--- Log opened Thu Aug 21 00:00:13 2003
00:01 < rxr> ok - me off to bed - cu
00:02 * daja77 too
00:02 < daja77> cu
00:02 < tcr> gn8
00:03 < mnemoc> gn8 
00:12 < rxr> cool  - we are mentioned in the iX article about the Linux Tag
00:12 < rxr> (I contected them to get it into it ...)
00:12 < rxr> very short but at least: page 11 in issue 9:
00:13 < rxr> "In die Kategorie der weniger bekannten Vertreter fällt ROCK Linux (www.rocklinux.org). Es arbeitet mit einem Packetsystem ähnlich den BSD Ports Collection und verügt ein eigenes Build-System.
00:15 < rxr> In diesem lassen sich für eine Distribution, Compiler Sicherheitsmerkmale oder Optimierungen auswählen, und je nach Zielsystem übernimmt Rock Linux in einer Sandbox das automatische Kompilieren."
00:15 < rxr> ;-) !!!!
00:15 < rxr> cook - we are nearly the only Software Project mentioned in the article !
00:18 < netrunner> *yawn*
00:20 * -> esden kicking netrunner 
00:20 < esden> do not get asleep
00:20 < netrunner> *ouch*
00:20 * netrunner strikes back!
00:20 < esden> *argh*
00:20 < esden> rxr: that is cool
00:21 < esden> hihi util-linux has been built
00:24 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux
00:25 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EABF10.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ninety percent of everything is crap.")
00:25 < esden> dietlibctarget is in the 5th stage !!!!! WEEEEEEEEE
00:25 < esden> *jumparound*
00:25 * netrunner watching esden annoyed
00:28 < esden> o_O
00:29 -!- Nebukadneza is now known as Nebu^klo
00:30 -!- Nebu^klo is now known as nebukadneza
00:30 -!- nebukadneza is now known as Nebukadneza
00:35 * netrunner is threatened by esden with warm coke
00:38 < esden> *gg*
00:49 < Freak> lol
00:49 < Freak> call the cops!!!
00:49 < Freak> human rights violations!!
00:49 < netrunner> https://www.heise.de/ct/Redaktion/cm/Thumpmobile_Zapper.html
00:50 < Freak> ALT
00:50 < Freak> *g
00:50 < Freak> https://linuid.dyn.bawue.de/~freak/guckmal/bulle.jpg
00:50 < netrunner> for esden, he didn't know it
00:50 < Freak> uh mkay accepted
00:51 < esden> thank you netrunner ...
00:52 < Freak> :o)
01:18 < netrunner> omg .. rocklinux is sooo outdated!
01:31 -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-132.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting")
02:11 -!- true [~true@aszlig.net] has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))
02:12 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@2001:8d8:80:11:0:0:0:4d] has quit (Client Quit)
02:18 -!- aszlig [~aszlig@2001:8d8:80:11:0:0:0:4d] has joined #rocklinux
02:28 < esden> finally net-tools do also build
02:50 -!- dennis [~dennis@pD950ED73.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
02:50 < esden> humm
02:57 < esden> nice ... dietlibc target compiled through ... only 6 packets still fail ...
02:57 < esden> where two are only disabled ...
02:57 < esden> very good
03:05 -!- dennis [~dennis@pD950ED73.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving")
03:22 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has quit ("I like core dumps")
03:38 -!- n00kie_ [~n00kie@M291P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
03:48 < esden> ok ... now I have the first dietlibc iso ... it is not yet bootable and does not contain a kernel because of a strange gcc error but most packets are there now!
