-!- Irrsi  Log opened Tue Aug 19 00:00:37 2003
[00:00] < netrunner> jsaw: hey, I am currently dancing in a circle because my pipe works 8)
[00:01] < tsa> Assessing patches needed for your system...
[00:01]   tsa waiting..
[00:04] < jsaw> netrunner: I remember having had the same reaction one year ago  or so (also the pipe/fork/exec thing)
[00:04]   fake off-line
[00:17] < daja77> re
[00:30] < netrunner> jsaw: is there a cpan like institution for c? I now want to parse html output *g*
[00:34] < daja77> no you should google for a lib
[00:34] < daja77> ok /me now goin to bed, cu
[00:34] < Freak> I'm bored.
[00:35] < dreamind> *yawn*
[00:36] < Freak> exactly
[00:37] < Freak> the world is changed - I feel it in the water...
[00:37] < Freak> bbl
[00:50] < jsaw> netrunner: what daja77, additionally freshmeat
[00:50] < netrunner> daja77,jsaw: thx :) but I'll go to bed for now, maybe I'll get the trail tomorrow.
[00:52] < jsaw> cu, netrunner
[00:52] < jsaw> me also off now
[00:52] < jsaw> cy'all
[00:53] < SMP> cu
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[02:12] < SMP> uh-oh
[02:12] < SMP> anyone here with a recent build and nvi and openldap?
[02:17]   jsaw re-appeares for seconds
[02:17] < jsaw> SMP: pentium-mmx?
[02:17] < jsaw> (with gcc-3.3.1)
[02:18] < SMP> whoah
[02:18] < jsaw> need it?
[02:18] < SMP> ok, thanks anyway, I pinned the bug down already
[02:18] < jsaw> in the package or on your system?
[02:18] < SMP> do you want to see nvi eat RAM _really_ fast?
[02:19] < jsaw> not really
[02:19] < jsaw> |-)
[02:20] < SMP> DAMNIT $%&/()"§=(§R *S*H*I*T
[02:21] < jsaw> wtf is/are it/u doin?
[02:21] < SMP> Aug 19 02:20:22 delusion modprobe: FATAL: Failed to open config file /etc/modules.devfs: No such file or directory
[02:21] < SMP> Aug 19 02:20:53 delusion last message repeated 1201 times
[02:21] < jsaw> *argl*
[02:22] < SMP> and before I moved modules.devfs away it spit out the warnings about it as well
[02:23] < jsaw> okay, I have to support this: WTF DAMNIT $%&/()"§=(§R *S*H*I*T
[02:24] < SMP> it spins trying to load snd_seq_oss whenever xmms is running
[02:24] < SMP> but xmms uses the artsd output plugin...
[02:26] < jsaw> I had this once with suse and net-pf-10. Have been too lazy to track down back then (but the rate was maybe 1/3000th)
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[02:27] < SMP> :>
[02:27] < SMP> and why the fsck is grep so slow
[02:28] < SMP> oh my goodness
[02:31] < rolla> re
[02:34] < SMP> ARGH
[02:34] < SMP> I found the bug in modprobe
[02:34] < SMP> jsaw: it's right in line 1265 :)
[02:35] < SMP> oh, no
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[02:37] < slef> Well, the Emerge-Pkg xfree86 has left me with a segfaulting date.  Reinstalling glibc23 and coreutils from CD has not helped.  I'm at a loss.
[02:37] < slef> Any pointers?
[02:38] < SMP> only date segfaults? ;)
[02:39] < slef> well, date segfaulting is the one that kills the scripts
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[02:39] < slef> I did manage to make ls segfault at one point, but that wasn't reproducible
[02:41] < jsaw> try ldconfig
[02:41] < slef> I think I did.  I'll just retry that.
[02:43]   slef waits for disks to fsck (although he's sure it was a clean shutdown)
[02:45] < slef> hrm... maybe I didn't
[02:45] < SMP> jsaw: can you please try grep -c performance? like time grep -c `hostname` /var/log/messages
[02:46] < SMP> # time grep modprobe messages > /dev/null
[02:46] < SMP> real    0m56.938s
[02:46] < SMP> user    0m27.642s
[02:46] < SMP> sys     0m0.024s
[02:46] < slef> blah... now it correctly says that localtime isn't set
[02:46] < SMP> # wc -l messages
[02:46] < SMP>   20400 messages
[02:47] < SMP> this is just i*n*c*r*e*d*i*b*l*y slow
[02:48]   slef kicks self and thanks jsaw
[02:48] < jsaw> :)
[02:48] < jsaw> time  grep `hostname` /var/log/messages > /dev/null
[02:49] < jsaw> real    0m0.030s
[02:49] < jsaw> user    0m0.010s
[02:49] < jsaw> sys     0m0.020s
[02:49] < jsaw> # wc -l /var/log/messages
[02:49] < jsaw>   22352 /var/log/messages
[02:49] < SMP> yeah I found it
[02:49] < SMP> it's because of my UTF-8 locale
[02:50] < jsaw> o_O .oO(?)
[02:53] < SMP> https://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-utils/2003-05/msg00159.html
[02:55] < SMP> absolutely incredible
[03:02] < slef> needs profiling
[03:02] < slef> what is incredible?
[03:02] < SMP> the slowness
[03:14] < slef> well, utf-8 is a newer problem than plain C strings
[03:15] < slef> does Emerge-Pkg -dep packagename always build all deps?
[03:15] < SMP> it doesn't have to be _that_ dog slow
[03:15] < SMP> slef: yes
[03:15] < slef> SMP: so help them out
[03:15] < slef> Is it possible to only build unbuilt deps?
[03:15] < SMP> ehm
[03:15] < SMP> of course it does never rebuild things that are already installed
[03:16] < slef> funny... it seems to be building bash et al again
[03:17] < SMP> try -debug
[03:17] < slef> k, ta... will report back later, praps
[03:17] < slef> gtg
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[06:34] < blindcoder> moin
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[07:31] < holyolli> moin
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[09:29] < blindcoder> nothing like bouncing spam :D
[09:44] < fake> rxr: what's up?
[09:48] < daja77> huhu fake
[09:48] < blindcoder> main main
[09:48] < blindcoder> ehm
[09:48] < blindcoder> moin moin
[09:48] < blindcoder> dawn dvorak keyboard.
[09:49] < blindcoder> damn user too stupid for dvorak-keyboard.
[09:49]   blindcoder LARTs himself
[09:49] < daja77> oh how? *vbeg*
[09:50] < blindcoder> by posting stupid questions to dasr. And NO, that one wasn't from me :D
[09:52] < daja77> lol which threadf
[09:52] < blindcoder> <bhrmit$4ki$04$1@news.t-online.com>
[09:53] < blindcoder> "Diese Newsgroup"
[09:53] < daja77> yeah saw it, anbd you know this guy
[09:54] < blindcoder> no
[09:54] < blindcoder> not in person, that is
[09:54] < rxr> re
[09:54] < daja77> hi rxr
[09:55] < rxr> hi daja77
[09:55] < blindcoder> moin rxr
[09:55] < blindcoder> rxr: gpsdrive *snif*
[09:56] < daja77> lol
[09:56] < daja77> rxr: btw nice to meet you on the highway :)
[09:57] < rxr> yes ;-) you both must have "ueberholt" us during some break
[09:58] < daja77> and you overtook us before leaving the A 93
[10:03] < rxr> yep
[10:03] < daja77> when you arrived at berlin?
[10:09]   daja77 votes for lynx-like motion in all apps ...
[10:11] < rxr> daja77: I do not remember exactly, I think arround 8am in front of hour house ...
[10:11] < daja77> ah :)
[10:11] < rxr> and arround 7am the outline of berlin ...
[10:12] < blindcoder> daja77: lynx-like? I have used lynx on three arches, each behaved differently... which behaviour do you mean?
[10:12]   daja77 now back to bed ...
[10:12] < blindcoder> bed? At 10AM? WTF?
[10:12] < daja77> blindcoder: using arrow keys for navigation
[10:13] < daja77> yeah I just noticed what nonsense i typed in mails ...
[10:13] < blindcoder> hmm... okay...
[10:14] < blindcoder> hehe, and I noticed what nonsense customers^WLusers^WCallers^W...PEOPLE... yeah... that's good... People tell me on the phone
[10:14] < daja77> you know that you wake up ealier than me :)
[10:14] < blindcoder> yeah, I'm no lazy STUDENT *pokes esden* after all :D
[10:14] < daja77> exactly
[10:14] < daja77> :P
[10:16] < blindcoder> "The Server is extremely slow today." - "Which server?" - "Ehm... moment I have to look that up.... ... ... ... ..." - Me: *speechless*
[10:16] < daja77> ROTFL
[10:18] < daja77> someone just pointed me to that photo https://schickard.dyndns.org/export/lt2003/100-0081_IMG.JPG
[10:18] < blindcoder> "Ah here, intranet.icn.siemens.de." - "Okay, I'll check... no the machine is mostly idling. What makes you think it's lagging?" - "Our perl-script took 2 seconds to run today. Usually it takes less than one." - Me: *speechless*
[10:19] < daja77> will you stop making me laughing that loud, my neighbours could interrupt me
[10:19] < blindcoder> daja77: hehe :-)
[10:19] < blindcoder> daja77: was that last years dev-meeting?
[10:19] < blindcoder> no can't be
[10:20] < blindcoder> where did that beer come from?
[10:20] < daja77> no ltag2003, we were eating with some openbsd guys
[10:20] < blindcoder> ah, okay
[10:20] < daja77> me with sauce in the face, urgs
[10:21] < daja77> italian food ...
