--- Log opened Wed Aug 20 00:00:55 2003
00:01 < rxr> netrunner: ah yes right ... I do installation to seldom ...
00:01 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
00:02 < rxr> esden: arround ?
00:04 < mnemoc> hi rxr
00:05 < jsaw_> re
00:05 -!- jsaw_ is now known as jsaw
00:05 < rxr> hi jsaw 
00:06 < jsaw> hi rxr
00:06 < jsaw> hi *
00:09 < mnemoc> hi jsaw
00:09 < jsaw> hi there
00:14 < esden> ok ... now I am back
00:14 < mnemoc> hi esden 
00:14 < esden> I still feel the phone at my ear ...
00:15 < esden> rxr: ping
00:20 < jsaw> rxr: I cannot get libz.so with current config. Retrying after eliminated the current zlib files... still not.
00:21 < rxr> pong
00:21 < rxr> jsaw: yes I saw this on x86 - for some strange reason this work on ppc
00:22 < esden> rxr: what do you need from me?
00:22 < rxr> and it _is_ possible to get both out of it since this worked in the past in rock ...
00:22 < rxr> esden: I already wrote this in the mail now - I think the spellling correction you send does make it worse ...
00:22 < rxr> the package will not be built in the past but either in the present or better in the future ...
00:23 < rxr> jsaw: I take a deeper look now ..
00:23 < esden> rxr: ahh ok
00:23 * -> esden moving dietlibc patches from my old tree to the current
00:25 * netrunner goes to bed now ... need to normalize day/night rythm.
00:26 < esden> netrunner: what for?
00:26 < esden> good night netrunner 
00:27 < jsaw> rxr: I don't think, a.out is supposed to be PIC. But shared is definitely supposed to be PIC. So I still doubt, you can get both libs with it.
00:28 < rxr> jsaw: PIC only controls the way addresses and jumps are generated ...
00:28 < rxr> not wether you get a static or shared object ..
00:30 < netrunner> rxr: kiss is bloating the bootdisk beyond the limit with its 568K
00:31 < esden> we have to get the dynamic linking of dietlibc running
00:32 < esden> then it gets hopefully smaller
00:32 < rxr> netrunner: you use some old version ? when linked with dietlibc it should be < 100kB ...
00:32 < rxr> netrunner: with the old DEBUG_KISS_BLA_BLUPS hack from clifford the in-system glibc linked version was used ...
00:33 < rxr> as I wrote in my mail to the list on the RISC architecture PowerPC kiss is 96kB when linked against dietlibc - and it should be smaller on the CISC architecture x86 ...
00:34 < netrunner> rxr: yes I remember that ... but I am quite sure that it was linked against dietlibc. and I did a clean rebuilt with 1025
00:35 * netrunner wonders if busybox is dietlibc able, would nice to include it instead of some other tools ...
00:38 < netrunner> hm ... something
00:40 < netrunner> is wron here. I just rebuilt kiss and in the root/bin it has 79K ... and also in 2nd_stage/bin/kiss ... but not in initrd/bin
00:41 < netrunner> he seems to take the kiss from the host system (same md5sum)
00:42 < netrunner> rxr: your patch is broken, he takes the kiss from $root/bin/kiss, and $root is / of host there. 
00:42 < netrunner> rxr: should be ../2nd_stage/bin/kiss as all the other binaries that are copied from there.
00:44 < rxr> netrunner: ah - seem to forgot to finally fix it ...
00:44 < rxr> here kiss is 77376 w/ dietlibc and 512960 w/ glibc ...
00:44 < rxr> on x86 - for powerpc you can see the values on the list ...
00:45 < rxr> we cannot use ../2nd_stage since we do not want to have kiss on the 2nd stage - just on the first - I'll take a look how to do this cleanly after the zlib fixing ...
00:45 * netrunner stops talking to himself and goes to bed.
00:48 < rxr> jsaw: ah in the past we really build the libarary twice ...
00:48 < jsaw> rxr: I googled a bit...
00:49 < netrunner> rxr: I think on the 2nd stage it does not do that much harm ... it creates a 80MB ramdisk anyway :)
00:49 < netrunner> rxr: all other stuff is copied from 2nd_stage. but ... tell me what you did please, since I need to adopt the pcmcia stuff to the same.
00:49 < jsaw> rxr: .a libs with PIC "should" work on all platforms. But still these libs are not supposed to be PIC, as this comes with "a size/performance penalty"
00:50 < jsaw> so a make libz.a after shared build will be indeed ok (which only runs ar)
00:52 < esden> argh now I really start to need third monitor ...
00:53 < esden> thank god netrunner gave me the matrox card ;)
00:53 < rxr> jsaw: ok - done - currently test building ...
00:54 < rxr> netrunner: what info do you need ?
00:56 < Freak> random people keep msging me..
00:56 < rxr> jsaw: Committed revision 1130.
00:56 < rxr> jsaw: could you validate this zlib fix ?
00:58 * rxr off to bed ...
00:58 < rxr> cu
00:59 < esden> rxr: you could regenerate the copyright headers
00:59 < esden> ahh ... good night rxr 
01:04 < rxr> esden: I already regenerate them from time to time - or what need to be regenerated ?
01:06 < jsaw> rxr: zlib flist okay
01:08 < rxr> ok me off now
01:17 < esden> sorry ... /me was once more bit away ...
01:17 < esden> *sigh*
01:18 < esden> that is why I have to set up another monitor
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04:08 < Freak> https://linuid.dyn.bawue.de/~freak/look/vampirestory.txt
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05:05 < slef> Is gcc33 known not to build?
05:07 < esden> slef: yes
05:07 < esden> you mean that it is marked with O ?
05:07 < jsaw> yes and no (/me currently fixing for gcc33)
05:07 < esden> jsaw: what are you fixing?
05:07 < jsaw> quite a couple of packages, so they build with gcc33
05:08 < esden> you should send the patches also upstream ...
05:08 < jsaw> gimme a two more days.
05:08 < slef> blah... one app I am trying to install wants gcc33 I think, but gcc33 fails on all-target-libjava
05:09 < jsaw> what kinda app wants gcc33?
05:09 * slef looks for an older version
05:09 < slef> jsaw: objC is semi-borken in gcc 3.2
05:09 < jsaw> ahso
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07:26 < rxr> re
07:30 < jsaw> good morning
07:31 < rxr> hi jsaw !
07:32 < jsaw> hey ho
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07:55 < starlord> anyone can test if pentium4 gcc bug fix is working on gcc 3.3.1? i browsed gcc bugzilla and all the p4 reports says that it's been fixed in 3.3 branch
07:57 < jsaw> How can I test it without compiling glibc?
08:03 < starlord> https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=3013&action=view
08:03 < starlord> download it and compile with diffrent flags for example:
08:03 < starlord> g++ -mcpu=i686 -O3 -ffast-math -fmove-all-movables -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-loops -o whetstone_i686 whetstone.cpp
08:03 < starlord> run and see what are the results
08:04 < starlord> g++ -mcpu=pentium4 -O3 -ffast-math -fmove-all-movables -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-loops
08:04 < starlord> run and see what are the results
08:04 < starlord> -o whetstone_pentium4 whetstone.cpp
08:05 < starlord> i cant test it out myself,so if anyone has extra time to test it,it would be great
08:09 < jsaw> are you sure, this is the command to compile it? It think this should read march=pentium4, or?
08:10 < rxr> could someone test if strippped kernel modules work correctly ?
08:11 < starlord> hmm,isnt it almost the same,march just doesnt run in diffrent cpu but mcpu runs? well you can try march
08:12 < jsaw> which means, the code is *really* optimized for p4, and not just reordered
08:12 < starlord> yep
08:12 < jsaw> jsaw@volans:~> ./whetstone_i686 
08:12 < jsaw> whetstone took: 0.78 secs for 1282 MFLOPS (w/  math lib)
08:12 < jsaw> whetstone took: 0.15 secs for 6667 MFLOPS (w/o math lib)
08:12 < jsaw> jsaw@volans:~> ./whetstone_p4 
08:12 < jsaw> whetstone took: 0.86 secs for 1163 MFLOPS (w/  math lib)
08:12 < jsaw> whetstone took: 0.22 secs for 4545 MFLOPS (w/o math lib)
08:13 < jsaw> (with march=...)
08:13 < starlord> so guess bug is still there
08:14 < starlord> damm,have to download cvs version and try it out when i get my pc back
08:15 < starlord> and you where running 3.3.1?