03:52 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M374P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Client Quit)
04:03 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090B7F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
04:04 -!- rolla [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-233.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
04:06 -!- rolla [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-233.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #rocklinux
04:09 -!- kasc [~kasc@p5090B246.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
04:37 -!- Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: jsaw, daja77, owl, jvc, blindcoder, kasc, rxr, aszlig, snyke, SMP
04:39 -!- Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: rolla, netrunner, praenti, n00kie_, cytrinox, Freak, mistik1
04:41 -!- Netsplit over, joins: snyke, aszlig, n00kie_, mistik1, SMP, daja77, owl, jvc, rxr, jsaw (+7 more)
04:42 -!- Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mistik1
04:42 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mistik1
04:43 -!- Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mistik1
04:44 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mistik1
05:12 -!- Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mistik1
05:12 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mistik1
05:18 -!- Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mistik1
05:19 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mistik1
05:21 -!- Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mistik1
05:22 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mistik1
06:54 -!- d3mian [~demian@196.40.64.242] has joined #rocklinux
06:54 -!- d3mian is now known as Awacs
06:55 < Awacs> hi
07:18 -!- Awacs is now known as Voran
07:18 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.4.104] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
07:18 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.4.104] has joined #rocklinux
07:26 -!- Voran [~demian@196.40.64.242] has quit ("leaving")
07:34 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-22.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux
07:34 < holyolli> moin
07:41 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-22.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit ("X-Chat: I see your X-Chat is as big as mine!")
08:11 -!- starlord [~mika@dsl10030.japo.fi] has joined #rocklinux
08:11 < starlord> good morning all
08:13 < starlord> hmm,Emerge-Pkg doesnt work correctly?
08:13 < starlord> i did Emerge-Pkg kdebase31 and when it got to X compile it fails because of libmng missing.
08:13 < starlord> or does it check deps from other packages other than kdebase?
09:07 < blindcoder> hmm
09:07 < blindcoder> should I?
09:07 < blindcoder> or should I not?
09:25 -!- uppo [~uppo@150.217.33.200] has joined #rocklinux
09:34 -!- uppo [~uppo@150.217.33.200] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting")
09:35 -!- uppo [~uppo@150.217.33.200] has joined #rocklinux
09:46 -!- true [~true@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux
09:53 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.)
09:53 -!- owl__ [~owl@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux
09:53 -!- owl [~owl@62.245.251.33] has joined #rocklinux
09:53 < owl> moin
09:59 < blindcoder> moin moin
09:59 < owl> hi blindcoder 
10:00 < owl> https://coredistro.sourceforge.net/
10:02 < owl> concept sounds sweeeeeeeet... as nice as pure and simple LFS
10:39 < rxr> re
10:40 < rxr> starlord: is ues scripts/dep_db.txt - and this files shoudl already contain rerusive dependencies ...
10:40 < blindcoder> moin rxr
10:43 < starlord> rxr:hmm,i guess Create-DepDB recreates it? have to check it out when i get back to home
10:43 < starlord> but it did fail,other packages failed too,but i cant remeber was it because of missing dep or something else
10:46 < Aard> moin
10:46 < owl> https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,262203,00.html << rofl
10:46 < owl> hi Aard 
10:51 -!- owl [~owl@62.245.251.33] has quit ("reboot || new kernel")
10:54 -!- owl [~owl@62.245.251.33] has joined #rocklinux
10:54 < owl> rehi
10:55 < blindcoder> wb
10:56 < owl> thx
10:59 < blindcoder> owl: maybe he saw "The Truth" in his dreams and couldn't stop laughing
11:00 < owl> the truth? O_o
11:00 < blindcoder> yes, the truth behind everything.
11:00 < owl> omfg
11:01 < blindcoder> The reason why that poor guy in THGTTG was separated from the rest of the world by three whole armies
11:01 < owl> THGTTG???
11:01 < blindcoder> The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
11:01 < owl> O_o
11:02 < blindcoder> yes.
11:03 < true> https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,262206,00.html <<rofl #2
11:11 * true afk - driving home...
11:12 < blindcoder> from time to time symlink has better flamewars than /.
11:13 * blindcoder --> lunch
11:14 < owl> hoeh?
11:23 -!- Schokoprinz [~martin@217.115.74.14] has joined #rocklinux
11:24 -!- Schokoprinz is now known as PBONeo
11:26 -!- owl [~owl@62.245.251.33] has quit ("rebooting again")
11:33 -!- owl [~owl@62.245.251.33] has joined #rocklinux
11:33 < owl> rehi
11:33 < starlord> owl:what kernel you have?
11:34 < owl> starlord: Linux ra 2.4.21 #8 Thu Aug 21 11:21:15 UTC 2003 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux
11:34 < owl> just had some problems and fixed them now :p 
11:34 < starlord> ah,any experience's in 2.6?