[10:21] < blindcoder> hehe :-) talkingg about food... /me checking Fressliste for today
[10:21] < daja77> ok now really off
[10:22] < blindcoder> ok, bye
[11:31] < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
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[11:38] < slef> Hi again.  Reran the Emerge-Pkg -dep xfree86.  glibc compiled etc and now date &c segfault again.  ldconfig helps not.  Any ideas?
[11:42] < rxr> slef: what is the exact command you run?
[11:42] < rxr> which rock linux version did you run Emerge-Pkg on ?
[11:43] < slef> rxr: installed from a 2.0.0-beta7 but have done Update-Src on it
[11:43] < slef> rxr: ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -dep xfree86
[11:43] < slef> in reverse order
[11:43] < rxr> does only the date command fail - or is more broken now ?
[11:44] < slef> date dumps core, ls dumps core... find doesn't
[11:44] < slef> I can try others if you want
[11:45] < slef> strace shows it to be sigsegv
[11:45] < rxr> slef: could you start them in gdb ?
[11:45] < slef> three rt_sigaction() calls, a rt_sigprocmask() and then a _sysctl()
[11:45] < slef> sure
[11:46] < slef> ok, done
[11:46] < slef> what can I give you?
[11:46] < blindcoder> date and ls are part of coreutils aren't they? find is a seperate package findutil
[11:46] < blindcoder> s
[11:47] < slef> blindcoder: yes
[11:48] < blindcoder> hmm... I only had problems like this when updating a live system from glibc 2.2 to 2.3
[11:48] < rxr> slef: gdb <prog-that-fails>
[11:48] < slef> rxr: already done that
[11:48] < slef> rxr: I'm at the (gdb) prompt now, after it's died
[11:48] < rxr> bt
[11:48] < rxr> for back-trace ...
[11:49] < slef> #0 0x00000000 in ?? ()
[11:49] < slef> #1 0x4016106f in longjmp () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
[11:49] < blindcoder> null-pointer? WTF?
[11:49] < slef> #2 0x40166621 in pthread_atfork () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
[11:50] < slef> #3 0x4015dad5 in svcauthdes_stats () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
[11:50] < rxr> slef: which CPU is that and what optimizations did you use ?
[11:50] < slef> #4 0x4000ab4c in _ld_catch_error () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2
[11:50] < slef> (cont)
[11:51] < slef> rxr: athlon-xp, changed the option in Config to athlon-xp
[11:51] < slef> model name : Mobile AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1700+
[11:51] < rxr> any chance you can rebuild glibc with no arch optimisation ?
[11:52] < slef> yes, but I'll have to install glibc from CD package again so that the build system works
[11:52] < rxr> slef: that would also be nice to know:
[11:52] < slef> (no problem with that, but if you want to capture data, it won't be possible for a while)
[11:53] < rxr> if you install the glibc from the CD, does the system work ok again ?
[11:53] < fake> hm
[11:53] < fake> rxr: you asked for me yesterday?
[11:53] < slef> rxr: yes.  Done that twice yesterday.  reinstall and then ldconfig.
[11:53] < fake> 1675 builds total, 1236 completed fine, 55 with errors.
[11:53] < rxr> fake: yes, there was s.th I do not remember currently ... :-(
[11:53] < fake> rxr: then it wasn't that important, eh
[11:54] < rxr> slef: ah ok. So either a real glibc bug or gcc mis-optimization
[11:54] < slef> rxr: I'd bet misoptimisation, now you mention it.  I think I saw -march=... is -mcpu=... possible?
[11:54] < rxr> could you rebuild glibc with pentium optimization?
[11:55] < slef> ok, starting
[11:56] < rxr> jsaw: are you arround?
[11:58] < owl> moin
[11:58] < fake> hi owl
[11:58]   fake wech
[12:03] < owl> bye fake
[12:04] < slef> Is anyone here looking at other source-build distributions?
[12:05] < owl> nah. but doing another one...
[12:05] < owl> slef: if you're interested in contributing...?
[12:06] < daja77> *cough* rock is no src based distribution ...
[12:07] < slef> daja77: it looks like a duck from just here.  How would you describe it?
[12:07] < daja77> rocklinux is a distribution build kit
[12:08] < owl> aha. and what should be the difference, then, daja77 ?
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[12:08] < daja77> oh my ... don't tell me that _you_ don't know
[12:09] < slef> I'm used to distributions that give you tools to build your own distribution sets.  That needn't make it use the source, thouh I prefer it.
[12:11] < blindcoder> rehi
[12:11] < blindcoder> damn customers
[12:11] < owl> daja77: well. aren't bash-scripts als source?
[12:11] < daja77> huh?!
[12:12] < owl> daja77: ?
[12:13]   blindcoder can't remember the number of how often the "Is ROCK a distribution" question was asked asd discussed in length >_<
[12:13] < slef> owl: ?
[12:13] < owl> blindcoder: ...
[12:14] < owl> rock is a improved patch-collection...
[12:14] < daja77> blindcoder: ack don't let us do it again, not if slef and owl are able to read
[12:14] < blindcoder> daja77: aye.
[12:15] < rxr> owl: that rock is _only_ a improved patch-collection is a bad joke
[12:15] < slef> URL?
[12:15] < rxr> coudl the tongue get a bit friendlier?
[12:15] < daja77> https://www.rocklinux.org
[12:15] < owl> anyways i'm not willed to contribute to rock any longer. and this is now finally
[12:15]   slef forcefeeds daja77 a slashdot poster
[12:15] < owl> rxr: so what is it then, too?
[12:16] < blindcoder> https://www.rocklinux.net/people/esden/irclog/
[12:16] < rxr> owl: and why do you want to stop rock linux contributions this time =
[12:16] < rxr> s/=/?
[12:16] < owl> rxr: because [reasons]
[12:16] < slef> blindcoder: any particular file?
[12:16] < blindcoder> slef: IIRC one out of four
[12:16] < daja77> because she doesn't get everyones attention this wayy
[12:16] < blindcoder> that question pops up again and again and again
[12:17] < rxr> blindcoder: what crap are you posting here?
[12:17] < blindcoder> slef: in short: with ROCK you can build your own distribution.
[12:17] < rxr> slef: maybe https://www.rocklinux.org/about.html
[12:17] < rxr> is of help
[12:17] < rxr> blindcoder: with this tone to new users we will never get any new ... ?!?
[12:18] < blindcoder> rxr: I didn't want to be unfriendly. I wanted to end this discussion before it started again. Seems like my try backfired. My sincere apologies for that. /me will now shut up.
[12:19] < owl> .oO(if it's just the tone...)
[12:19] < slef> blindcoder: that doesn't make rock not a distribution itself.
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[12:19] < owl> wb true
[12:19] < rxr> slef: yes ROCK Linux includes some preconfigured distributions ...
[12:21] < slef> blindcoder: I also searched 5 of your irc logs without finding it.
[12:21] < rxr> blindcoder: if it still comes up we need to _fix_ our homepage and/or documentation
[12:21] < daja77> owl: what else,  you are always ranting withouit asingle argument
[12:21]   slef searched on distr
[12:21] < true> thx owl
[12:21] < rxr> owl: why do you want to stop contributing to rock this time ?
[12:21] < owl> rxr: because i want. dot.
[12:21] < daja77> owl has no reason as always
[12:21] < owl> 2.0.0-final will never be released i guess.
[12:21] < rxr> owl: how - wow. Any real argument?
[12:21] < owl> daja77: shut up. nobody asked _you_
[12:21] < owl> rxr: build it, use it and see the errors. have fun bughunting
[12:21] < rxr> owl: this channel is not for personal flamewars ...
[12:22] < daja77> rxr: *gg* you could tag a final just for owl
[12:22] < rxr> owl: my server builds rock the whole day - where is the problem ?
[12:23] < owl> daja77: *kick* it even would not be stable, then. a build has over 50 errors...  about some month ago there were only 6 errors... then new packages were added, and added, and added. there was no feature freeze, when it was quite stable and so on
[12:23] < owl> rxr: there are many problems.
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[12:24] < slef> Not wishing to step into the flamewar, but fwiw, I don't understand why rock package definitions are spread over multiple files.
[12:27] < owl> well, don't ask me. i'm not allowed to speak
[12:27] < blindcoder> slef: in the ideal case a package definition is only a .desc file
[12:27] < slef> Dependencies seem not to be built into a DAG either, AFAICT.
[12:28] < slef> blindcoder: is the .cache file generated then?
[12:28] < blindcoder> slef: yes it is
[12:29] < dennis> fake: please slap your boss ;D
[12:29] < fake> dennis: i think i won't do that
[12:30] < slef> blindcoder: why does the handbook speak of .conf in a way that looks like .desc to me at https://www.rocklinux.net/people/rene/rock-handbook/html/node154.html
[12:31] < rxr> slef: this is already correct here - I just did not yet released a full new version ...
[12:31] < rxr> owl: new packages do not really hurt since they do mainly cause regression for a reference build
[12:32] < rxr> feature freeze == core script && package freeze
[12:32] < blindcoder> that site seems wrong...
[12:32] < rxr> s/package/core /package/
[12:32] < owl> rxr: but new packages like e.g. gcc, glibc hurt. and arm-architecture and stuff...
[12:32] < rxr> owl:  do you build for ARM?
[12:33] < rxr> if yes then be happy we have it ; if no then dont care
[12:33] < slef> OK, new question seeing as no-one likes the graph one: how do I stop things with inappropriate licences being installed?
[12:33] < rxr> we do not have an new gcc or glibc what are you talking about ?
[12:33] < owl> rxr: i don't. but it needs patches and, and, and... and this is time, someone doesn't have to fix other _important_ issues!