08:16 < jsaw> stupid me, wait... (staying up all night is no good)
08:20 < jsaw> this is strange, the results are much worse 
08:20 < jsaw> jsaw@volans:~> ./whetstone_i686 
08:20 < jsaw> whetstone took: 1.02 secs for 980 MFLOPS (w/  math lib)
08:20 < jsaw> whetstone took: 0.38 secs for 2632 MFLOPS (w/o math lib)
08:20 < jsaw> jsaw@volans:~> ./whetstone_p4   
08:20 < jsaw> whetstone took: 1.00 secs for 1000 MFLOPS (w/  math lib)
08:20 < jsaw> whetstone took: 0.37 secs for 2703 MFLOPS (w/o math lib)
08:21 < jsaw> first one was 3.2.3
08:21 < jsaw> btw
08:22 < starlord> and this one is in 3.3.1?
08:22 < jsaw> yep.
08:24 < starlord> hmm,slower execution time but better result,blaah. when compared to each other,but much lower result when compared to 3.2.3 and 3.3.1
08:33 < starlord> hopefully cvs version is much better
08:34 * starlord is off for smoke
08:34 < jsaw> hmm...
09:18 < rxr> bootdisk fixed and improved - much fun giving it a try
09:22 < starlord> are there any plans to modify Build-Pkg to build gem files or create script to do that,does Create-Iso only do that?
09:27 < rxr> starlord: Build-Target does this
09:29 < starlord> ah,ok
09:29 < starlord> hmm,doesnt it build all the packages that target has?
09:39 < rxr> yes - and package them after the build ..
09:41 < starlord> but i need only to build one package at a time,and maybe needed deps,have to take look at it,if i get "stripped" down versio for this
09:48 < rxr> it is really simple to factor it out - I might also be interested in a build-one-package-and-create-gem-file modification
09:49 < rxr> in the past we had a Create-PkgTar or so which did this ...
09:49 < rxr> (past == pre 1.7 ..)
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09:51 < hopelessOwl> moin
09:52 < rxr> moin hopelessOwl 
09:53 < rxr> hopelessOwl: do you feel better today ?
09:53 < hopelessOwl> rxr: nope. worse
09:54 < rxr> oh - so I should immediately /ignore you ?
09:56 < hopelessOwl> nope. if i feel worse, then i'm normally not aggressive
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10:45 * hopelessOwl np: witt - eisenherz
10:45 < hopelessOwl> "eine welt ohne dich ist eine welt aus hass und schmerz. du bringst mich um mit deinem eisenherz" *sing*
10:51 < hopelessOwl> *ARGH* wtf is _that_?!!!
10:52 < hopelessOwl> !> /usr/bin/env: python: No such file or directory
10:52 < hopelessOwl> !> Configuring Subversion
10:52 < hopelessOwl> !> creating config.nice
10:52 < hopelessOwl> !> configure: Apache Portable Runtime (APR) library configu ..
10:52 < hopelessOwl> !> checking for APR... configure: error: the --with-apr par ..
10:52 < hopelessOwl> !> build directory, or an apr-config file.
10:52 < hopelessOwl> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg subversion
11:13 < tcr> Does anyone happen to know a usenet-to-mail gateway?
11:15 < hopelessOwl> someone knows a good documentation for this fscking access-programming-shit?
11:16 < tcr> Omg
11:16 < hopelessOwl> e.g. how to set "euro as currency" with c#...
11:16 < hopelessOwl> and ado.net?
11:16 * hopelessOwl feels waves of sorrow from tcr 's side
11:17 < hopelessOwl> AAAAAAAAAARGH!!! dr. klammer on my side!!! *headshot*
11:19 < hopelessOwl> .oO(he felt down from chair...)
11:19 < tcr> blindcoder | esden: ping
11:19 < tcr> Why don't you look for another job?
11:20 < hopelessOwl> tcr: because i'm in a fscking ausbildung
11:21 < hopelessOwl> and it would not make sense when i'm canceling in the 3rd of 3 years of ausbildung
11:23 < starlord> hopelessOwl: try this:https://www.c-sharpcorner.com/Database.asp
11:24 < hopelessOwl> thx.
11:26 < hopelessOwl> mnemoc: *ping* *ping* *ping*
11:26 * hopelessOwl initializing terror-ping to mnemoc 
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11:53 < rxr> the next bootdisk code commit ...
11:54 < tcr> rxr: Could you put me on the commit list, please?
11:58 < rxr> which mail address ?
11:59 < tcr> tcr at freebits dot de
12:03 < rxr> done
12:03 < tcr> Thanks
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12:15 < rxr> impressive
12:16 < rxr> I got 30 virus email in the last 30 minutes or so ....
12:16 < starlord> hah,i havent got any
12:16 < hopelessOwl> starlord: dito
12:16 < starlord> rxr:those are that SorbigF?
12:17 < rxr> starlord: I think so ...
12:17 < starlord> rxr:.pif attachments? then its SorbigF
12:18 < rxr> or .src is that work too (at least I read on heise.de ..)
12:19 < daja77> re
12:20 < daja77> 653 builds total, 443 completed fine, 210 with errors.
12:20 < daja77> *grml*
12:20 < hopelessOwl> haeh?!!!#
12:20 < rxr> daja77: oOo ..
12:21 < daja77> rt build with failing xfree ...
12:21 < rxr> 45 virus mails in the last two hours ...
12:21 < daja77> wtf
12:21 < rxr> ~100kB each 
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12:23 * rxr just freed 21MB in ~ ...
12:25 * daja77 screaming at this shitty box
12:26 < rxr> OMG
12:26 < rxr> new virus ...
12:26 < daja77> send them to some lusers
12:28 < daja77> just read this:
12:28 < daja77> < mahrenho> nicht schlecht - Sobig.F hat scheinbar in den letzten 24
12:28 < daja77>                   Stunden genauso viele Mails verschickt, wie die besten
12:28 < daja77>                   anderen Wuermer in den letzten 30 Tage
12:28 < daja77> guess it is that one
12:30 < starlord> hmm,this week has been quite busy on virus world,5 new virus or variants
12:31 < daja77> time to replace windows finally
12:32 < hopelessOwl> .oO(and begin with replacing windows, here in my company first, please)
12:32 < daja77> hehe that's your job :P
12:32 * slef is not downloading email atm... rebuild in progress
12:32 < daja77> you can't read mail while building, huh?
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12:37 < rxr> good that _I_ do not need to pay for the email traffic ...
12:40 < daja77> hehe
12:40 < daja77> my box is flooded with scum too
12:41 < slef> daja77: not from a box with no mail client, no
12:45 < daja77> boss said he'll pay me a visit later that day *grml*
12:46 < daja77> omg x bootstraping is crappy ...
12:49 < daja77> i don't get it, why it deletes half the src before building
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13:06 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
13:06 < daja77> hi blindy
13:06 < hopelessOwl> hi blindcoder 
13:06 < blindcoder> hi daja77 hi owl
13:06 < blindcoder> boy shopping is exhausting
13:07 < daja77> you buy boys *ggg*
13:07 < blindcoder> sure. especiarlly little ones :D
13:07 < daja77> someone has to carry all the stuff
13:08 < blindcoder> that's what I had Martina with me for :-)
13:09 < daja77> hehe your slave?
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13:09 < blindcoder> something like that :-)
13:09 < blindcoder> my "counselor" :-)
13:09 < daja77> troi
13:10 * daja77 notes that this is all what he combines with the word counselor
13:10 < blindcoder> "Berater"
13:10 < tcr> blindcoder: hi
13:11 < blindcoder> hi tcr
13:11 < daja77> blindcoder: i know
13:11 < daja77> ../../../../../../config/makedepend/makedepend: warning:  /usr/include/gnu/stubs
13:11 < daja77> .h:  non-portable whitespace encountered at line 7
13:11 < tcr> blindcoder: Do I need any special nfs settings for building rock? Like no_root_squash?
13:11 < daja77> nice
13:11 < blindcoder> tcr: no_root_sqaush is helpful, also increasing read and write blocks to 8192
13:12 < tcr> Ok. Still, I can't get it working however. The clients time-outs all time :-/
13:12 < blindcoder> tcr: which nfs-utils version?
13:13 < tcr> How do I figure that out?
13:13 < daja77> mine -q nfs-utils?
13:13 < tcr> 1.0.3
13:13 < blindcoder> cat $rock-src/package/base/nfs-utils/nfs-utils.desc
13:13 < daja77> poser!