11:34 < owl> starlord: nope
11:35 -!- n00kie_ [~n00kie@M291P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Client Quit)
11:36 < PBONeo> is it correct you could put questions about linux here? :)
11:38 < owl> .oO(!!!red alert!!!)
11:38 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M289P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
11:40 < netrunner> moin
11:41 < starlord> damm this cake tastes good
11:41 < owl> fuck!!! it's not nice, to have different versions of one package...
11:42 < starlord> btw.there no remove-pkg script?
11:44 < owl> starlord: where? in rock?
11:44 < starlord> yep
11:44 < starlord> in rock i mean
11:45 < netrunner> starlord: mine -r
11:45 < starlord> ok,i thoight mine is only for .gem files
11:47 -!- PBONeo [~martin@217.115.74.14] has quit ()
11:47 < daja77> moin
11:48 < netrunner> starlord: mine -r queries the package db of the system 
11:48 < netrunner> hi daja77 
11:49 < starlord> hmm,any plans to add someof the scripted features to mine,for example emerge-pkg?
11:50 < owl> emerge-pkg works...??? really?????ß
11:50 < daja77> starlord there is an Emerge-Pkg script
11:50 < starlord> yeah,but that feature to include in mine? so all the package install/remove/update could be done by one app
11:51 < daja77> there will be a rocket called tool for that in rocklinux 2.1
11:51 < owl> daja77: try ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg gnumeric12
11:51 < starlord> yep,i noticed it somewhere,might be in bug tracking or somewhere
11:52 < daja77> yepp
11:52 < owl> at least for me it doesn't resolv the dependenies
11:52 < daja77> owl: then file a task in flyspray or write to ml
11:52 < owl> daja77: nope
11:52 < starlord> owl:neither it did for me,i did Emerge-Pkg -dep kdebase31 last night and it halted on X because of missing libmng
11:52 < daja77> huh, why
11:53 < owl> had much of those unresolved deps
11:53 < daja77> starlord: would you be so kind and file this in flyspray
11:54 < starlord> daja77:i will later today,i'm at work and i got other unresolved deps when i did it,and i want to look why it did.
11:54 < daja77> owl: how do you think bugs will be eliminated you arenot even willing to report them
11:54 < daja77> starlord: ok
11:54 < owl> daja77: i'm reporting them on Irc.
11:55 < daja77> not all developers are on irc
11:55 < owl> daja77: and wtf it builds now bash...??? i'm already having bash-2.05 on this machine...
11:55 < daja77> lalala
11:55 < owl> daja77: ?
11:56 < owl> what are you "lalala"ing? please not such music on morning
11:57 < daja77> again please report errors to the official places, so that they can be fixed faster
11:57 < owl> hrmpf.
11:58 < owl> *argh* is there somewhere a samba.conf in rock's /etc?
11:58 < owl> aaaargh. i'm blind
12:00 < rxr> daja77: what bug was owl rumouring about again?
12:01 < daja77> problems with dep resolving with scripts/Emerge-Pkg
12:02 < rxr> starlord: owl__ : please report any dep problem you notice to me, the list or the bug-tracking system - thanks!
12:02 < owl> aaaargh! why does gnumeric12 need gcc2 ...??? 
12:02 < starlord> rxr:hold your horses,i will
12:02 < rxr> owl: because you still have not RTFM ...
12:03 < owl> rxr: ??? where should it be reported?
12:03 < rxr> owl: that it depends on gcc2? Nowhere - it is a feature.
12:03 < rxr> starlord: xfree86 does not seem to depend on libmng - are you sure it was xfree86 ?
12:04 < starlord> rxr:i'll check when i get back home
12:04 < starlord> rxr:i got few other failed packages when i tryed to build kdebase
12:05 < starlord> rxr:and cant remember was it xfree that needed libmng or something else
12:05 < starlord> and why the script doesnt stop building if someother package failed? on me it just tryed to build next package in queue
12:06 < owl> ack.
12:06 < owl> here too
12:07 < netrunner> starlord: there is a config option that says  [ ]    Abort when a package-build fails 
12:08 < netrunner> starlord: you therefore wanted it not to abort since you configured it for this behaviour.