[12:34] < blindcoder> slef: that's something we haven't thought about yet... what inappropriate licenses do you mean?
[12:34] < slef> rxr: noted.  Release soon, please.
[12:34] < blindcoder> slef: but it would be interesting as a feature request...
[12:34] < owl> or how do you explain, that some "since-years-in-this-tree"-packages are still failing?
[12:34] < rxr> owl: it does not need any time from you if you do not care about ARM
[12:35] < owl> rxr: rock does not need any time from me if i'm not caring about rock anymore. isn't that the best solution for all?
[12:35] < rxr> owl: because you invest too less time, maybe?
[12:35] < slef> blindcoder: surprisingly enough, I'm interested in building installation images.  I'd like help in stopping stuff I can't redistribute from getting in there
[12:36] < blindcoder> slef: hmm... IIRC there are no things in ROCK that aren't allowed to be redistributed... that's why there's no Java, for example.
[12:36] < slef> blindcoder: also, I'd prefer to stop GPL stuff linking against OpenSSL, but that probably requires some work.
[12:37] < slef> blocking free-to-use (ie unfixable) and non-commercial licences would be a big help
[12:37] < slef> I'd probably also block FDL, personally, as that's not free software either.
[12:38] < blindcoder> slef: hmm... that's de facto not possible without some handwork...
[12:38] < daja77> oh my god, a gpl waarrior
[12:38] < daja77> warrior
[12:38] < blindcoder> slef: you could create a small line with grep, cut and echo do do this, though...
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[12:38] < owl> daja77: and? do you have problems with gpl-warriors?
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[12:38] < daja77> yes
[12:39] < slef> gotta love freesplit.net
[12:39] < slef> did many lines of mine get dropped?
[12:40] < owl> daja77: and why=?
[12:40] < owl> might because they have another opinion than you have?
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[12:40] < blindcoder> slef: for x in package/*/*/*.desc ; do if [ `grep GPL $x | wc -l` -lt 1 ] ; then echo "- $x" >> config/default/pkgsel ; fi ; done
[12:40] < blindcoder> something like that could help
[12:40] < blindcoder> damn lag
[12:40] < owl> blindcoder: slef is not here
[12:40] < daja77> cos there is nothing wrong with free to use licenses
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[12:41] < fake> uh
[12:41] < slef> so that bug's still there too
[12:41] < blindcoder> slef: for x in package/*/*/*.desc ; do if [ `grep GPL $x | wc -l` -lt 1 ] ; then echo "- $x" >> config/default/pkgsel ; fi ; done
[12:41] < blindcoder> slef: something like that might help
[12:41] < owl> blindcoder: slef is not here
[12:41] < blindcoder> hmm..
[12:41] < blindcoder> owl: stfu
[12:41] < daja77> sure he is
[12:41] < owl> blindcoder: stfu???
[12:41] < fake> for x in package/*/*/*.desc ; do if [ -z "`grep GPL $x`" ] ;  then echo "- $x" >> config/default/pkgsel ; fi ; done
[12:41] < owl> daja77: yes. again.
[12:42] < slef> owl: I am, but I did drop out for a little thanks to a freesplit ircd bug
[12:42] < owl> fake: why uhing?
[12:42] < blindcoder> slef: hmm... actually that helps almost, you have to trim $x a but before echo'ing it but that's basically necessary to put only GPL software into your build
[12:42] < fake> arghl
[12:42] < fake> that would deactivate all GPL packages ;)
[12:42] < blindcoder> fake: indeed :-)
[12:43] < slef> I did wonder about the -
[12:43] < blindcoder> you forgot a !
[12:43] < fake> jep
[12:43] < daja77> *gg* that would leave the warrior surrounded by evil packages
[12:43] < slef> or use -n instead of -z
[12:44] < fake> for x in package/*/*/*.desc ; do [ -z "`grep GPL $x`" ] || echo "- $x" >> config/default/pkgsel ; fi ; done
[12:44] < blindcoder> for x in package/*/*/*.desc ; do if [ ! -z "`grep GPL $x`" ] ; then x=${x##*/}; x=${x%.desc}; echo "- $x" >> config/default/pkgsel ; fi ; done
[12:44] < fake> hehe.
[12:44] < blindcoder> MUAHAHA
[12:44] < slef> I just noticed the bit that said "we use bash instead of make for pragmatic reasons"
[12:45] < owl> .oO(where's rxr gone to? i want to continue the streit)
[12:45] < slef> given that most people are terrible at bash, losing dependency graphs just to avoid make seems an unpragmatic choice
[12:45] < slef> my opinion only, YMMV
[12:45] < slef> It may be possible to use make to build the graphs and bash for the build system, though.
[12:46]   slef ponders how that would work
[12:46] < daja77> there is more in life than depency graphs ...
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[12:47] < slef> daja77: there is more in life than manually fixing screwed deps too
[12:47] < slef> seems a shame to have a solution there and not use it
[12:47] < daja77> who said that we have to fix stuff liek that all the time
[12:48] < blindcoder> slef: well, autoconf and automake are solutions, too. And not everybody uses it. Do you complain to that projects, too?
[12:48] < slef> autotools are a solution to a particular problem... just as with make, they're not always appropriate
[12:49] < blindcoder> indeed.
[12:49] < daja77> are they appropriate for a single package
[12:49] < slef> given that I've already noticed comments in the src tree about dependency handling not being quite right, it seemed a fair comment
[12:49] < slef> daja77: depends on the package
[12:50] < blindcoder> maybe some day we decide to switch. but that won't happen anytime soon, I think. Maybe we will also port ROCK to Brainf*ck if appropriate :-)
[12:50] < daja77> make makes no sense for rock imo
[12:50] < slef> Blimey.  Did Make run off with your spouses or something?
[12:50] < owl> muhahahahahaha. negative words from a rock-developer, eh blindcoder ?
[12:50] < daja77> + people aren't smarter in writing makefiles than in writing bash scripts
[12:51] < blindcoder> owl: wherare there negative words?
[12:51] < daja77> bash is more flexible
[12:51] < slef> daja77: no-one says that they are, but comments like "the deplist is quite unsorted so we need to work around this here" makes me think there's a place for it in the build system.
[12:52] < owl> blindcoder: if you tell, that brainfuck will be used, instead of make-files and stuff... :p
[12:52] < rxr> we will not swtih
[12:52] < blindcoder> owl: *sigh* here, have a cup of humour so ou ae able to detect sarcasm
[12:52] < rxr> switch even
[12:52] < slef> daja77: bash is a better scripting tool, yes, but a shit make system.
[12:52] < slef> rxr: no-one's saying switch!
[12:52] < rxr> take a look into the BSD how ugly their packages are (ports collection)
[12:52] < owl> blindcoder: sarcasm. so- so... *vbeg*
[12:53] < daja77> slef: so what, we work on this ok, but make still doesn't help us there
[12:53] < rxr> slef: blindcoder said "we might switch one day"
[12:53] < slef> rxr: I think he was being sarcastic
[12:53] < rxr> slef: we have dependencies - even auto-generated
[12:53] < rxr> and you would need shell code in (or attached near) the Makefiels anyway
[12:53] < owl> why? ports are great... and at least they have dependencies *pointing to rock and saying "no dependcy-problems solved here"*
[12:54]   slef buries owl in ice cream
[12:54] < rxr> owl: we have solved it
[12:54] < daja77> lol
[12:54] < rxr> owl: by having dependencies
[12:54] < owl> auto-generated dependencies? where? with build-pkg, too?
[12:54] < rxr> /ignore owl
[12:54] < owl> slef: thx for the ice-cream
[12:54] < owl> rxr: why ignoring me?
[12:55] < slef> rxr: why not use make to build the dependency graph from before building?
[12:55] < rxr> slef: and we even use make (IIRC) for the bootdisk target a resolve a build-time dependency decision ...
[12:55] < owl> in bsd it's easy... 'make $package' automatic download of unresolved dependencies, automatic builds - just wonderful
[12:55]   slef injects owl with reality serum (ex FBSD sysadmin)
[12:55] < daja77> cos you keep out of sync with rock at your own will, and then complaining about things you just haven't figured out
[12:56] < blindcoder> owl: it's also easy in gentoo. emerge vim and you get all packages up to and including XFree
[12:56] < owl> slef: why?
[12:56] < owl> blindcoder: and rock? not solved yet
[12:56] < rxr> blindcoder: ack - and just so does our Emerge-Pkg ...
[12:56] < blindcoder> owl: so why don't you solve it?
[12:56] < owl> blindcoder: why should i?
[12:57] < slef> maybe emerge is a broken concept
[12:57] < blindcoder> owl: because you're complaining about itp.
[12:57] < slef> I have wondered that
[12:57] < owl> blindcoder: and?
[12:57] < owl> blindcoder: i'm not a rock-dev
[12:57] < blindcoder> owl: good. we've heard and filed your complain. Please move on.
[12:57] < daja77> owl: you are always complainig without really looking on what's goin on, that's why you miss new rock features
[12:57] < blindcoder> owl: it won't help to repeat the same problem over and over again.
[12:58] < owl> daja77: and? in which rev should be the new features
[12:58] < slef> daja77: is there a Rock Periodic Summary?
[12:58] < daja77> there is a mailinglist ...
[12:58] < owl> `? /me has rev1104... and ./script/Build-Pkg package --> no auto-dependencies...
[12:58] < fake> owl: ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg ?
[12:58] < blindcoder> owl: ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg !
[12:59] < owl> blindcoder: why having two build-pkg-scripts, then?
[12:59] < rxr> slef: there is a Rolling ROCK magazin on the homepage!