13:13 < blindcoder> update to 1.0.5
13:14 < tcr> I did less /var/adm/packages/nfs-utils :P
13:14 < blindcoder> daja77: sure. I have the longer one. (command, that is)
13:14 < tcr> Why
13:14 < blindcoder> tcr: bug-fixes en masse
13:14 < tcr> Hmpf
13:19 < daja77> do you have that non portable whitespace shit too in your xfree build logs?
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13:27 < daja77> O_o seems like this failed due typos in Makefile, how come that i am the only one to stumble
13:28 < slef> xfree86 built for me yesterday
13:29 < esden> good morning everyone
13:29 < daja77> gcc: QGreeno: No such file or directory
13:29 < daja77> gcc: QWhiite.o: No such file or directory
13:29 < daja77> this is so stuid
13:29 < tcr> moin esden
13:29 < daja77> huhu esden 
13:29 < esden> *yawn*
13:29 < tcr> daja77: Try to rebuild it. That might be just a random error
13:30 < daja77> this is the third rebuild ...
13:30 < daja77> esden: *kick* wake up lazy ass!
13:30 < daja77> :)
13:30 < tcr> Hmm.
13:31 * daja77 escape further investigation via svn up ...
13:31 < esden> daja77: haeeeeehhh? *fall_asleep*
13:31 < blindcoder> hi esden 
13:32 < daja77> esden: imagine a hot blonde is waiting for you out there, so get up
13:32 < blindcoder> daja77: he prefers long-black-haired Polish girl IIRC
13:33 < daja77> blindcoder: really so you must have been really blind on the meeting ...
13:33 < blindcoder> daja77: I said _prefer_ , not _takes only_
13:33 < daja77> hmm k.
13:33 < esden> hi blindcoder 
13:34 * -> esden would currently _prefer_ to be in berlin ... that is all
13:34 < blindcoder> daja77: I'd also take a hot blonde although I prefer hot brunettes
13:34 < blindcoder> and /me needs money...
13:34 < blindcoder> today was expensive
13:34 < esden> blindcoder: what have you boughtL
13:34 < esden> ?
13:34 < blindcoder> esden: clothes and "beauty-utensils for ~300 EUR
13:35 < esden> urgh
13:35 < blindcoder> esden: "Zwoi Hosen, zwei paar Schuhe, ein Hamd (brauch aberl noch 2) und noch ein wenig kleinkram)
13:35 < esden> hmm ... ok shoes are expensive
13:35 < daja77> beauty accesoires for blindy, lol
13:36 < esden> daja77: be nice
13:36 < blindcoder> daja77: evil tongues say I need them
13:36 < daja77> they are bizarre
13:36 < esden> blindcoder: yes ... they are evil
13:36 < blindcoder> then again, I'd like to get rid of my acne myself, too
13:36 < daja77> esden: I am always nice ...
13:36 < esden> daja77: yes yes
13:36 * -> esden making coffee
13:36 < daja77> for me?
13:37 < tcr> Should I use sync or async for the exported volumne?
13:37 < esden> no ... for me ...
13:37 < blindcoder> I used async
13:37 < esden> daja77: ou are too far away
13:38 < daja77> esden: i thought you were a fast driver, 2,5h and you can be here :)
13:39 < esden> yes ... I _could_
13:39 < blindcoder> esden: be sure to be back by friday
13:40 < esden> blindcoder: yes ok
13:40 < esden> by friday my parents also get back so I have to be in IN
13:40 < blindcoder> good
13:41 < daja77> esden: as i said, you are lazy :P
13:43 * netrunne1 waking up
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13:43 < daja77> booting netrunner :)
13:43 < blindcoder> hrm
13:43 < tcr> Blah, I still get a RPC: Timed out
13:43 * blindcoder currently has a GPL-only Configuration...
13:43 < blindcoder> it's interesting to see what is missing...
13:44 < blindcoder> tcr: portmap running?
13:44 < tcr> Yeah on client and server
13:44 < daja77> blindcoder: xfree?
13:44 < tcr> log on server says:
13:44 < blindcoder> daja77: for example :)
13:45 < tcr> <date> <hostname> rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from 192.168.1.2:98 for /build (/build)
13:45 < blindcoder> hmm...
13:45 < blindcoder> sounds like a malfunctioning portmap to me
13:45 < daja77> do you have the same version on client and server
13:46 < blindcoder> of course
13:46 < blindcoder> I had installed server and client from same CD\
13:46 < daja77> blindcoder: not you
13:46 < blindcoder> oops...
13:46 * blindcoder should read the nick before answering :) *hides*
13:46 < daja77> :)
13:46 < tcr> Yes
13:47 < tcr> and I can rpcinfo -p <ip_of_server>
13:47 < daja77> can't tell apart from that nfs is crap and gives you headaches from time to time
13:47 < tcr> showmount -e <ip_of_server>:
13:48 < tcr> ./build <ip_of_client>
13:48 < daja77> which network do you use?
13:48 < tcr> eth
13:48 < daja77> which
13:48 < tcr> which?
13:48 < daja77> cables
13:49 < blindcoder> MUAHAHA
13:49 < tcr> 10mbit cross
13:49 < blindcoder> curl != GPL :D
13:49 < daja77> lol
13:49 < blindcoder> mktemp also
13:49 < daja77> slef is doomed
13:49 < slef> daja77: screw you, poochie
13:49 < slef> I just want to avoid non-free software
13:49 < daja77> whatever
13:49 < slef> not have pure GPL
13:50 < daja77> sounded different yesterday
13:50 < slef> as then even LGPL bits would be missing
13:50 < slef> maybe if you had cement in your ears it did
13:50 < daja77> what about bsd license
13:50 < blindcoder> slef: yes but there are people who want that... and who look dumb-struck when I ask them which kernel they use :D
13:50 < slef> modBSD is fine... original BSD isn't
13:50 < slef> blindcoder: huh?
13:50 < slef> original BSD is free software, but causes some fun :-/
13:51 < blindcoder> slef: well, after all there ARE binary-only things in Linux kernel IIRC
13:51 < slef> blindcoder: Are any core?  I thought it was some driver firmwares
13:52 < blindcoder> slef: I don't think any core-thingies.
13:53 * daja77 whispers nforce
13:53 < slef> hardware manufacturers are getting slowly nastier :(
13:53 < slef> daja77: what is an nforce?
13:53 < blindcoder> still, the argumentation of those people is somewhat... ridiculous...
13:53 < daja77> nvidia chipset
13:53 < daja77> with binary only drivers for linux
13:54 < slef> is that the nvidia_glx stuff?
13:54 < blindcoder> well, I like the nviida-drivers
13:54 < daja77> no this is a chipset for mainboards
13:54 < blindcoder> they are quite easy to use and they work like a charm
13:54 < daja77> blindcoder: nforce too?
13:54 < slef> nvidia_glx blew up one machine I tried it on, crashed 2 others, so I just use core nv now
13:54 < blindcoder> daja77: nvidia_kernel and nvidia_glx
13:55 < blindcoder> slef: hmm... I have no problems with it here
13:55 < daja77> which has nothing to do with nfoce :)
13:55 < blindcoder> daja77: yes
13:55 < slef> blindcoder: hope you never have to debug it.
13:55 * daja77 uses nvidia graphics cards too
13:55 < daja77> don't tell rene about it ;-)
13:55 < blindcoder> slef: the only problem I ever had was that it doesn't work with riva_fb. but with VESA it works which makes me just as happy
13:56 < tcr> I'm having a riva tnt 2 and am using riva_fb
13:56 < tcr> just atm
13:56 < slef> ever tried the early binary fasttrack drivers?
13:56 < blindcoder> fasttrack?
13:56 < slef> they were fun... put the kernel into a hard lock sometimes...
13:57 < slef> ide raid drivers
13:57 < slef> promise released some binary ones
13:57 < blindcoder> hrm well, early 2.5 also killed filesystems
13:57 < daja77> slef: first they were borken but now working fine, now ati binary drivers are borken ...
13:57 < slef> now replaced by good ones
13:58 < blindcoder> personally I don't really care much about binary-only or not. It works and it doesn't cause major screw-ups. So I'm happy ^^
13:59 < daja77> in the long run src always wins :)
14:00 < tcr> everything what's proprietary is pure crap
14:00 < blindcoder> tcr: that argumentation is screwed, sorry.