12:08 * netrunner -> lunch
12:09 < starlord> hmm,thats true,i forgot to turn it on,my bad
12:13 -!- LocalHero [LocalHero@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has joined #rocklinux
12:13 < LocalHero> Hi all
12:13 < daja77> hey LocalHero 
12:13 < LocalHero> daja77, whazzup?
12:13 < owl> hi LocalHero 
12:13 < LocalHero> rxr, you there?
12:14 < LocalHero> owl, hi hi :)
12:14 < daja77> oh I just waiting to get awake ;-)
12:14 < LocalHero> daja77, haha, oki, i have been awake for a long time. I think its a new record this summer. I got up 08:00 :)
12:14 < daja77> wow
12:16 < daja77> strange webmin isn't on the mirrors still
12:17 < LocalHero> daja77, webmin? Mirror?
12:18 -!- Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mistik1
12:18 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mistik1
12:18 < daja77> the webmin package is not on our mirros, yes
12:18 < daja77> not that i miss it much
12:21 < owl> .oO(i like samba)
12:22 < daja77> hm?
12:23 < daja77> because of their statement against sco?
12:23 < owl> daja77: huh? they did? O_o i didn't know
12:23 < daja77> yepp rxr pointed me to https://linuxtoday.com/developer/2003082001326OSCYNT
12:23 < owl> just because it allows me to connect to my windows machine here in company... to copy data and so :p
12:24 < daja77> hehe ok
12:25 < daja77> ok new generic build kicked, off to work
12:25 < daja77> cu
12:27 < owl> bye
12:36 -!- starlord [~mika@dsl10030.japo.fi] has quit ("work")
12:39 < rxr> hi LocalHero 
12:39 < rxr> daja77: I do not have the tarball - and I already mailed the maintainer about this ...
12:39 < rxr> daja77: if you find the package on the net let me know ..
12:41 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M289P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Client Quit)
12:41 < netrunner> rxr: well, it is on sf, no? https://belnet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/sourceforge/webadmin/webmin-1.100.tar.gz
12:44 * blindcoder back
12:44 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
12:45 < owl> wb blindy
12:45 < blindcoder> thx
12:47 * blindcoder writing some more DVDs
12:50 * owl downloading debian-isos
13:03 -!- Nebukadnezea [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-132.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux
13:06 < owl> hi Nebukadnezea 
13:06 < Nebukadnezea> moin owl
13:09 -!- netrunne1 [~netrunner@p50802CF8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux
13:17 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA9EA0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
13:19 < rxr> netrunner: jups - just that the usual mirror we used in ROCK is not alive - I now replaced all sf download tags with the umn mirror ...
13:20 -!- netrunner [~netrunner@p5080290C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
13:22 < tcr> Hmm, cluster build failed due to a segmentation fault while building 0-binutils
13:22 < jsaw> rxr: no, only dl.sf.net please! this will send u to one of these automatically.
13:24 < rxr> jsaw: oh - cool I did not know that ...
13:27 < rxr> jsaw: done
13:33 * tcr thinks that we need a infrastructure for catching random build errors
13:34 < rxr> tcr: what ?
13:38 < tcr> I think everybody here suffered from random build errors at least one time
13:38 < jsaw> rxr: btw, ftp.gnome.org does the same thing now.
13:39 < jsaw> rxr: or at least I have never seen before, that this server is in sweden?
13:41 < jsaw> hello everybody (sorry, when I wake up, I forget all my manners)
13:42 < owl> hi jsaw *g*
13:43 < jsaw> hallole
13:46 < owl> *sigh*
13:49 < jsaw> owl: world weariness?
13:49 < owl> hm.. more or less
13:50 -!- uppo [~uppo@150.217.33.200] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
13:51 -!- Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mistik1
13:51 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mistik1
14:00 * netrunne1 takes a break from cleaning the bathroom
14:01 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner
14:02 -!- uppo [~uppo@150.217.33.200] has joined #rocklinux
14:03 < uppo> how may I know the approximated installed size of a package before building?