[12:59] < fake> owl: READ THE DAMNS CRIPT!
[12:59] < blindcoder> owl: because the Build-Pkg scripts only builds a package
[12:59] < blindcoder> owl: it's not its job to resolve deps
[12:59] < owl> fake: no
[12:59] < daja77> owl: cos depency resolving is not what you want every time
[12:59] < fake> Emerge-Pkg calls Build-Pkg
[12:59] < slef> rxr: oh.  I thought that would be CD build instructions.
[13:00] < fake> for every package the package you want to build depens on
[13:00] < owl> daja77: strange. why using script then? then build it by hand
[13:00] < daja77> rotfl
[13:00] < fake> owl:
[13:00] < blindcoder> owl: if you want to build by hand --> LFS
[13:00] < fake> ....
[13:00] < owl> fake: .... << yes?
[13:00]   fake notes there is no use for this discussion
[13:00] < daja77> you have really no clue ...
[13:00] < blindcoder> fake: ACK
[13:00] < blindcoder> daja77: ACK
[13:01] < slef> rxr: can I tempt you to put "Rolling ROCK Magazine" or similar on the menu link?
[13:01] < owl> and? must i have it?
[13:01] < blindcoder> owl: if you complain about something then yes.
[13:01] < rxr> slef: that would be too long ... :-(
[13:01] < fake> owl has a bad day, and she wants to punish someone,
[13:01] < blindcoder> fake: owl has a bad year.
[13:01] < slef> rxr: "ROCK Magazine"?
[13:01] < daja77> owl: no not really, it is ok for most people to have no clue
[13:01] < blindcoder> owl: or you will only get something along RTFM
[13:02] < owl> fake: ack.
[13:02] < rxr> slef: if other votes for this, sure ... anyone ?
[13:02] < slef> UPDATE: glibc23 built and installed with pentium optimisations
[13:02] < owl> blindcoder: nope. see no sense
[13:02] < fake> owl: does it have to be us ? can;t you simply join #gentoo or something? ;))
[13:02] < blindcoder> rxr: hmm.. it might be a good idea to do so, but
[13:02] < owl> fake: nope. i can't and won't. but #ereboslinux
[13:02] < blindcoder> rxr: Rolling ROCK Magazine _IS_ long... maybe there are other ways to do so?
[13:03] < daja77> owl: lol but talking to yourself is no fun i guess
[13:03] < blindcoder> owl: and I see no sense in you complaining here about something you have no clue about.
[13:03] < slef> I can believe that it's suboptimal, but "Rolling ROCK" didn't hint that it was a magazine to me.  No "Mag" "News" or similar in the title
[13:03] < owl> daja77: there is not only me
[13:03] < owl> blindcoder: well why are you talking then, to me?
[13:04] < fake> Rock magazine is fine... Rock Zine?
[13:04] < blindcoder> owl: well, probably because I'm the only one trying to give you senseful answers?
[13:04] < fake> ROCK Zine ?
[13:04] < owl> blindcoder: well. bad luck for you.
[13:04] < blindcoder> fake: hmm... ROCK Magazine sounds fine...
[13:04] < fake> *laughs*
[13:04] < fake> but that sounds like a music magazine
[13:05] < blindcoder> owl: no for you. because you just loose the last respect the people in here had left for you
[13:05]   slef tries the Emerge-Pkg -dep xfree86 with athlon-xp optimisations again
[13:05] < fake> and Zine has that E-Zine taste
[13:05] < blindcoder> fake: and ROCK Zine is better?
[13:05] < fake> IMHO
[13:05] < blindcoder> fake: hmm... okay, I have to ack that...
[13:05] < daja77> you are both not hip, it should be rock blog *gg*
[13:05] < blindcoder> fake: still it would be a shame to loose that Rolling part...
[13:05] < fake> Rolling ROCK Zine
[13:06] < fake> Magazine
[13:06] < daja77> Rolling Rock Mag ?
[13:06] < owl> blindcoder: and? do you really think i care about people? or about respect? or about someone? - not really. boy, thought you knew me better...
[13:06] < rxr> blindcoder: fake: the full name would sitll be Rolling ROCK
[13:06] < blindcoder> owl: so if you don't care, why do you still interact with them?
[13:06] < rxr> just the link could be Rock Magazine ...
[13:07] < blindcoder> rxr: so Rolling ROCK as headline and ROCK Zine only for the link? sounds fine
[13:07] < fake> rxr: right, it's just the name of the link
[13:07] < daja77> Rolling Rock News ...
[13:07] < fake> Rolling NewsRock
[13:07] < owl> blindcoder: why shouldn't i? sitting here and starring at the code and so on is too boring.
[13:07] < fake> (imagines a rock with news engraved rolling down a hill)
[13:07] < daja77> hehe
[13:08] < fake> owl: so you play aorund with how other people react, that's not nice..\
[13:09] < owl> fake: and? nobody said, that i'm nice
[13:09] < rxr> should I rename it ROCK Zine of ROCK Magazine, now ?
[13:09] < fake> rxr: ROCK Zine
[13:09] < daja77> yes call it rock zine
[13:10] < fake> owl: but you seem to expect that people accept you being not nice to them...
[13:10]   daja77 votes for a channel bitch ...
[13:10] < owl> fake: sure. if they don't that's their problem. not mine.
[13:11]   blindcoder puts in a ballot with three letters
[13:14] < slef> Rolling Rock News would work
[13:14]   daja77 now off for breakfast
[13:14] < blindcoder> daja77: an guadn
[13:14] < daja77> :)
[13:14] < fake> slef: too late ;)
[13:14] < slef> heh, ok... was on phone
[13:14] < fake> daja77: mahlzeit
[13:15] < fake> https://www.rocklinux.net/typo3/
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[13:15] < fake> rxr: are you bored? ;))
[13:16] < slef> uOS compiling on this box... rock on the faster one... who will win? :)
[13:16] < fake> rxr: there is still task #31 waiting to be closed
[13:16] < slef> How can I do -mcpu but not -march?
[13:17] < fake> slef: architecture/*/....in
[13:17] < slef> Config seems to do march only?
[13:17] < fake> slef: it's set somewhere there
[13:17] < slef> fake: ok ta
[13:18] < fake> well i only know for sure for mips ;)
[13:20] < fake> 1675 builds total, 1263 completed fine, 55 with errors.
[13:25] < rxr> fake: no not bored - just busy
[13:26] < fake> rxr: good *g*
[13:27] < rxr> fake: you do not yet see the subversion commit and mail storm ?
[13:28] < rxr> fake: btw: which email address do you want to be used for the SVN commit mails ?
[13:30]   blindcoder buried under a flood of emails :-)
[13:31] < owl> *har* hopefully luser-mails?
[13:31] < blindcoder> owl: no, that are redirected to you
[13:31] < blindcoder> s/redirected/bounced back/
[13:32] < owl> blindcoder: ah. yes. i see them *vbeg*
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[13:34] < owl> hi Nebukadneza
[13:34] < Nebukadneza> moin owl
[13:35] < slef> wow... upm seems to trash its package status if you interrupt it
[13:36] < blindcoder> does someone know if it's possible to check against which files a binary was linked?
[13:36]   owl np: in extremo - nature nous semont
[13:36] < blindcoder> say, /lib/libc-2.3.1.so /usr/lib/libssl.so and the like?
[13:37] < slef> does https://www.rocklinux.org/76.html report wrong character encoding?
[13:37] < fake> ldd ?
[13:38] < blindcoder> fake: thanks
[13:39] < fake> np ;)
[13:39]   fake Artwork - Liebling der Goetter
[13:40] < slef> actually, are all Rolling ROCK articles reporting wrong charset?
[13:41] < slef> no, only some
[13:41] < slef> hrm, maybe all
[13:42] < slef> they claim to be iso-8859-1 when they seem to be utf-8
[13:43] < rxr> slef: might be y typo3 bug ...
[13:44] < slef> rxr: pages under https://www.rocklinux.net/typo3/ are OK
[13:44] < slef> rxr: pages on https://www.rocklinux.org/ are not
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[14:02] < netrunner> moin
[14:03] < blindcoder> moin moin
[14:03] < netrunner> I dislike my server rebooting without me knowing it.
[14:06] < blindcoder> ehm... yes...
[14:09] < rxr> slef: could you mail this to the mailing list ? Or to clifford directly ?
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[14:20] < tcr> moin all
[14:31] < blindcoder> moin moin
[14:37] < fake> must be clifford's static-page-grab-script
[14:45]   fake Atrocity - Zauberstab
[14:57] < slef> rxr: will do rsn
[14:59] < rxr> rsn ?
[15:04]   owl np: subway to sally - auf der reise
[15:06] < jsaw> re
[15:06] < jsaw> hi all
[15:07] < jsaw> rxr: u asked for me?
[15:07] < daja77> hi jsaw
[15:07] < jsaw> hello
[15:11] < rolla> re owl
[15:11] < rxr> jsaw: yes ;-)
[15:12] < rxr> jsaw: how did kde compile with gcc33 as default compiler?
[15:12] < jsaw> horrible
[15:12] < rxr> ough.
[15:12] < rxr> is much broken? is it easily fixable?
[15:12] < jsaw> they did inherit classes, that have private destructors ;-(
[15:13] < jsaw> and non-default constructors without defining a constructor in the parent...
[15:14] < jsaw> or stuff like:  error: ISO C++ forbids zero-size array `data'
[15:14] < rxr> oO
[15:14] < jsaw> half of it is fixed already
[15:14] < jsaw> I'll have to send one kilogram of fixes to the authors during the weekend....
[15:15] < jsaw> 924 builds total, 838 completed fine, 72 with errors.