14:00 < tcr> Nope, it's so by definition
14:00 * blindcoder now silent
14:01 < tcr> Good boy :P
14:01 * blindcoder not leading a discussion on the bottom-most niveau possible
14:01 < daja77> blindcoder: yeah the wise are smiling silent
14:01 * netrunner smiles
14:01 < blindcoder> daja77: "Ein Gentleman schweigt, und geniesst. :)"
14:01 < daja77> :)
14:03 < tcr> if you translate niveu with level, I actually begun to talk on the topmost level possible
14:04 * blindcoder not giving the comment he has in his head now :D
14:06 * slef wonders if tcr is a dyslexic real-time clock
14:07 < tcr> Certainly not
14:08 < tcr> Fucking nfs... tcpdump reveals that the server doesn't any packets back to the client
14:08 < tcr> +send
14:09 < tcr> Hm, I already cleared hosts.deny and hosts.allow
14:12 < netrunner> tcr: allowed your subnet in the exports file?
14:13 < tcr> not explicitely
14:13 * blindcoder gone
14:13 < netrunner> tcr: what does the server say? log/messages ...
14:14 < tcr> <tcr> <date> <hostname> rpc.mountd: authenticated mount request from 192.168.1.2:98 for /build (/build)
14:15 < tcr> I have "/build 192.168.1.2(options)" in my exports file
14:16 < netrunner> tcr: that should do it ... is nfsd running? ... do you have restrictive iptables settings?
14:17 < esden> ahh I love it that Build tools is no more taking so long...
14:17 * -> esden hugs virtually Clifford for speeding it up ;)
14:17 < netrunner> damnit ... I forgot to empty the wastewater tank in the camper ... :/
14:18 < tcr> is it normal that exportfs -ra takes quite a time?
14:22 < tcr> netrunner: ps aux | grep nfsd gives root 332 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SW 13:44 [nfsd]
14:22 < esden> ok clifford is alive ;)
14:22 < tcr> netrunner: I haven't ever touched iptables, to went sure I did a iptables --flush already
14:22 < esden> hi netrunner 
14:24 < esden> can somebody explain me wtf is the SVID standard?
14:25 < tcr> Yo
14:25 < tcr> that's the system V interface definition
14:26 < esden> o_O so why does the dietlibc not implement the getw function? It is in the SVID standard ...
14:27 * -> esden kicks fefe
14:28 < tcr> Hmpf, it can't be normal that exportfs takes >2min? It stays all time aSleep in poll()
14:51 < rolla> re
14:51 < daja77> re
14:51 < daja77> puh meeting is over
14:52 < hopelessOwl> what a pitty. hope you enjoyed it
14:52 < daja77> sure i did
14:52 < hopelessOwl> *vbeg*
14:53 < daja77> they like my realtime rocklinux ;)
14:53 < hopelessOwl> hrm
14:53 < esden> humm ... I hope I will not get killed because I copied two functions from the Glibc to the dietlibc
14:53 < daja77> it is somehow cool if boss says he likes my work
14:54 < daja77> esden: die!
14:54 < daja77> :)
14:54 < hopelessOwl> let's exchange the boss
14:54 < daja77> hopelessOwl: no way
14:54 * -> esden falling dead
14:54 * netrunner finally sells ownerless alpha
14:54 < hopelessOwl> daja77: why not? don't like to search all the day for infos about .ARG-crap?
14:55 * daja77 neither :P
14:56 < esden> weeee I fixed findutils ...
14:56 * daja77 gives esden a cookie
14:57 < hopelessOwl> eh! /me wants one too
14:57 < esden> thanks daja77 ;)
14:57 < esden> hopelessOwl: and where is the reason for giving you a cookie?
14:57 * daja77 searching for the box from last week and gives owl a cookie from there
14:57 < esden> daja77: *GG*
14:58 < hopelessOwl> esden: because i will bite someone when /me 's hunger isn't "gestilled" with food
14:58 * daja77 is far enough
14:58 < esden> daja77: /me too
14:59 < hopelessOwl> *har* far enough != helps
14:59 < daja77> but I was near owl on monday ...
15:00 < hopelessOwl> oh. what a pitty. if you would have been even more near /me then i would have been able to kick ya
15:00 * daja77 stayed overnight at fake's
15:01 < esden> daja77: at fake's??? poor boy ;)
15:01 < daja77> hehe why
15:01 < hopelessOwl> O_o wtst is not as far away as ingl. is
15:01 < daja77> :)
15:01 < esden> dunno ... perhups because fake is bizarre?
15:02 < daja77> well i slept in a seperate room ...
15:02 < hopelessOwl> *lol* 
15:02 < esden> argh argh argh ...
15:02 < hopelessOwl> esden: ?
15:02 < daja77> esden: ?
15:02 < esden> curl is fscking around now >_<
15:02 < daja77> curl sucks, say it with me
15:03 < netrunner> hm ... has anybody brought my power multiplier from vienna?
15:03 < netrunner> daja77: that is it's job
15:04 < daja77> hmm
15:04 * tcr is __really__ confused now
15:05 < daja77> d'oh Download is broken
15:05 < tcr> examing tcpdump's out a bit further shows the following flow:
15:05 < tcr> client:some_port -> server:portmapper
15:05 < tcr> server:portmapper->client_someport
15:05 < tcr> ...
15:05 < tcr> client:some_port -> server:mountd
15:05 < tcr> client:some_port -> server:mountd
15:05 < tcr> client:some_port -> server:mountd
15:06 < daja77> rxr: PING
15:06 < tcr> server:mountd -> client:some_different_port
15:06 < esden> ahh ok ... curly tryed to build also a shared library ... that is correct that it is not working ;)
15:06 < tcr> Why the heck does the server respond to another port?
15:07 < esden> argh argh ... once more someone is unable to write correct configure scripts???
15:08 < tcr> Omg, lol! I'm so fucking stupid!
15:09 < daja77> go on
15:10 < tcr> I forgot to delete the route through the internet gateway
15:10 < esden> ok ... in this case someone wrote the curl.conf file in a wrong way ...
15:10 < tcr> since I'm using a cross cable
15:11 < tcr> Who wants to kick into my ass? It's for free today
15:11 < hopelessOwl> backup-file doesn't exist, then you should copy the blank.mdb 
15:11 * daja77 raises his hand
15:12 < tcr> go on, daja77
15:12 < hopelessOwl> afaöagiojh.k r<edgö aiog stupid mouse!!! 
15:12 < tcr> But only 1x
15:12 * daja77 kicks tcr twice in his butt
15:12 < daja77> I'd even pay for the second kick ;-)
15:12 < tcr> Ouch
15:14 < daja77> has someone tested download since the changes?
15:14 < hopelessOwl> Finished downloading 11158 bytes in 1.754 seconds (6361.460 bytes/sec).
15:14 < hopelessOwl> WARNING: Unkown file extension: download/x11/ghostscript/pdf_sec.ps
15:14 < hopelessOwl> cksum-test (raw): download/x11/ghostscript/pdf_sec.ps
15:14 < hopelessOwl> Cksum ERROR: download/x11/ghostscript/pdf_sec.ps.cksum-err (2159331958)
15:14 < hopelessOwl> wtf?
15:14 * rxr has done Task #85 ...
15:15 < rxr> hopelessOwl: is "wtf" the only thing you can comment ?
15:15 < hopelessOwl> rxr: yes. 
15:15 < hopelessOwl> why should i use other comments?
15:16 < daja77> rxr: the Download script is unable to scan for mirrors 
15:16 < daja77> oh no not this crap discussion again
15:16 < rxr> hopelessOwl: this was a rhetoric question ...
15:16 < daja77> hopelessOwl: you could impress us with your superior intellect ...
15:16 < hopelessOwl> rxr: well
15:17 < rxr> daja77: you mean after my modifications ?
15:17 < daja77> yes
15:17 < daja77> rev 1137
15:17 < hopelessOwl> daja77: to impress someone with superior intellect, you should have a brain. and i'm not owning such a device
15:17 < daja77> we know
15:18 < daja77> I'd fix it, just not sure if download-errors should move to download as well?
15:18 < hopelessOwl> well, why do you want me to impress you know, if you already know? might you forgot that? these are the first signs for alzheimer, my dear friend
15:18 < rxr> daja77: what is the exact problem - here it seems to work ...
15:19 < daja77> hopelessOwl: could you shut up please, we have to work
15:19 < hopelessOwl> daja77: well. i have to work, too. and?
15:19 < daja77> Downloading download/x11/mkttfontdir/mkttfontdir.tar.gz ...
15:19 < daja77> INFO: Auto-detecting best mirror ...
15:19 < daja77> INFO: Downloading mirror-list from www.rocklinux.net.