14:03 -!- mistik1 [mistik1@2001:618:400:0:0:0:44c0:2046] has quit (Remote closed the connection)
14:04 < blindcoder> looking it up in the .cache file
14:05 < jsaw> brb
14:06 -!- mistik1 [~mistik1@2001:618:400:0:0:0:44c0:2046] has joined #rocklinux
14:08 < uppo> blindcoder: ah, thanks
14:21 < daja77> re
14:21 < SMP> building glibc with NPTL does _SO_ not work ...
14:22 < LocalHero> got to go cya
14:22 < daja77> bye LocalHero 
14:22 -!- LocalHero [LocalHero@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has quit ()
14:24 < daja77> weeee x builds again at work
14:24 < daja77> so pentium3 optimization is to blame
14:30 < daja77> rxr: huh, package is availabe via sf, just one click on their hp
14:30 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M289P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
14:35 < jsaw> re
14:35 -!- cytrinox [~cytrinox@p213.54.144.60.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit ("Client exiting")
14:36 < daja77> huhu jsaw 
14:36 < jsaw> hi daja77 
14:37 -!- starlord [~starlord@dsl10040.japo.fi] has joined #rocklinux
14:38 < daja77> 656 builds total, 367 completed fine, 3 with errors.
14:38 < daja77> wooohooo
14:40 < jsaw> 901 builds total, 845 completed fine, 56 with errors.
14:40 < jsaw> (gcc33)
14:40 < tcr> Hmm
14:41 < jsaw> yeah, it'll take a while when ppl will adapt to C99 and other changes in the compiler..
14:41 < daja77> not bad for gcc33
14:42 < jsaw> oh, it's been about 100, then I disabled kde (fsck, they should read stroutstrup), and another 20-30, where fixes are in prep
14:42 < daja77> ;-)
14:43 < esden> hi all
14:43 < daja77> huhu esden 
14:43 < blindcoder> hi esden
14:43 < daja77> hi blindcoder 
14:43 < jsaw> daja77: well the gnome-mm guys are doing the same stupid stuff, trying to inherit classes with private ctor/dtor...
14:44 < blindcoder> hi daja77 
14:45 * daja77 has to study the c++ evilness again ...
14:46 < jsaw> daja77: c++ evilness ?
14:48 < daja77> oh you like it ... sorry
14:51 < rxr> jsaw: could you know stroustroup ;-) Congrats!
14:51 < rxr> s/could/cool/ ...
14:51 < jsaw> daja77: well, more or less. If I do C++, I usually only do "C with classes" programming :-]. But those errors they made are too basic in terms of C++-syntax.
14:51 < jsaw> rxr: I have the book in my shelve. I started C++ with it.
14:52 < daja77> jsaw: c with classes is what i wrote too, but it sucks
14:52 < jsaw> Admitted.
14:52 < rxr> it can be better then C stand-alone...
14:53 < daja77> hmm maybe
14:53 < daja77> rxr: the webmin tarball is available
14:53 < SMP> (looking at flyspray I don't see an -rc1 anywhere near ... )
14:53 < jsaw> Just look into gtk, how they do their OO...
14:53 < jsaw> uuuhhh
14:54 * daja77 now off to clt6 meeting
14:54 < rxr> SMP: I look at https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rocknet/trunk and miss files ... ;-)
14:54 < jsaw> rxr: I
14:55 < SMP> rxr: that's another problem - but a smaller one
14:55 < esden> rxr: where should I upload the most complete dietlibc target iso I had since years?
14:55 < jsaw> rxr: I'm getting a version of rockplug ready for release, guess it'll be ready sunday.
14:55 < rxr> jsaw: nice
14:55 < rxr> esden: could you put it somewhere temp. so I can grab it ?
14:55 < SMP> jsaw: last week it was horribly broken - was it fixed?
14:56 * SMP still running some rockplug from July, 24th
14:57 < jsaw> SMP: I can't remember, that I left a non-working system in trunk last week. This week is different - I had to work on finishing my phd and thus reduce development ...
14:57 < esden> rxr: I have to check if I can upload it on my server ...
14:57 < esden> rxr: I have small traffic problems there
14:57 < esden> rxr: but I will see what I can do
14:58 < rxr> esden: what is the size of it? Is it installable ?
14:59 < esden> rxr: no not yet installable because I have no installdisk build yet ... 
14:59 < esden> rxr: I think I wait till I have the installdisc so one can install it ...