[15:15] < rxr> jsaw: oh - nice
[15:16] < jsaw> but as u can, a lot more to dig still
[15:19] < rxr> ok
[15:19] < rxr> me rebooting the schillernet server - one moment ...
[15:19] < jsaw> btw, gcc-3.3.1. There's another funny thing about it. It parses #if 0 sections and complains about non-ended quotes... e.g. gcc-2... has a lot of explanations instead of comments in those sections... and thus fails...
[15:20] < rxr> hm
[15:20] < rxr> cu in some minutes ...
[15:20] < jsaw> gtg, cu l8r
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[15:22] < fake> 1675 builds total, 1309 completed fine, 57 with errors.
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[15:43]   daja77 np kraftwerk - the model
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[15:45]   fake ASP - The Fields Of Athenry
[15:50] < esden> good morning everyone
[15:50] < esden> ;)
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[15:52] < daja77> esden!
[15:56] < fake> hi esden
[15:56] < daja77> seems he has fallen asleep again
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[15:59] < rene> re
[15:59] -!- rene is now known as rxr
[15:59] < daja77> wb rxr
[15:59] < rxr> the schillernet server should be online again (and with workind IDE DMA now ... :-()
[16:00] < esden> I was reading mails
[16:00] < esden> and I am half a sleep ... yes
[16:00] < daja77> <terminator voice>ha ha ha, that's what they all say</termninator voice>
[16:01] < daja77> esden: cool i'll join, /me sleepy the whole day
[16:02] < esden> daja77: you always have a terminator voice ... I had to stop myself some times not to get a knife and check if you are a terminator ;)
[16:03] < esden> so you do not have to add the tags ;)
[16:06] < daja77> o_O
[16:06]   daja77 never noticed
[16:07] < daja77> maybe esden smoked too much ...
[16:07] < esden> rxr: your sleep pants have been found ... YUCK ;)
[16:07] < esden> daja77: /me ??? NEVER!!!
[16:08] < daja77> if they'd have a signature we could sell it when we get famous
[16:08] < esden> daja77: ROFL ... yes ... like the pants of Verena ;)
[16:08] < daja77> the forgot them too?
[16:09] < esden> no but there was a discussion about that the day before yesterday ;)
[16:10] < daja77> oh i was not involved with that stuff ...
[16:10] < esden> daja77: be happy about that ;)
[16:10] < daja77> hehe
[16:11] < esden> I was not infolved either ... I had other things to do ;)
[16:11] < daja77> like decreasing clifford's amount of condomes ...
[16:12] < esden> no not really, but you are not very far from the truth
[16:12] < daja77> some inches?
[16:12]   daja77 hides
[16:12] < esden> daja77: some hundred km ...
[16:12] < daja77> oh so you got the pills
[16:13]   esden realizes that his perception of distances is bit disturbed by now ...
[16:13] < daja77> hehe
[16:14] < daja77> so you can visit her every day now you've got used to this
[16:14]   esden can not wait till 10C3 ;)
[16:14] < owl> 10c3...?
[16:14] < esden> argh
[16:14] < daja77> that was 1993 ...
[16:15]   esden can not wait till 20c3 ;)
[16:15] < owl> time-machine...? back to past...?
[16:15] < daja77> esden the little boy :)
[16:15] < fake> *g*
[16:16] < daja77> fake: we should send them to gentoo booth :)
[16:17] < esden> yes guys make fun of me :(
[16:17] < esden> aaaaaaaargh daja77
[16:17] < esden> that is NOT funny!!!
[16:17] < owl> esden: *har* everytime
[16:17] < owl> it _is_
[16:17] < daja77> yes...yes we do
[16:18] < daja77> esden: ok let's say debain booth :)
[16:18] < Freak> what
[16:18] < esden> that is better but I not really want to get near to the big policy brother ;)
[16:18] < Freak> did someone just say debian in #rocklinux
[16:18] < daja77> Freak: that distribution for kids, you know
[16:19] < fake> that's gentoo
[16:19] < daja77> uh yes
[16:19] < fake> debian is upper class policy jungle ;)
[16:19] < esden> daja77: you mean the politics for beginners?
[16:19] < daja77> esden: ack
[16:19] < Freak> as opposed to rock, the distribution for RENTNER
[16:19] < fake> "br0ken by a selected few" ;))
[16:20] < daja77> Freak: indeed my granny runs rock on her box
[16:20] < esden> rofl
[16:20] < fake> there are a few rocks on my ranny, possibly.
[16:20] < fake> granny*
[16:21] < Freak> die happy on mtv
[16:22] < fake> die happy on CO
[16:22]   esden waiting till coffee starts working ... *sigh*
[16:22] < Freak> CO?
[16:22] < Freak> die happy on cocain..
[16:22] < rxr> esden: in the meantime you could resent the one mail where the patch is missing ...
[16:23] < fake> cocaine intensifies (?) the impressions
[16:23] < esden> rxr: urgh?
[16:23] < rxr> esden: see the list ...
[16:23] < fake> CO is a siple suffocation with prior unconsciousness
[16:23]   daja77 could migrate his mailbox to his main machinbe to update his laptop with rock
[16:23] < Freak> i dont get it
[16:23] < esden> rxr: uuuuups
[16:24] < fake> daja77: echo $migrate: scp -r Mail mainbox:/ ?
[16:24] < daja77> yeah sth like that
[16:24] < fake> Freak: kohlenmonoxid is im moment die beliebteste methode, weil schmerzfrei, einfach zu bekommen...
[16:24] < Freak> ach kohlenmonoxid, sorry ich war nicht auf chemie eingestellt.. :)
[16:25] < daja77> Freak: bei uns stimmt die chemie nicht *vbeg*
[16:25] < esden> rxr: sent
[16:25] < Freak> daja77: heh
[16:26] < daja77> just kidding
[16:26]   fake havin' a cigarette
[16:27] < esden> fake: have fun
[16:28] < esden> hmm ... rxr is back to high productivity ...
[16:28] < esden> ok ... bad expression ... I mean he is back to applying patches
[16:29] < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
[16:30] < esden> hi blindcoder *hug*
[16:30] < blindcoder> hi esden *rehug*
[16:31] < blindcoder> esden: I hope you don't mind me using apollo as mail-relay
[16:32] < esden> blindcoder: o_O ... for spam?
[16:32] < blindcoder> esden: no, for normal E-Mail
[16:33] < esden> ohh ... then no ;)
[16:33] < blindcoder> esden: more and more ISPs block E-Mail from dial-up mail-servers, so I have to relay it somewhere and I don't see why I should pay 2.95 EUR to T-Online for it
[16:33] < blindcoder> good ^^
[16:34] < slef> does libart really need glib?
[16:34] < owl> O_o why blocking mail ???
[16:34] < blindcoder> owl: because of spam?
[16:34] < slef> looks like it does
[16:35] < slef> then why isn't it a regular dependency?
[16:35] < owl> blindcoder: hrm. but why should you pay 2.95 euro then???
[16:35] < blindcoder> owl: because T-Online wants that much for their mail-relay if you wat to use SMTP
[16:35] < blindcoder> owl: webmail is free of charge
[16:35] < daja77> blindcoder: change provide?
[16:35] < owl> O_o pink idiots...
[16:35] < blindcoder> owl: so I just relay my E-Mail over bingo
[16:36] < blindcoder> daja77: well, I use T-Online for DSL-Access because I had only two problems so far. The Mail-Relay isn't really a problem
[16:36] < blindcoder> daja77: more a nuisance
[16:36] < daja77> ic
[16:36]   blindcoder --> anime
[16:38] < slef> why doesn't libart_lgpl declare a dependency on glib22?
[16:39] < esden> hmm ... /me is imagining how it would be if the core ROCK-TK team would work together in a firm doing rock stuff ... that would provide a lot of speed in development ... *sigh*
[16:39] < rxr> slef: the dependencies are auto-dected after a package vuild
[16:39] < slef> esden: depends if they go bankrupt.  Sounds like SPoF.
[16:40] < rxr> s/vuild/build/
[16:40] < fake> owl: magenta
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[16:40] < rxr> the dependencies in the .cache file are from a reference build
[16:40] < owl> fake: magenta idiots sounds not as well as pink idiots imho ;p
[16:40] < rxr> if libart did not used glib then it is not in the dependencies ...
[16:40] < slef> rxr: can you autodetect from libraries?  Can't you explicitly declare, instead of the bodge in the gnome-2.conf script?
[16:40] < slef> rxr: I wish I could build libart without glib
[16:41] < fake> owl: pink idiots reminds me of pinky & brain ;)
[16:41] < owl> fake: pinky & brain? O_o
[16:41] < esden> pinky and the brain brain brain ....
[16:41] < fake> owl: you know.. the pinky, the pinkt, the pinky and the brain brain brain brain...
[16:42] < rxr> could the provided bashsing be done somwhere else ?
[16:42] < dennis> fake: i don't wanna blame you, but have you seen mr. hoefter (?!) right now? ;-(
[16:42] < rxr> slef: dependencies can be declared explicitly
[16:42] < owl> fake: aeh?!!! everything allright?
[16:42] < owl> dennis && fake = same company?
[16:42] < esden> urgh now I know why we use dietlibc in bootdisc target ... amazing
[16:43] < dennis> owl: not yet
[16:43] < slef> rxr: why isn't it?  Where do I report the bug?
[16:43] < owl> dennis: k.
[16:43] < rxr> slef: what do you mean with "can you autodetect from libraries?" and with "nstead of the bodge in the gnome-2.conf script?"