15:19 < daja77> curl: (7) socket error: 111
15:19 < daja77> scripts/Download: line 733: src/Download-Mirror-List: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
15:19 < daja77> INFO: No Mirror Found!
15:19 < rxr> hopelessOwl: the difference seems to be we make progress on ROCK Liinux and you still search for .net stuff ....
15:20 < hopelessOwl> rxr: well. you cannot blame me for bad documentation. and: i'm also continueing with the fscking .crap stuff - slow but i guess faster than rock development
15:20 < rxr> daja77: maybe wrong permissions or so - just works here ...
15:21 < rxr> I deleted all the state files and tried again ...
15:21 * rxr *lol*ing on the floor ...
15:21 < tcr> esden: still there?
15:22 < hopelessOwl> rxr: is it comfortable on the floor? 
15:22 < tcr> Or has anyone else done a cluster build? rxr? daja77?
15:22 < rxr> no but that was such a good joke that felt from the chair ...
15:22 < hopelessOwl> tcr: blindcoder 
15:22 < tcr> He's away
15:23 < hopelessOwl> rxr: well. then enjoy it as long as you can - might the next joke will cause a broken neck or so, when you fall down from the chair
15:23 < daja77> rxr: she'll rule the world in two days while we are still making such slow progress on rock *rofl*
15:23 < rxr> nope - when I get too annoyed of you i'll ignore you again ...
15:25 < tcr> must go now
15:25 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EABA0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ninety percent of everything is crap.")
15:25 < hopelessOwl> daja77: sure. you make progress - and already have lots of errors while building... and guess about 1 year after planned release date there will be no stable rock...
15:25 < netrunner> daja77: the mirror list has moved to misc/ iirc ... maybe you have an outdated download script?
15:25 < daja77> after svn up, don't think so
15:25 < rxr> netrunner: the list is still in src ...
15:25 < hopelessOwl> rxr: yes. like you ignored some of my patches. np. so why should i work any longer for or with rock?
15:26 < daja77> guess the net was fscked up again
15:26 < netrunner> daja77: well, do you have the src/DOWNLAOD-MIRROR-LIST ?
15:27 < daja77> hopelessOwl: I am really sorry for you that you can't see progress in rock
15:27 < esden> now I am avalable ...
15:27 < esden> true: ?
15:27 < daja77> *yes* mirror detection starting up again
15:27 < rxr> mom
15:28 < esden> uups
15:28 < netrunner> esden: false= ?
15:28 < esden> I hate that completion
15:28 < daja77> hehe
15:28 * netrunner hugs esden
15:28 < daja77> esden: ack, xchat tab comletion is better
15:29 < daja77> the only thing that's better on xchat
15:29 < esden> daja77: but I will not use clickibunti ...
15:29 * daja77 neither
15:29 < esden> ok ... curl fixed now too
15:30 < hopelessOwl> <-- off
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15:31 < daja77> lol
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15:35 < daja77> esden: maybe we should copy xchat tab completion and paste it in irssi ;-)
15:35 < esden> daja77: perhups I will do that
15:36 * -> esden hungry
15:37 < daja77> poor bears
15:38 * daja77 notes that daniel repo is confusing him
15:38 < esden> hehe ;)
15:39 < esden> it is sooo good that my name is not so common in germany ;)
15:39 < daja77> it would be peter here ...
15:40 < esden> that is still different to piotr
15:40 < esden> ok ... I get a shower now and go hunting ... cu l8er
15:40 < daja77> the sound yes
15:41 < daja77> but pjotr == peter in german
15:41 < daja77> have fun
15:41 < esden> i know
15:41 < daja77> and pierre in france ;-)
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15:43 < daja77> hi eLgino 
15:43 < eLgino> have rocklinux a ports-tree or something else?
15:44 < eLgino> hi
15:44 < eLgino> darf man hier deutsch schreibn?
15:44 < rxr> eLgino: yes - our package repositories are like ports trees
15:44 < rxr> eLgino: LANG=le is recommended ...
15:44 < daja77> en
15:45 < rxr> yes s/le/en/ ;-) sorrs
15:45 < rxr> argh sorr
15:45 < rxr> well - i give up ... ;-)
15:45 < daja77> lol you try dvorak now?
15:46 < rxr> nope - me just typing on a rs6k and iBook in parallel ...
15:46 < daja77> ic
15:46 < rxr> which did not worked out quite well ....
15:47 < netrunner> wonderfull. now the diagnostics utility from fujitsu tells in 5 chars what I explained to them in a full log. argl.
15:48 < daja77> netrunner: guess you are talking too much
15:48 < daja77> ;)
15:48 < netrunner> daja77: that says you :)
15:48 < daja77> yes...yes I do
15:48 < esden> rxr: is bootdisc target using findutils? 
15:49 < rxr> oehm
15:49 < esden> shouldn't it be also included?
15:49 * daja77 notes that esden eats quick
15:49 < esden> no I took only a shower by now
15:49 < rxr> esden: it is included
15:49 < esden> rxr: when have you compiled bootdisc target the last time?
15:49 < rxr> netrunner: write down the code - and the next time you simply send the drive with the old error return code ? ;-)
15:50 < rxr> esden: last night
15:50 < netrunner> rxr: If I see the same error, yes :) but now I have ibm and fujitsu blacklisted.
15:50 < esden> o_O
15:50 < daja77> esden: so you now smell better than your food
15:51 < esden> rxr: did findutils build?
15:51 * daja77 hides
15:51 < netrunner> but maybe I am only stressing the drives to much with continuously building rock :)
15:51 < rxr> netrunner: yet IBM (now hitachi global storage ...) is also blacklisted here 
15:51 < rxr> esden: yes error count: 0
15:51 < esden> that is impossible!!!
15:51 < rxr> esden: why?
15:51 < netrunner> hm ... I should make a screenshot of the error message ...
15:52 < daja77> strange thought blacklist contains all storage manufacturers
15:52 * netrunner taking out digicam
15:52 < esden> because findutils are broken under dietlibc ... they need getw and putw and it is not included in dietlibc
15:52 < netrunner> daja77: that's what I fear, yes.
15:52 < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        42605 Aug 20 05:53 build/install-2.0.0-rc1-x86-pentium-mmx-32-bootdisk-expert/root/var/adm/logs/5-findutils.log
15:52 < esden> hmpf
15:52 < rxr> Error logs from install-2.0.0-rc1-x86-pentium-mmx-32-bootdisk-expert:
15:52 < rxr> 160 builds total, 160 completed fine, 0 with errors.
15:53 < esden> aaaaaahhhh
15:53 < esden> it is built in stage 5
15:53 < rxr> export ROCKCFG_DIETLIBC_findutils='0'
15:53 < esden> hehe ... ok 
15:53 < esden> it is built with glibc
15:53 < netrunner> what sense does it make to build the bootdisk target with optimisation?
15:53 < daja77> cool that it is fixed anyway
15:54 < esden> now I fixed findutils for dietlibc so it the export can be removed ... but before I send the patch I have to eat something otherwise I will drop dead
15:54 < esden> cu l8er guys
15:55 < daja77> cu esden 
15:55 < daja77> even of you get killed for your patch ;-)
15:57 < netrunner> esden: come by for a pizza, and get tf your stuff!! :)
15:57 < esden> netrunner: I do not know your address ...
15:58 < netrunner> esden: https://waterworld.dyndns.org/wiki/index.php?page=ImPressum
15:59 < netrunner> esden: but I have to leave here at 1700 ... maybe we'll do it tomorrow?
15:59 < netrunner> esden: or be fast :)
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16:14 * -> esden back home ... 
16:14 < esden> netrunner: I will come by tomorrow ... 
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16:14 < esden> I have to remove some stuff from my car before I go to you 
16:15 < netrunner> esden: *g*
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16:21 < daja77> esden has to remove your comptuters before coming to you ...
16:22 < daja77> why i am thinking such stuff when esden is around ...
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16:24 < daja77> hehehe netrunner mentioned in doc 
16:24 < rxr> freshmeat announcement for -camp (since now the ISO files are on the server ...)
16:25 < rxr> done
16:25 < daja77> cool
16:25 < daja77> when should i start with rc1 *vbeg*
16:27 < daja77> brb
16:33 < esden> daja77: because you are bizarre
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17:02 < blindcoder> hi  hi and rehi
17:03 < daja77> esden: hm?
17:04 < daja77> ah ok 
17:04 < esden> argh
17:04 < esden> argh 
17:04 < esden> argh
17:04 < blindcoder> daja77: did he now drive off to Berlin?