15:00 < esden> the other problem is that the kernel has some problems to build on a dietlibc system
15:00 < esden> gcc is bailing out with a very confusing error
15:00 < esden> syntax error in assembler o_O
15:01 < tcr> Muhaha
15:01 < tcr> I get a kernel oops when I try to untar linux-2.4.21.tar.bz2
15:02 < tcr> now the machine hangs
15:02 < tcr> blubb
15:02 < jsaw> memtest? put pc in fridge? what else...
15:04 < SMP> by the way - do we have a working memtest again?
15:04 < SMP> mine from two weeks ago was still broken
15:12 < uppo> Update-System builds packages that are not installed also
15:13 < uppo> How can I avoid this?
15:14 < rolla> re
15:19 < uppo> I cannot install a full drock since I do not have enogh disk space
15:20 < uppo> so I removed some packages
15:21 < uppo> but if I use Update-System the packages I removed get rebuilded
15:21 < owl> vim config/default/packages << uppo 
15:23 < uppo> Is config/default/packages updated with Update-Src ?
15:24 < owl> you did a ./scripts/Config before?
15:24 < jsaw> uppo: I had happended twice in the last weeks, that the config files got reset due to an update of some of the config sources. Check it.
15:24 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA9EA0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ninety percent of everything is crap.")
15:25 < uppo> owl: yes but I didn't find a section about packages
15:25 < owl> uppo: but you choose "generic"?
15:26 < owl> guess the ./scripts/update-system is based on the config/default/*
15:26 < owl> then you have to edit the packages there
15:27 < uppo> no I have target "desktop"
15:27 < owl> the same there...
15:27 < owl> or you can choose "expert" ... and add/remove packages there in custom packages or so
15:29 < uppo> owl: ahh! Ok.
15:31 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-22.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux
15:31 < holyolli> moin
15:32 < owl> hi holyolli 
15:32 < holyolli> hi owl
15:32 < rolla> re holyolli 
15:32 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M289P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Client Quit)
15:33 < holyolli> hi rolla
15:33 < rolla> how is flying going?
15:34 < holyolli> rolla: not that much...i'm now back in Germany and havin' (more ore less) fun with theory ;-)
15:35 < holyolli> but now i can finally continue my work on rock alpha, because I
15:35 < holyolli> have now again hardware access
15:37 < esden> holyolli: have you bought another alpha?
15:37 < netrunner> esden: dietlibc build finished?
15:38 < holyolli> esden: no, but my only alpha is now 6000 miles nearer ;-)
15:38 < holyolli> esden: hi, btw.
15:39 < esden> netrunner: yes ... but because rxr "fixed" zlib so that it also builds shared lib it broke
15:40 < esden> I will fix it in a moment when I cleaned up my build disc a bit
15:42 < holyolli> can anybody tell me the new svn url for updating the source?
15:42 < esden> holyolli: that is good ... 
15:42 < esden> holyolli: I am nearly ready with getting dietlibc target working ... after that I will also continue alpha stuff
15:42 < starlord> holyolli:svn://schillernet.dyndns.org/rock-linux/trunk
15:42 < holyolli> esden: cool
15:43 < holyolli> starlord: thx
15:43 < esden> holyolli: I tryed to create a usable kernel for alpha with network _keyboard_, scsi and ide support
15:43 < esden> and I am not fully ready with it
15:43 < holyolli> esden: which kernelverion?
15:43 < esden> holyolli: 2.4.21
15:44 * holyolli just tried to compile it, but couldn't test that
15:44 < holyolli> esden: can you tell me when it's working?
15:44 < esden> holyolli: sure
16:14 < esden> what is the correct check if a string is contained in a variable under bash?
16:26 -!- Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: netrunner, uppo, kasc
16:27 -!- Netsplit over, joins: uppo, netrunner, kasc
16:34 < esden> rxr: ping
16:35 * netrunner stops fighting the dirt in the bathroom and turns to the kitchen
16:36 -!- owl [~owl@62.245.251.33] has left #rocklinux ("...")