[16:43] < slef> rxr: libart's .conf sources glib22/gnome-2.conf, which checks for glib22 and errors if it's not installed
[16:43] < rxr> slef: hardcoded dependencies are a no do in ROCK Linux - this should only be used if they are not detectable - and in this case they must be detectable
[16:44] < rxr> what is the exact error you get?
[16:44] < rxr> slef: ah! ok
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[16:45] < rxr> cool - libart really does nto seem to need glib22 ...
[16:45] < rxr> slef: can you just rm -rf the libart_lgpl.conf file and see if it builds ?
[16:45] < rxr> the gnome-2.conf files is only a sanity check and common prefix detection ...
[16:45] < fake> dennis: no, and by the way, i am not supposed to tell you anything, to be direct...
[16:46] < fake> dennis: in other words, please stop getting on my nerves...
[16:46] < dennis> fake: ok
[16:47] < fake> dennis: i might ask tonight, i will tell you when i know more, and i will not forget it. ok?
[16:49] < dennis> fake: thanks
[16:49] < dennis> fake: the situation is just bad for me, if you know what i mean ;-)
[16:49] < slef> rxr: ok, trying
[16:51] < slef> rxr: looking good so far
[16:51] < slef> rxr: done, seems OK
[16:51]   slef would like to avoid as much gnome as possible on that system (it's for gnustep)
[16:53] < esden> argh argh argh ... mozilla is not supporting back button in web-dav!!!
[16:53] < esden> that sux!!!
[16:53] < rxr> slef: ok - fix is committed revision 1121
[16:54] < slef> rxr: tyvm from all us non-gnomers
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[16:57] < DeElsasser> hello all
[16:57] < daja77> hi DeElsasser
[16:57] < DeElsasser> hi daja77: how are you? it's a long time....
[16:58] < daja77> I am fine thx
[16:58] < daja77> and you?
[16:59] < DeElsasser> and tomorow I go in hollyday: in Bretagne
[16:59] < DeElsasser> so I 'll be back in only september
[16:59] < daja77> where in bretagne?
[16:59] < DeElsasser> Quimper
[16:59]   esden checked out a packet from subversion using a browser ... that is nice ... but the back button would be nice to work ...
[16:59] < daja77> heard of it
[17:00]   slef goes insane, pulls your leg off and throws it on the BBQ
[17:00] < DeElsasser> it's the end of the know territories ;-)
[17:00] < esden> slef: ???
[17:00] < esden> slef: because of not arch?
[17:01] < daja77> DeElsasser: /me once made holidays at the north coast of bretagne
[17:02] < DeElsasser> daja77: where?
[17:02] < esden> slef: ???
[17:03] < daja77> DeElsasser: perros-guirec
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[17:03] < DeElsasser> I was there 3 years ago
[17:04] < daja77> it is nice
[17:05] < esden> rxr: why is subversion-static depending on subversion packet?
[17:05] < DeElsasser> I love the Bretagne...
[17:06] < slef> esden: it's more the xml that does it
[17:06] < DeElsasser> the seafood ;-)
[17:06] < esden> I think we should add to the status line of patch submission [X] DEP list checked
[17:09] < DeElsasser> must go, cu all
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[17:11] < esden> aaaaaargh ... my parents go back to germany on friday !!! and not tomorrow!!!
[17:12] < owl> what's the problem with it?
[17:12] < esden> why didn't I know that earlier!!!! *cry*
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[17:12] < esden> owl: not so importaint ...
[17:12] < daja77> argl* this sucks https://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/jk-19.08.03-000/
[17:13] < esden> humm subversion-static is not compiling ...
[17:14] < esden> hehe fefe is thinking about writing diet libstdc++
[17:14] < esden> nice
[17:14] < esden> otherwise there is no C++ support in diet libc
[17:15] < daja77> cool
[17:15] < daja77> hope he doesn't add java support
[17:16] < esden> daja77: why not ... if he will create that then finally Java will get slim and fast
[17:17] < esden> slimfast ;)
[17:17] < daja77> he once stated tht he is not perverted enough to do it ...
[17:17] < rxr> esden: do you have some reference to the libstdc++ thing ?
[17:18] < rxr> esden: if depends on subversion because the .cache is a cp from the subversion package ...
[17:18] < esden> rxr: ahh ok
[17:19] < esden> rxr: do you want to see my subversion-static.err file?
[17:19] < esden> I am stuck and do not know what to do ... *ashamed*
[17:19] < slef> is there a hello package, or one recommended for it?
[17:19] < rxr> esden: yes
[17:19] < slef> s/for it/to use in its place/
[17:20] < slef> as an example/template for simple things
[17:21] < rxr> slef: the book has some explenations ...
[17:22] < rxr> and we havemisc/archive/newpackage.sh
[17:22] < rxr> s/havemisc/have misc/ ...
[17:23] < rxr> in a perfect work each package should be a good example - but some are currently quite old and could need a polish ...
[17:23] < slef> but no package of GNU hello?
[17:23] < esden> rxr: query
[17:27] < esden> hmm ... it seems that my libxml version is old ...
[17:31] < esden> rxr: please update the cksum in libxml2 from 0 to 2046806030
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[17:43] < slef> I wrote a desc file.  It downloads and builds fine, but where does that build end up?
[17:44] < slef> hrm... it wasn't fine
[17:44] < slef> half-baked install
[17:44] < slef> tat explain it
[17:45] < Christ|an> is rene rebe here in chat?
[17:47] < rxr> Christ|an: yes
[17:47] < Christ|an> who is it?
[17:47]   rxr
[17:48] < rxr> Christ|an: it is /me ;-)
[17:48] < Christ|an> hehe youv got mail
[17:50] < rxr> you already found out how to mount the partitions in the installer ?
[17:51]   esden submitted his first bug report ;)
[17:51] < Christ|an> rxr: no :(
[17:51] < Christ|an> there is no installation instruction on the rock site for drock...
[17:52] < fake> ...
[17:52] < rxr> Christ|an: the installation is now the same ...
[17:52] < esden> Christ|an: you install drock the same way you install generic rock
[17:52]   esden is slow ...
[17:53] < slef> is there any way to make my local packages not try to download from mirrors?
[17:53] < rxr> Christ|an: normally you have to specify the mountpoint after you selected to create a filesystem on that partition
[17:53] < Christ|an> "how"?
[17:53] < rxr> slef: yes write "none" into the mirror file ...
[17:53] < rxr> Christ|an: move the cursor line to the partition you want to edit - and hit enter
[17:54] < rxr> you get a menu with four entries:
[17:54] < Christ|an> and then?
[17:54] < fake> slef: echo "none" > src/Download-Mirror
[17:54] < slef> that does it for all packages, including rock ones
[17:54] < rxr> create fs
[17:54] < rxr> mount existing fs
[17:54] < slef> I'm happy to still get rock ones from mirrors
[17:54] < rxr> create swap
[17:54] < Christ|an> rxr - query?
[17:54] < fake> slef: what is the differece between local packages and rock packages?
[17:54] < rxr> use existing swap
[17:55] < rxr> Christ|an: you get this menu ?
[17:55] < slef> fake: local packages I write the desc myself and the tarball doesn't exist on the mirrors
[17:55] < rxr> slef: current only one mirror at-a-time is supported in rock
[17:55] < rxr> but we think about adding some tiny lines of code to fall back to the original location if the file is not found on the mirror ...
[17:56] < fake> slef: so, how should i know wether you wrote a package yourself?
[17:56] < Christ|an> rxr: i'm currently under windows...
[17:56] < fake> slef: i could, of course, scan the original dist tarball, or diff against subeversion.... ;)
[17:56] < rxr> Christ|an: it should be pretty straight-forward ...
[17:56] < slef> fake: the file is not on the mirror
[17:57] < fake> slef: once your patches are in the tree, they will be mirrored.
[17:57] < slef> rxr: that would be good
[17:57] < Christ|an> rxr: i install redhat on my second pc @ the moment in a few minutes i am able to start the installation and to be here in the #rock chan for questions... (query *g*)
[17:57] < fake> slef: and zou should send all your packages to have them included with rock ;))
[17:57] < slef> fake: that depends if they work; also if rock works or I am allowed to submit orphaned desc files
[17:58] < rxr> slef: the files will show up on the mirros automatically - you do not need to send any tarball ...
[17:58] < rxr> slef: if it are general useful packages we are happy to put them into a misc repository ...
[17:58] < Christ|an> rxr: you dont like queries? :=
[17:59] < slef> Christ|an: maybe someone who is afk has same questions, or others can answer if rxr goes afk
[18:00] < Christ|an> ah... well i cannot find in the rock handbook the information about how to mount after partition
[18:02] < slef> What numbers should I use on the [P] line?
[18:02] < slef> Christ|an: something like mount /dev/... /mnt, at a guess
[18:03] < slef> rxr: won't they fail with no [M]?
[18:04] < slef> Christ|an: hello
[18:05] < Christ|an> slef: hello :)
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[18:23] < rxr> slef: just add you as [M] - even if you do not actively work on it ...
[18:25] < rxr> should I move all packages in repositories with less then 4 packages into a misc repository ?
[18:26] < SMP> nooo
[18:26]   esden is also against it
[18:27] < esden> rxr: but ask others and also papa schlumpf ;)
[18:28] < rxr> I mainly think about:
[18:28] < rxr> dennis jocelyn pascal owl
[18:28] < daja77> dennis package is esden's anyway, no?
[18:29] < dennis> esden want me to maintain it
[18:29] < daja77> aha
[18:30] < slef> how do I pass a flag to only make install?
[18:30] < dennis> i will add some packages in the future i think
[18:30] < SMP> slef: set $makeopt
[18:30] < SMP> ehm
[18:30] < SMP> $makeinstopt
[18:30] < slef> SMP: ta
[18:31] < esden> you asked for work dennis ... and I provided it to you ...