17:04 < blindcoder> hehe :-)
17:04 * -> esden is getting insane
17:04 < daja77> we see
17:04 < daja77> blindcoder: hm?
17:04 < blindcoder> esden: getting? you _are_
17:05 < esden> bauetuhaonteuhaosneuthaoeuntahouentoaeuhoanstuhaountoaheutnaoehu argl
17:05 * daja77 not from berlin
17:05 < daja77> esden: eat that cookie and shut up
17:05 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD958F196.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
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17:05 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi again
17:06 < daja77> :)
17:06 < blindcoder> that's timing, my connection was terminated right now
17:06 < esden> daja77: is that cookie a special cookie?
17:06 < esden> if yes then I take it
17:06 < daja77> yes it is
17:06 * -> esden needs something to chill a bit
17:06 < daja77> filled with valium
17:06 < blindcoder> esden: then go shopping
17:06 < esden> ahh that is good daja77 
17:07 < daja77> blindcoder: your conn dropped cos of esden's screams
17:07 < esden> blindcoder: shopping in Leibzig ;)
17:07 < netrunner> oh, alan cox retired?
17:07 < esden> netrunner: o_O
17:07 < daja77> huh
17:08 < netrunner>  /.
17:08 < blindcoder> daja77: I see...
17:08 < blindcoder> esden: WTF is in Leipzig?
17:08 < netrunner> blindcoder: that blonde I bet :)
17:08 < blindcoder> everyone keeps talking about Leipzig... WTF _is_ there?
17:08 < daja77> blindcoder: you can buy cheap drugs there
17:09 * netrunner off skating.
17:09 < blindcoder> hrm... only that? I thought there'd be something interesting...
17:10 < daja77> yepp nice city
17:11 < esden> netrunner: no ... there are cheep drugs ;)
17:11 < esden> and it is on the way to berlin ;)
17:12 < daja77> The 2.2 tree needs a new maintainer, someone who can spend their entire
17:12 < daja77> life refusing patches, being ignored by the mainstream (because 2.2 is
17:12 < daja77> boring) and by vendors (who don't ship 2.2 any more). 
17:12 < esden> just like rocklinux 1.4 ;)
17:12 < daja77> hehehe
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17:13 * blindcoder now off to his date
17:13 < daja77> blindcoder: good luck
17:13 < esden> good luck blindcoder 
17:13 < daja77> esden is invited to stop by at my place of he likes
17:15 < esden> thanks daja ... I will remember that
17:15 < daja77> :)
17:16 < daja77> guess i'd even clean the kitchen before
17:20 < esden> uh oh
17:21 < daja77> it is a mess atm ...
17:21 < esden> rxr: ping
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17:31 < esden> hi Mike1 !
17:31 < Mike1> hello.
17:31 < daja77> moin Mike1 
17:31 < esden> *hug*
17:31 < Mike1> greetings esden and daja77
17:31 < esden> how are you?
17:31 < Mike1> I'm ok thanks, and you?
17:31 < esden> god bless you Mike1 sbtw ;)
17:31 * daja77 just thought how boring life is when Mike1 entered the stage ;-)
17:31 < esden> Mike1: I am still alive ... ;)
17:32 < Mike1> hehe good to know
17:32 < daja77> .oO esden speaking like owl
17:32 < Mike1> daja77: do i make your life boring ?
17:32 < daja77> nope you ended that
17:32 < esden> daja77: because I really could feel better ...
17:32 < Mike1> daja77: good :)
17:32 < Mike1> esden: if it makes you feel any better i feel sad today today
17:32 < Mike1> today too. 
17:32 < daja77> why
17:33 < esden> Mike1: that is not making me feel better ... 
17:33 < Mike1> that is something i will tell today, but tomorrow i will.
17:33 < daja77> esden: dope?
17:33 < esden> daja77: ???
17:33 < daja77> could make you feel better, no?
17:34 < esden> daja77: not really ...
17:34 < Mike1> esden, daja77 look into my personal info at the devs gallery you might find an insignificant detail
17:34 < esden> o_O
17:34 < Mike1> daja77: he needs a woman 
17:35 < daja77> Mike1: you sort of found one ...
17:35 < daja77> s/you/he
17:35 < Mike1> explain..
17:35 < esden> daja77: but she is far away!!! GRRR
17:35 < esden> daja77: explain it to him ... I am not in the mood to talk about that
17:35 < daja77> esden: it is not my fault
17:35 < Mike1> esden: ?
17:36 < esden> daja77: I know
17:36 < daja77> Mike1: you are for PR?
17:36 < Mike1> hey hey wtf?
17:37 < daja77> public realations is on your task list
17:37 < Mike1> daja77: no...
17:37 < Mike1> see my birth date...
17:37 * daja77 so damn stupid
17:37 < daja77> happy birthday Miguel
17:38 < Mike1> thank you 
17:38 < Mike1> tomorrow its blindy's bday
17:38 < daja77> may be resulted that i had no idea which date we have today
17:38 < esden> Mike1: happy birthday !!!!
17:38 < esden> urgh ... I have to create a cronjob reminding me of that ...
17:39 < Mike1> daja77: do not worried, not even my mother remembered it was my bday.. this is why i feel so damn sad today
17:39 * daja77 just knew it is wednesday .oO
17:39 < Mike1> thanks esden
17:39 < Freak> https://www.hatley.org/photolog/archives/000378.html
17:39 < daja77> Mike1: this is indeed sad
17:40 < Mike1> daja77: well that again makes my hate for a lot of things stringer
17:40 < Mike1> stronger*
17:40 < daja77> oh don't want to enrage you
17:41 < daja77> Freak!
17:41 < Mike1> daja77: no worries, i am fine
17:42 < Mike1> daja77: just today isn't anymore a good day for me
17:42 < daja77> Mike1: be happy that you are so young
17:42 < daja77> hm?
17:42 < daja77> anything worse happened
17:43 < Mike1> daja77: no just the fact that not a single person remebers that it was my bday..
17:43 < daja77> remember is good, I didn't know before ...
17:44 * daja77 takes away the cookies from esden and gives them to Mike1 
17:44 < Mike1> lol thank you
17:45 * daja77 notes that he managed to forget his own birthday some years ago
17:46 < Mike1> daja77: well..
17:46 < daja77> guess i want to forget my birthday this year
17:46 < Mike1> lets talk about something else, birthdays suck
17:47 < daja77> ack
17:49 < daja77> let's celebrate that you have a decent connection now ;-)
17:49 < Mike1> hehe yeah
17:49 * Mike1 makes the dance of the joy
17:49 < Mike1> :)
17:49 * daja77 dances with Mike1 
17:50 < Mike1> esden: join us?
17:50 < Mike1> daja77: i think esden needs to refresh :)
17:50 < daja77> kill -SIGHUP esden
17:51 < Mike1> daja77: relace kill with your water pistol :)
17:51 < daja77> hehe
17:51 < daja77> esden suffers cos he merged glibc code into dietlibc ...
17:52 < Mike1> esden: you did that? 
17:52 * Mike1 wonders if esden lost his mind...
17:53 < esden> sigh ...
17:53 < esden> you are not nice
17:53 < Mike1> esden: just kidding, but seriously why have you done such thing?
17:53 < daja77> oh I am in the wrong mode then
17:55 < esden> Mike1: yes I have ... 
17:55 < esden> but I have not submitted it anywhere yet
17:57 < daja77> guess there is no chance to cheer him up today
17:57 < esden> daja77: ack
17:59 < Mike1> ?
17:59 < Mike1> cheer who?
17:59 < esden> daja77: or better ... _you_ can not cheer me up ;)
18:00 < daja77> that is not nice ...
18:00 < esden> daja77: you can try ;)
18:00 < Mike1> yes daja77try to "cheer" esden up :)
18:01 < Freak> daja77?
18:01 < Mike1> kaerF elloH :)
18:01 < Mike1> olleH :)
18:01 < daja77> Freak: what's up?
18:02 < Freak> <daja77> Freak!
18:02 < Mike1> daja77: isn't it obvious? the sky :)
18:02 < daja77> :P
18:02 < daja77> Freak: just the short form of hello ;-)
18:03 < Freak> Mike1: haha
18:03 < Freak> daja77: mmhh..
18:03 < Mike1> :)
18:03 < daja77> I am so excited everytime you come in, you know, so ...
18:04 < daja77> you are all sad cos alan cox puts down his work on kernel, that's it
18:04 < Freak> I did not technically "come in"
18:04 < daja77> but?