16:36 < netrunner>  .o( my gf shall find a clean workplace when she comes home )
16:45 < esden> hehe
16:47 < netrunner> *beg* my brother just came in and I asked him to help ... suddenly he remembered an urgent appointment and left in a hurry
16:47 < blindcoder> esden: if [ $x == `echo $x | sed 's,$y,,g'` ] ; then stfu(); fi
16:47 < blindcoder> esden: that's it :-)
16:49 < blindcoder> women... werld a better place... shoot them all...
16:49 * blindcoder --> back to laundry
16:50 < starlord> hmm,where do i find default kernel config for rock?
16:50 < starlord> from /usr/src/rock-src/
16:51 < jsaw> esden: another possibilty I could think of is [ "$x" != "${x%$y}" ]
16:51 < starlord> i only see architecture/x86/kernel.conf.sh so this one creates it?
16:54 < jsaw> esden: correction, should read ${x//$y/}
16:56 < esden> jsaw: sounds good
16:56 < esden> thanks blindcoder, jsaw 
16:56 < starlord> anyone can help me with the kernel.conf?
16:57 < starlord> err,tell me the location of default config that is
16:57 < esden> starlord: architecture/x86 ist the place you should search
16:57 < esden> it is bit more complicated because the config is being generated
16:58 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@p3EE1E251.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
16:58 < starlord> i know,kernel.conf.sh seems to include other confs but i dont see them
16:59 < uppo> ehm, I did something wrong...
16:59 < uppo> mine -l | grep ^xemacs
16:59 < uppo> gives an empty output
17:04 < esden> starlord: architecture/share/
17:04 < esden> sigh ... glibc needs so long to build >_<
17:05 < esden> now it is creating locale ... now I understand why fefe is not willing to include that crap in dietlibc!
17:05 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@pD95069A1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
17:10 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD958F190.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
17:10 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD958F196.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Nick collision from services.)
17:10 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder
17:12 < starlord> hmm,something is really wrong,where should $base point to?
17:13 < esden> starlord: IIRC to the ROCK sources toplevel directory
17:14 < starlord> hmm,any scripts that checks if needed env variables are set? $base isnt setted in my install
17:16 < esden> I do not think that there is anywhere such test ...
17:18 < esden> argh ... glibc is still building locale!!!! AAAARGH
17:22 < blindcoder> men and woman should not live under the same roof
17:22 < blindcoder> Onegai Twins as an anime that proofs this once again
17:34 -!- lhang [~lhang@cm19.omega166.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #rocklinux
17:35 -!- lhang [~lhang@cm19.omega166.maxonline.com.sg] has left #rocklinux ()
17:41 < rxr> esden: pong
17:43 < rxr> starlord: $base is not set in edn-users shells - it is set inside the build scripts ....... during an automated build ...
17:43 * rxr shorly away ...
17:46 < esden> hmm ...
17:46 < esden> I needed something from you ...
17:46 < esden> but I can not remember anymore
17:46 < esden> have you put the images up?
17:48 < esden> rxr: how can I in a sane way manipulate kernel config from a target?
17:49 < esden> I do not want to provide a full config like bootdisc target does
17:49 -!- Nebukadnezea is now known as Nebu^n64
17:49 < esden> I only want to disable/anable some particular things
17:49 < esden> s/anable/enable/
17:51 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M289P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
17:56 < rxr> esden: the bootdisk target does not provide a full config
17:56 < rxr> esden: another example is the desktop target ...
17:56 -!- lhang [~lhang@cm19.omega166.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #rocklinux
17:56 * rxr away ...
17:59 < esden> rxr: ok I will check that
18:01 -!- lhang [~lhang@cm19.omega166.maxonline.com.sg] has left #rocklinux ()
18:07 < starlord> damm,kernel 2.6 doesnt compile
18:09 < esden> it does here
18:10 < starlord> mine halts on acpi compile
18:14 < starlord> crap,and Emerge-Pkg doesnt halt on broken package build event that i enabled it Config
18:18 < starlord> esden:is it stable?