[18:31] < dennis> esden: thats correctly
[18:31] < esden> dennis: if you still search for work look in flyspray there is enough to do ...
[18:31] < dennis> esden: i do
[18:32]   rxr just closed task #105
[18:34] < esden> rxr: nice
[18:34]   netrunner eats aldi-instantcurrywurst
[18:34] < esden> netrunner: YUCK
[18:34] < slef> SMP: it seemed not to call make install, from the log.  How can I see why?
[18:34] < slef> netrunner: UK?
[18:35] < daja77> netrunner: hehe have fun
[18:35] < slef> no, de, says hostmask
[18:35] < daja77> .bv :)
[18:35] < esden> netrunner: running dict ;)
[18:35] < starlord> does the current gcc(rock has latest?) contain bug fix for pentium4 or is it just in gcc's cvs?
[18:36] < netrunner> hm ... not that bad ...
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[18:37] < esden> slef: netrunner is eating an instant curry sausage
[18:37] < esden> from a store where you get everything very cheep ...
[18:37] < slef> esden: I know what a currywurst is.  I like them.  I just wondered if he was in the UK, as we have aldi too
[18:37] < netrunner> esden: there is also wuerstel in english.
[18:38] < esden> ohh
[18:38] < netrunner> slef: nope, bavaria.
[18:38] < daja77> yepp german export
[18:38] < slef> SMP: seems I have to put "install" on the end :P
[18:38] < slef> :) even
[18:38] < daja77> netrunner is not from this world ..
[18:38] < slef> netrunner: not franken? ;-)
[18:38]   esden sits currently also in .bv >_<
[18:39] < rxr> starlord: It is only in gcc CVS
[18:39] < netrunner> daja77: true, I am still green behindmy ears ;)
[18:39] < rxr> starlord: would be nice if you could get it out of it and send a patch ...
[18:39] < slef> freedom for franconia!
[18:39] < daja77> slef: hehe no he is really in the dark part of that countyr ;-)
[18:40]   esden starts crying because of daja77's statement
[18:40] < netrunner> rxr: I have tweaked the bootdisk to include an optional pcmcia-enabled ramdisk. I'll send a patch later.
[18:40]   daja77 pets esden
[18:40]   slef cheers as he gets his first application installed
[18:40] < esden> dennis: rrrrrrrrrr
[18:40] < netrunner> rxr: I also plan to work on the other boot/installation issues as I am in there anyway.
[18:40] < esden> argh
[18:40] < daja77> :)
[18:41] < esden> I hate irssi tab completion
[18:41]   daja77 too
[18:41]   netrunner selling an alpha on ebay, anyone wants one?
[18:41] < esden> netrunner: !!!!
[18:41] < esden> which id ;)
[18:41] < netrunner> esden: found it in my car :)
[18:41] < esden> netrunner: I can imagine that
[18:41] < daja77> but wtf ebay
[18:42] < rolla> netrunner: I have 2 alphas for sale on ebay along with a U10 ;)
[18:42] < dennis> is /var/opt/apache/lib/htdocs/ or /var/lib/htdocs/ better?
[18:42] < dennis> bug #40
[18:43] < esden> *cry* I need money
[18:43] < netrunner> esden: want to buy back your alpha? *g*
[18:43] < netrunner> dennis: the first is more according to fhs, iir the devmeeting c
[18:44] < esden> no I want a better one
[18:44] < rxr> dennis: please take another bug to fix - I'll implement this one in a clean way ...
[18:44] < esden> netrunner: no ... both will be used depending on where apache is being installed
[18:45] < dennis> rxr: does your comment mean i'm doing crap work? ;-)
[18:46] < esden> dennis: correct
[18:46] < rxr> nope - but from your qestion I know that I'll get a patch that will not be applied ...
[18:47] < starlord> anyone have HT enabled intel cpu,i'm new to intel cpu's,but shouldn't it look like 2 cpus in linux?
[18:47] < netrunner> haha ... the initial idea of rocklinux: redhat: "Buh!" - clifford: "Go away, or I'll replace you with a very small shellscript!"
[18:47] < starlord> and does -march=pentium4 enable also ht in gcc or do i need pass another option for it?
[18:48] < esden> netrunner: so he did it ;)
[18:48] < dennis> netrunner: that's a old t-shirt quote ;-)
[18:48] < dennis> s/a/an
[18:48] < daja77> so what
[18:49] < esden> dennis: be nice
[18:49] < esden> argh
[18:49] < esden> daja77: be nice
[18:49] < esden> *sigh*
[18:49]   daja77 is nice to esden
[18:49] < rxr> starlord: you pentium4 option for gcc does not have anything to do with HT
[18:49] < esden> daja77: o_O since when?
[18:49] < rxr> fot HT you need a recent kernel with ACPI enabled
[18:49] < daja77> hehe always
[18:49] < rxr> and if all is working correctly it looks like two CPUs - no user-space applicatoin need to be changed ...
[18:50] < esden> daja77: ohh ... good ... I did not realize that ;)
[18:50] < starlord> so app,to take use of ht only need's to have threaded?
[18:50] < starlord> and has nothing to do with compilers
[18:50] < starlord> ?
[18:50] < daja77> esden: sure you didn't notice, you paid no attention to _me_ :)
[18:51] < starlord> rxr:thanks for the info
[18:51] < esden> daja77: I do now ... since I realized that you are my type on the dev-meeting ;)
[18:52] < daja77> hehehe good boy
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[18:53] < netrunner> argl, /me getting telefonspam
[18:53] < daja77> hmm strange i don't even have your number ...
[18:53] < netrunner> esden had an dangerous loss of protein at the devmeeting *eg*
[18:54] < daja77> netrunner: you just don't like her *ggg*
[18:55] < esden> sure I had and it was fun :P ... you are only jealous
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[18:56]   rxr away
[18:56] < esden> ahh good it is a good moment to do a svn up
[18:56] < esden> ;)
[18:56] < daja77> hehe
[18:57] < netrunner> esden: btw... are you still in vienna?
[18:57] < rxr> esden: I read this!
[18:57] < esden> rxr: *G*
[18:57] < esden> netrunner: nope I am in munich now
[18:57] < netrunner> esden: found a keyboard for your server?
[18:57] < esden> I was not willing to go on clifford nerves anymore
[18:58] < esden> netrunner: sure ... I had it on the trip all the time with me ;)
[18:58] < daja77> I'd do but i have no time for it
[18:58] < esden> but I have a socond one here
[19:00] < netrunner> esden: none that fit ... at least I saw none.
[19:01] < esden> netrunner: you should have looked deeper in that box ...
[19:01] < netrunner> esden: I feared the dead corpses you are hiding there ... they tend to move inexpectedly.
[19:02] < esden> netrunner: you have cadaverfobie?
[19:02] < esden> hehe apropos the arachnofobie of clifford is funny ;)
[19:03] < netrunner> esden: oh really? what I pity I did not know it ...
[19:03] < esden> netrunner: you should have been there yesterday ... there were two spiders ... cliff was jumping around like an isnane ;)
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[19:04] < netrunner> esden: before or after the pot? he might have seen them gigantic :)
[19:04] < esden> netrunner: before
[19:06] < daja77> hmm kde-announce is quite active today
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[19:07] < esden> daja77: why? do they release another crap?
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[19:07] < daja77> yepp an object to integrate openoffice stuff
[19:08] < esden> lilo booting openoffice ;)
[19:08] < daja77> hehe
[19:09] < esden> or better in this case "KDE booting openoffice..."
[19:09] < daja77> no kparts component which can show openoffice documents, sound like bloat^3 to me
[19:09] < SMP> *ROTFL*
[19:16] < uppo> hi!
[19:16] < uppo> I am knew to rock linux
[19:16] < uppo> and I have some problems ;-)
[19:17] < uppo> my network interface do not get configured properly after boot
[19:18] < daja77> have you used stone for config?
[19:18] < uppo> to have eth0 work properly I must type the command
[19:18] < uppo> ifconfig eth0 netmask 255.255.255.0
[19:18] < uppo> deja77: yes I used stone
[19:19] < esden> uppo: you use dhcp?
[19:19] < daja77> enter the ip address in stone in that way; 192.168.1.xx/24
[19:19] < uppo> no I have a fixed ip
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[19:19] < daja77> you forgot to specify netmask that's all
[19:20] < uppo> I am looking at the various conf files.
[19:20] < uppo> where is the right place to add the netmask?
[19:20] < daja77> uppo: just do what i told you, it will work, trust me
[19:20] < uppo> daja77: using stone again?
[19:20] < daja77> the ip address field in stone, address/24
[19:21] < daja77> yes
[19:21] < uppo> ah
[19:21] < uppo> I will try
[19:26] < uppo> daja77: Yes, it works.  Thanks!
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[19:30] < daja77> np
[19:30] < esden> daja77: I think that should be stated somewhere that you need the /24
[19:31] < daja77> yeah cos I missed that too in the beginning
[19:31] < uppo> In fact there is an example
[19:31] < uppo> but it is easy to miss the "/24"
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[19:39]   esden hungry ...
[19:39] < esden> I think I go hunting
[19:39] < daja77> bears?
[19:40] < esden> a bear would be nice ;)
[19:41] < esden> ok ... cu l8er guys
[19:41] < daja77> cu esden
[19:41]   fake off
[19:42] < daja77> cu fake
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[19:50]   daja77 wants an autolart for everyone who activates vacation mail reply
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[19:52] < tcr> re all
[19:53] < uppo> After ./scripts/Update-Src; ./scripts/Build-Pkg findutils
[19:53] < uppo> I have two find (/usr/bin/find and /bin/find)
[19:53] < uppo> It is safe to delete /bin/find ?