18:06 < Mike1> daja77: alan cox what????
18:06 < daja77> yepp read /.
18:08 < Freak> huh
18:09 < Mike1> daja77: link please
18:09 < Freak> https://developers.slashdot.org/developers/03/08/20/1331205.shtml?tid=106&tid=185
18:09 < Mike1> brb i need something to eat
18:10 < Freak> guys, what is MBA?
18:10 < daja77> https://kerneltrap.org/node/view/759
18:10 < daja77> Freak: guess it is master degree
18:10 < Freak> hum
18:11 < Freak> hey somebody reading kerneltrap :)
18:11 < Freak> uh wait
18:11 < Freak> its the link on /.
18:11 < daja77> oh just followwed /. link
18:11 < Freak> :) I almost thought
18:11 < daja77> hehe :)
18:12 * daja77 now driving home
18:12 < daja77> cu
18:13 < Freak> du
18:13 < Freak> doh
18:38 < Freak> I once was using some program to analyze my apache logfiles and output some html and graphics.. but I forgot the name.. anyone?
18:39 < Freak> must have been webalizer
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18:41 * rxr shortly away
18:42 < rxr> esden: could you post me a reference to the diet libstdc++ you said fefe might start?
18:42 < rxr> thanks - cu
18:42 < esden> rxr: could you put photos online
18:42 < esden> from the dev meeting?
18:42 < esden> rxr: I will forward you the thread ...
18:43 < esden> there is no online archive IIRC
18:58 * uppo still has many problems with his first rock linux installation
18:58 < uppo> I got the disk full :(
18:59 < uppo> I would like to delete all files in /usr/src/rock-src/download that are unuseful
19:00 < uppo> which is the best way?
19:02 * Freak is getting to like stinky cheese
19:03 < Freak> at least this one..
19:05 < esden> uppo: you first of all should have downloaded with -required
19:05 < esden> or have you done it?
19:07 < esden> the next thing would be to run ./scripts/Download -list-unknown | cut -d " " -f3 | xargs rm
19:07 < uppo> hem, perhaps no
19:08 < esden> but to delete files that are unneeded is not possible IIRC ... because all downloaded files may be usefull
19:09 < uppo> Many files are listed with -list-unknown
19:09 < uppo> example: Unknown file: download/x86/lilo/lilo-22.5.5.tar.bz2
19:09 < uppo> I need lilo, I think...
19:10 < uppo> my target is drock
19:10 < esden> please do "ls download/x86/lilo/"
19:10 < esden> you will most likely find two versions of lilo in there
19:11 < uppo> I already erased with  ./scripts/Download -list-unknown | cut -d " " -f3 | xargs rm
19:11 < esden> ok
19:11 < uppo> now download/x86/lilo/ is empty
19:11 < uppo> now I have 500MB of free disk
19:12 < uppo> du | sort -n
19:12 < uppo> 756069  ./download
19:12 < esden> humm ...
19:13 < esden> then you probably updated the ROCK source without running Download afterwords
19:13 < uppo> ah
19:16 * uppo is trying to free some space with mine -r
19:20 < uppo> how 'Download -required' decide which sources have to be downloaded?
19:20 < uppo> does it depend only on the target distribution?
19:21 < uppo> for instance, I do not want rfc!
19:22 < dennis_> uppo: look in your mirror list in ./download/
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19:25 < uppo> am I free to delete entries in ./download/INDEX ??
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19:32 * uppo going to eat soon
19:32 < n00kie> Enjoy :)
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19:57 < christian> I have got the following problem: after a cool rock installation last night i tried to configure my x-server. i have got the x server running (and kde looks great however). but when i want so choose "run xf86config" in stones xconfiguration i get the following error: "/usr/sbin/stone : line 1: command not found" why?
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20:22 < christian> re
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20:30 < esden> re hi all
20:32 < rxr> re
20:44 < rxr> wow - this was a very successfull day ROCK Linux code committing-wise ...
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21:08 < netrunner> re
21:08 < esden> hmm ... it seems that I am pretty near to getting the first packet to compile with my patched gcc 
21:08 * -> esden happy
21:12 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
21:12 < owl> hi blindcoder 
21:12 < blindcoder> hi owl
21:16 < esden> weeeeeeeeee binutils built in stage 2 in dietlibctarget without using diet warpper !!!!!
21:16 < esden> *jumparound*
21:16 < blindcoder> that's good for you esden
21:16 < esden> yes ... it is
21:18 < Aard> esden: ever tried to link nfs-utils against dietlibc?
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21:18 < esden> Aard: nope
21:18 < esden> I am happy that I got beyond stage 1 for now
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21:20 < Aard> fuck
21:20 < Aard> I have problems with mountd because it uses pathconf()
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21:37 < n00kie> Austria is leading the soccer game vs. costa rica :)
21:38 < daja77> hehehe
21:38 < blindcoder> that will amuse clifford and piss off mike :D
21:40 < n00kie> hehe
21:43 < daja77> rxr: here?
21:45 * daja77 hates hw problems
21:46 < n00kie> daja77: What happenedß
21:50 < esden> hehe ... gcc3 compiled now too ;)
21:51 < daja77> xsane says i/o error on my sister' computer, on mine the same model works like a charm
21:52 < daja77> only thing i can see with strace that the read on the dev is blocked but dunno why
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21:52 < blindcoder> wouldn't that imply an error on the mainboard? or the parallel bport on it?
21:54 * blindcoder goes dying
21:54 < daja77> usb controller that's what i thought too, but it already had worked with rh8 ...
21:54 < daja77> blindcoder: sleep well
21:55 < esden> argh ... coreutils are now fscking around ... *sigh*
21:55 < esden> fix fix
21:56 < daja77> esden <-- huge workload 
21:57 < daja77> btw good to know that my scanner works (without any additional work)
21:57 < esden> daja77: but I am really near to get a complete dietlibc target build
21:57 < esden> finally after two years ;)
21:57 < esden> or even more
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21:57 < daja77> cool
21:58 < daja77> btw we missed to drink together ...
22:02 < daja77> anyway /me watching movies
22:02 < daja77> cu
22:04 < n00kie> wee
22:04 < n00kie> 2:0 for Austria 
22:04 < n00kie> :)
22:04 < esden> argh ... everyone is leaving >_<
22:04 * netrunner needs another antiallergicum ... this one makes me sleep all day long :(
22:05 < netrunner> esden: gimme beer!
22:05 < esden> netrunner: come here then you get beer
22:05 < esden> I spend you one
22:05 < netrunner> esden: you have some? *g*
22:05 < esden> in Tri Buehne
22:06 < netrunner> esden: ? where are you?
22:06 < esden> I only have to go out of my door to get there ;)
22:06 < esden> netrunner: in munich ... in studentenstadt
22:06 < esden> hehe ... coreutils built now too
22:07 < esden> now bison ... 
22:07 < netrunner> esden: 0,5h .
22:07 * netrunner off
22:07 < esden> hehe ;)
22:11 < esden> Aard: ping
22:11 < Aard> esden: ?
22:12 < esden> Aard: could you send me your patch to perl?
22:12 < esden> you have it running under dietlibc IIRC
22:15 < Aard> esden: compiles without patch. 
22:15 < Aard> only thing you need to change is the libm -- use fdlibm
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22:16 < esden> hmm ... ok 
22:16 < esden> thanks
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22:17 < esden> humm strange ... coreutils just like bison hang when they try to build in the doc directory
22:19 < netrunner> esden: would you mind if I'd bring my dog? he looks at me so desperatedly 
22:23 < netrunner> grmbl ... he seems gone. 
22:24 < netrunner> something for the stats: netrunner is talking to himself again
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22:27 < esden> netrunner: sure you can bring your dog
22:27 < esden> humm
22:27 < esden> now is netrunner gone ;)
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22:30 < tcr> re all
22:32 * Freak wonders when christian will decide to stay
22:32 * christian is testing :)
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22:37 < n00kie> wee
22:37 < n00kie> Austria won against CR :)
22:38 < rolla> ?
