he is sleeping ..
[23:11] < daja77> cu later
[23:21]   daja77 back
[23:21] < daja77> damn mysql
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[23:42] < jsaw> re
[23:42] < jsaw> hi all
[23:43] < daja77> huhu jsaw
[23:44] < jsaw> hi daja77. what's going on?
[23:44]   daja77 watching tv
[23:45] < jsaw> I just watched Andromeda, but now /me back @ work
[23:46] < daja77> was it good?
[23:46] < jsaw> the 1st yes, the 2nd one "an den Haaren herbeigezogen"
[23:46] < daja77> 2nd one is old stuff anyway
[23:47] < jsaw> yeah, but I was actually fixing rock packages...
[23:48] < daja77> good, good
[23:48] < jsaw> :)
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