[19:53] < tcr> is it a symbolic link?
[19:53] < uppo> no
[19:54] < tcr> cksum the same?
[19:54] < uppo> tcr: Yes
[19:55] < tcr> So it is safe to delete one
[19:55] < uppo> I think this is because something changed in findutils
[19:56] < uppo> How I can find files from old builds
[19:57] < uppo> Or how I can prevent that they gets generated?
[19:57] < SMP> mine -r the package before the new build
[19:59] < uppo> SMP: ah!
[20:00] < uppo> SMP: simple solution indeed!
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[20:19] < esden> re hi all
[20:19] < daja77> wb esden
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[20:20] < esden> ahh now I feel much better
[20:20] < daja77> how was the bear?
[20:21] < esden> tasty ;)
[20:21] < daja77> 0good
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[20:36] < netrunner> SMP: I do not think it is a good idea to mine -r findutils if you want to still use the rocklinux scripts ...
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[20:50] < SMP> netrunner: that
[20:50] < SMP> netrunner: that's another thing (and left to the clue of the reader)
[20:51] < daja77> mine -r linux24 :)
[20:51] < netrunner> daja77: you are bizarre :)
[20:52] < daja77> hehe i know
[20:52] < SMP> $ /usr/sbin/mine -q linux24
[20:52] < SMP> While reading GEM file linux24: No such file or directory
[20:52] < SMP> what's the problem with that? ;)
[20:53] < owl> SMP: just a guess: installing .gem by hand and not from cdrom&&install-system and so?
[20:53] < daja77> no difference
[20:53] < SMP> $ uname -r
[20:53] < SMP> 2.6.0-test3
[20:53] < daja77> hehe
[20:53] < daja77> SMP: try mine -r glibc23
[20:54] < SMP> . o O ( now you've got me ;> )
[20:54] < netrunner> daja77: no he'll explain that he has a pure dietlibc system :)
[20:54] < daja77> *ggg*
[20:54] < esden> daja77: he is using dietlibc for all aplications ;)
[20:54] < daja77> rofl
[20:54] < esden> netrunner: you are too fast ;)
[20:54] < SMP> I'm not _that_ perverted
[20:54] < esden> SMP: you are not? o_O
[20:55] < esden> then it is uClibc
[20:55] < SMP> perverted enough to try building cinelerra, though
[20:55] < SMP> arrrgh
[20:56] < SMP> enough of that
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[20:56] < daja77> enough of perverts, no ...
[20:57] < daja77> we are all still here
[20:57] < esden> SMP: why is there no rock packet with cinelerra?
[20:58] < SMP> because I refuse the use of heroine
[20:58] < esden> SMP: weed would be eough I think
[20:58] < daja77> esden is an expert on that ...
[20:58] < SMP> have you looked at it?
[20:59] < esden> SMP: no ... but you will tell me in a moment for sure why it is so stoned?
[21:00] < SMP> I don't think so
[21:00] < daja77> esden: don't let your karma destroyed by it
[21:00] < daja77> be destroyed
[21:01] < esden> SMP: you are mean
[21:02] < esden> argh that subversion/bdb stuff sux!
[21:02] < daja77> ack
[21:02]   daja77 fetching sth to drink
[21:03] < Freak> addict!!
[21:09] < daja77> hm?
[21:10]   daja77 addicted to lemonade ...
[21:11] < daja77> I think I'll try out my new hackers dvd
[21:14] < daja77> cu
[21:22] < esden> finally ... svn works
[21:23] < esden> but the static version seems to be broken
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[22:20] < slef> grrr, Download exits true even if it fails
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[22:24] < dfsfs> hello guys... i have a big big problem with mounting my partitions
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[22:25] < christ|an> i have go 3 partition: /dev/disc/disc0/part1 /dev/disc/disc0/part2 /dev/disc/disc0/part3
[22:25] < christ|an> how can i monut them correct?
[22:26] < christ|an> :(
[22:34] < slef> christ|an: what do you want them as?
[22:34] < christ|an> i wanna install rock
[22:34] < slef> yes, but is part1 / or /boot or something else?
[22:34] < slef> oh wait
[22:35] < slef> you'd better talk to someone who has actually managed to install from CD ;-)
[22:39] < Freak> rxr: your handbook lacks mountpoints
[22:40] < slef> How can I make the build process call configure with no options?
[22:40] < slef> Build-Pkg that is
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[22:50] < slef> set custmain, that's how
[22:50] < slef> ok rebooting to clear hardware fault
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[23:03] < netrunner> christ|an: you are in the install shell? either you mount your new root to /mnt/target or you use stone to do that.
[23:04] < Freak> lol
[23:04] < Freak> see stone does it for you
[23:05] < Freak> so I didn't even have to explain all that stuff to ya hahaha
[23:08] < daja77> huh Freak installing rock O_o
[23:08] < Freak> nah
[23:09] < Freak> just händchenhalting
[23:09] < Freak> :)
[23:09] < daja77> hehe
[23:09]   daja77 has to invest more evil power to convert Freak
[23:09] < Freak> yea, good luck then :)
[23:10] < daja77> it is hard cos you are already on the dark side
[23:11] < Freak> that is relative
[23:12] < daja77> true dat
[23:12] < daja77> from my point of view it looks horribly dark ;-)
[23:17] < rxr> re
[23:18] < daja77> wb rxr
[23:20] < daja77> this is not my day, so I am leaving you now, cu tomorrow
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[23:26] < Freak> oh, cu daja77
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[23:26] < rxr> SMP: are you awake ?
[23:29]   netrunner walking the dog.
[23:29] < rxr> (you can show up - I only want to ask non rocknet stuff ...)
[23:29] < rxr> netrunner: much fun ...
[23:29] < SMP> rxr: hehe ;-(
[23:30] < rxr> the apache task in flyspray ....
[23:30] < rxr> would it be ok for you if not only htdocs gets moved to /var/lib/apache/
[23:30] < rxr> but also:
[23:30] < SMP> rest assured, I am currently not motivated even for more important things than rocknet
[23:31] < rxr> /cgi-bin /manual /error /icons /build ?
[23:32] < SMP> I'm not the right one to ask that question
[23:33] < rxr> ouhm ..
[23:33] < SMP> first of all I don't think /var/lib is the right place in general
[23:33] < SMP> and then I don
[23:34] < SMP> and then I don't use such a directory layout myself
[23:34] < rxr> SMP: where (aside from some custom /www or /storage/www.bla.org place do you expect a default ?
[23:34] < SMP> /var/opt/apache/htdocs or /var/www/htdocs e.g. but not /var/lib
[23:34] < rxr> SMP: me neither - but on the dev-meeting and/or camp (?) we defined that /opt/apache/share/htdocs sucks - and that the FHS should be /var/lib or (int he opt installed case) /var/opt/apache/lib ...
[23:35] < rxr> the others argues that /lib/www is also not that nice - and other FHS whatever stuff ...
[23:36] < SMP> well I only have my opinion, not the perfect solution ;)
[23:37] < christ|an> how can stone mount my partitions?
[23:38] < rxr> christ|an: so you are running the bood-cd and in the inital disk selector ?
[23:38] < christ|an> i hope so :)
[23:40] < christ|an> and?
[23:40] < rxr> and you see your disk listed with it's partitions ?
[23:40] < christ|an> yes (i saw them with fdisk -l ..)
[23:41] < rxr> no - I meant you see them in stone listed in the menu (not with some external program ...)
[23:42] < christ|an> when i type "stone" at the boot promt i have got several options:
[23:42] < rxr> nope!
[23:42] < rxr> you need to fire it up using "install"
[23:42] < rxr> !
[23:42] < christ|an> 1. partition your hdd 2. part "part 1 currently not mounted
[23:42] < christ|an> 5. install
[23:43] < christ|an> install? :)
[23:43] < christ|an> really?
[23:43] < rxr> hm - normally yes - but the menu looks ok - maybe you used the right command ...
[23:44] < rxr> is the list of partitions correct? in the text here on the channel I see only one partition - do you really only have one ?
[23:44] < christ|an> no 3
[23:44] < rxr> and they are all listed in stone ?
[23:44] < christ|an> a swap, a boot and a / partition
[23:44] < christ|an> in cfdisk
[23:46] < rxr> christ|an: well most interesting is stone - not cfdisk or so ...
[23:46] < rxr> anyway
[23:46] < christ|an> where can stone tell me my partition table?
[23:47] < rxr> if you select the disc _in_side STONE your can choose a partitionizer to partitionize it - and when you select a partition node in the menu of stone you can choose what to do with it ...
[23:47] < rxr> christ|an: you pasted the menu list above - I thought you where already running STONE ...
[23:47] < rxr> if not just get to a prompt and execute "install" ...
[23:48] < christ|an> install or stone?
[23:48] < rxr> install
[23:49] < christ|an> in the stone menue?
[23:49] < rxr> christ|an: ok quit whatever stone menu you see (I think you have not the correct one)
[23:49] < rxr> and then execute "install" on the shell ...
[23:50] < christ|an> ok i will try it
[23:50] < christ|an> thx
[23:50] < christ|an> i must got offline now...
[23:50] < christ|an> thx
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[23:53] < mnemoc> re
[23:53]   mnemoc is back from death
[23:54] < netrunner> rxr: stone is fine at that moment, not install.
[23:55] < netrunner> rxr: install is just the one from coreutils.
[23:55] < netrunner> mnemoc: living dead? *fetchingforgarlic*
-!- Irrsi  Log closed Wed Aug 20 00:00:55 2003