22:38 < n00kie> soccer
22:39 < rolla> I know that 
22:39 < rolla> I just hadn't seen anything on the match
22:39 < rolla> england 2 crotacia 0
22:40 < n00kie> austria 2, costa rica 2
22:40 < n00kie> austria 2, costa rica 0
22:40 < n00kie> eer
22:40 < rolla> wow
22:41 < rolla> :)
22:41 < rolla> where is mike when you need to bug him
22:41 < n00kie> lol
22:42 < n00kie> I think mike isn't interessted in soccer
22:42 < n00kie> that game
22:42 < n00kie> where 20 people run after a dumb ball
22:42 < n00kie> and 2 guys in the goals
22:42 < rolla> never say such a thing
22:42 < n00kie> which like, that the ball hits them
22:42 < rolla> the beutiful game
22:42 < n00kie> lol
22:42 < n00kie> Well
22:42 < n00kie> I don't like it :)
22:43 < n00kie> But I have nothing against 
22:43 < rolla> :(
22:43 < rolla> I find it one of the best games in the world
22:43 < dennis> i think there _must_ be a game to entertain people who haven't learnd anything ;-)
22:44 < n00kie> lol dennis 
22:44 < rolla> if you feel that way
22:44 < dennis> rolla: just kidding
22:45 < rolla> noone in linux seems to like fussball
22:45 < n00kie> 'cause it's sport
22:45 < n00kie> well
22:45 < dennis> is there a ncurses based thingy called "soccer"? ;-)
22:45 < n00kie> I like beach volleyball :)
22:46 < rolla> n00kie: so it is proving that geeks don't like/do sport?
22:46 < n00kie> Not all
22:46 < n00kie> but most (-;
22:47 < n00kie> I do sports
22:47 < rolla> %-)
22:47 < dennis> n00kie: which one?
22:48 < n00kie> Swimming, Running, "Turmspringen", Diving
22:48 < n00kie> sit ups ;)
22:48 < n00kie> :)
22:49 < dennis> cool
22:50 < n00kie> I do it only cause I am to dick
22:50 < n00kie> err, fat
22:51 < dennis> hmm, the poor water at "turmspringen" ;-)
22:51 < n00kie> :/
22:52 < daja77> re
22:52 < n00kie> Welcome back, daja77 :)
22:52 < daja77> thx n00kie 
22:52 < dennis> wb daja77 
22:52 < daja77> lol n00kie arguing with rolla about soccer 
22:53 < rolla> football
22:53 < daja77> oh thought football is sth different in america
22:54 < rolla> That games does not exist in my world :)
22:54 < daja77> hehe
22:54 < tcr> rolla: I play soccers, but I don't generally like watching it in tv
22:54 < rolla> bunch of fat babys in pads
22:54 < rolla> rugby is better
22:55 * daja77 notes that he misses the beer flamewars with armijn
22:55 < rolla> :)
22:55 < rxr> esden: thanks for the mail!
22:55 < rolla> daja77: I think you will find that I like more world sport than american sport
22:56 < daja77> rolla: ic
22:56 < tcr> what's world sport anyway? soccers, tennis?
22:56 < tcr> Biking?
22:56 < n00kie> beach volleyball
22:56 < rolla> football rugby 
22:56 < rolla> cricket
22:56 < daja77> anything olympic
22:56 < daja77> lol
22:56 < tcr> cricket, rugby?
22:56 < rolla> daja77: nope I can't stand basketball
22:56 < n00kie> Chess
22:56 < tcr> rolla: that's absolutely infamous here
22:57 < daja77> battle chess, yeah
22:57 < rolla> what basketball?
22:57 < tcr> I find formel1 quite cool... there's a technical aspect too ;)
22:57 < daja77> no cricket
22:57 < tcr> rolla: no, rugby and cricket
22:58 < rolla> why?
22:58 < daja77> cos nobody plays it here
22:58 < daja77> outside the commonwealth ;-)
22:58 < tcr> Here in germany, the order of most popular sports would be: soccers, formel1, tennis, biking (esp. tour-de-france), dtm
22:58 < tcr> boxing
22:58 < rolla> ach so
22:59 < n00kie> formel 1
22:59 < n00kie> lol
22:59 < rolla> daja77: the whole of asia plays cricket
22:59 < n00kie> I don't think it's a sport
22:59 < rolla> n00kie: it is
22:59 < tcr> n00kie: Why not, please?
22:59 < rolla> and so is WRC
23:00 < n00kie> well tcr
23:00 < n00kie> I think sports
23:00 < n00kie> Should be done "manually"
23:00 < rolla> hmm
23:00 < tcr> formel1 takes very much of physical energy
23:00 < daja77> rolla: ok haven't noticed so far ...
23:00 < rolla> daja77: ?
23:01 < esden> how many more headers does this fscking util-linux need !!!
23:01 < esden> *sigh*
23:01 * daja77 should have listened to the bbc sports news more carefully
23:01 < rolla> :)
23:01 < daja77> cool tons of updates for rock today
23:02 < daja77> in fact i didn't listen cos there were talking about cricket ...
23:02 < rolla> daja77: it is a good game
23:02 < daja77> and were complaining all the time that australia is better than england
23:02 < rolla> daja77: that does get old listening
23:02 < rolla> to that
23:03 < daja77> i once knew the rules ...
23:03 < rolla> :)
23:03 < n00kie> apropos
23:03 < rolla> there are rules???!!??
23:03 < n00kie> rolla: Powerstations up again?
23:03 < daja77> hehe
23:03 < daja77> rolla isn't from the east ;-)
23:03 < rolla> n00kie: did not effect me
23:03 < n00kie> mm
23:03 < rolla> daja77: it got to the midwest as well
23:03 < rolla> not not this far south
23:03 < daja77> oh, mighty windoze worms
23:04 < rolla> yes I fight those everyday
23:04 < daja77> shutting down windoze instead of powerplants sounds sane to me
23:04 < rolla> oh well I am off talk to you later
23:04 < daja77> cu rolla 
23:05 < n00kie> Bye rolla 
23:05 < rolla> by
23:11 < rxr> cool - near me a IBM PowerPC designed for AIX just booted up a ROCK LInux ... 1.3.11 ...
23:11 < daja77> hehe
23:14 < rxr> hm - now I could cluster a 800Mhz iBook, a 366Mhz rs6k and a 100Mhz IBM PReP (Carolina) ...
23:16 < dennis> anyone tried to use the ati drivers for radeon 9xxx cards ?
23:17 < rxr> 2d should work just fine ...
23:17 < jsaw_> re
23:17 < jsaw_> hi all
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23:17 < daja77> hi jsaw 
23:17 < rxr> and which art dirver btw. the open-source or the ati's binary ones ...
23:17 < rxr> hi jsaw 
23:18 < dennis> rxr: i'm using some physical tools for simulating orbitals, so it would be nice to have 3d ;-)
23:18 < dennis> the ati binary
23:20 < dennis> the card works just fine in 2d but 3d would be better ...for e.g. celestia
23:25 < daja77> good that I haven't followed the ati hype
23:26 < rxr> cool on this old page:
23:26 < rxr> https://www.uuhome.de/df/ibm40p/linux-on-ibm-rs6000-40p-howto.html#hardware3.3
23:26 < rxr> rock linux is the first mentioned powerpc distribution ;-)!
23:28 < daja77> haven't seen that, only needs to be filled everywhere
23:29 < daja77> ok section 8.2
23:29 < rxr> not everywhere ... ,-) I got some useful information out of it ..
23:29 < daja77> needs to be filled ;-)
23:30 < daja77> rxr: maybe the should just link the handbook there
23:35 < daja77> rxr: btw your fix seems to let sylpheed compile, but complains about non working gpg at runtime
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23:38 * daja77 just cleaning up for new build
23:41 < rxr> daja77: I also already saw this - this should mostly be of cosmetic nature
23:41 < rxr> fill a flyspray task - I'll take a look as soon as more importnat stuff is done ...
23:41 < rxr> (or maybe someone else want to improve it ...)
23:43 < mnemoc> how much hd do i need for a download -all?
23:43 < daja77> omg rocklinux.net shows directory index via https
23:46 < SMP> whoops
23:47 < rxr> mnemoc: 1.7 GB ...
23:47 < SMP> rxr: I had edited my devsd.d/alsa - I'll just close #116
23:47 < mnemoc> thanks rxr
23:47 < rxr> daja77: do yo mail clifford about the https issue ! ? !
23:47 < rxr> SMP: do you got the full address ?
23:48 < SMP> rxr: (although I'm not completely happy with the current devfsd.d/alsa ... )
23:48 < SMP> rxr: yes, got it
23:48 < daja77> rxr: yes 
23:53 < daja77> rxr: mail sent
23:54 -!- dennis [~dennis@pD950ED73.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Lost terminal")
23:59 < rxr> https://linuxtoday.com/developer/2003082001326OSCYNT
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