18:19 < n00kie> It compiled on my machine too
18:20 < esden> starlord: it is 2.6.0-test2 ... so it is going to be stable in near future
18:20 < starlord> hmm,i'm getting undefined recerences to eisa_set_level_irq and ahc_linux_pci_exit
18:20 < starlord> happen to know which module uses those,so i can disable them? :)
18:24 < esden> starlord: try to update to 2.6.0-test3 perhups then the error will go away
18:37 -!- Nebukadnezea [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-132.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux
18:38 -!- Nebukadnezea [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-132.arcor-ip.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
18:45 -!- lhang [~lhang@cm19.omega166.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #rocklinux
18:46 -!- Mike1 [~mike@ip26-62.ct.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux
18:46 < netrunner> esden: cannot be fault of the kernel, since it compiles here and at yours.
18:47 < Mike1> moin all
18:47 < Mike1> PING blindcoder
18:47 < starlord> just got it to work
18:47 < starlord> kernel that is
18:48 < starlord> atleast image builded,hopefully modules will too
18:50 < starlord> plaah,isdn module fails,but i dont need it anyway
18:55 -!- uppo [~uppo@150.217.33.200] has quit (""go home"")
18:59 < rxr> starlord: I'm curious: are you currently converting an self-grown dist to ROCK or similar?
19:00 < netrunner> hm ... eine 32bit pc-card mit 100MBit ohne dongle fuer 29EUR, klingt guenstig, oder?
19:01 < rxr> netrunner: I do not buy such devices that often ...
19:01 < netrunner> urgs, sorry, wrong lang or chan ;) for the curious: I found a 32bit pc card with 100MBit without dongle that costs only 30EUR
19:02 < netrunner> rxr: well, I already have 2 cards with broken dongle here, so I am looking around for a dongle-free version :)
19:05 < starlord> rxr:no,i installed base system from rock-beta6 minimal cd and started to install from there
19:09 < esden> hmm ... the the data that should go on initrd are too big and/or the initrd image is too small ...
19:10 < esden> or I have done something wrong ...
19:10 < esden> what is also possible
19:10 -!- javisiu [~javier@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #RockLinux
19:10 < esden> boah ... 9 bootdiscs created ...
19:10 < esden> that is big!
19:11 < esden> I increased the size of initrd for now ... I hope it will be bootable
19:11 -!- javisiu [~javier@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit (Client Quit)
19:13 < netrunner> esden: what is your problem with bootdisk? 
19:13 < esden> netrunner: the problem was that when creating the initrd image it failed with "no space left on device" error
19:13 < esden> now I increased the size of initrd and it works ...
19:13 < netrunner> esden: as of 1140 everything was fixed and fits.
19:14 < esden> netrunner: aaaahhhh ok
19:14 < netrunner> esden: that was probably the version where kiss was copied from the host-root
19:14 < netrunner> that had 600K and squashed the initrd :)
19:15 < esden> I disabled kiss ...
19:15 < netrunner> btw, the bootdisks don't work anyway. I maybe have time tonight for fixing that.
19:15 < esden> netrunner: *sigh*
19:15 < esden> netrunner: do it NOW ;-)
19:15 * netrunner looking around ... lots of things to move out of sight before now.
19:15 < netrunner> esden: oh, you cannot boot from cd?
19:15 < esden> I want to release the first dietlibc iso today!
19:16 < esden> that is bootable and installable
19:16 < netrunner> esden: the cd is bootable, only the disk images do not work.
19:16 < esden> ahh ok
19:16 < esden> that is a difference
19:16 < netrunner> esden: want a patch for pcmcia-support? :)
19:16 < esden> I do not need discs ;)
19:16 < netrunner> oh, sorry, I was not clear. floppy does not work, compact disc does :)
19:18 < esden> hmm ... fscking kernel config!!!
19:18 < esden> I do not want that crappy ZLIB_INFLATE stuff!!!
19:18 < esden> what crap does depend on it?
19:18 < esden> besides the iso compression
19:22 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-177-22.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit ("X-Chat: Leggo my Eggo!")
19:23 < netrunner> hm? scripts/CreateDiff creates -p0 patches?
19:25 < esden> netrunner: not really ... it should create -p1 patches
19:28 < netrunner> esden: this one just applied with -p0 only.
19:28 < netrunner> esden: I'll send it to the list anyway. what were the tags I have to write there? applied,built,tested?
19:29 < esden> compiled installed tested  checked flist  checked dep list
19:29 < esden> applied is also nice
19:30 < netrunner> esden: applied is more or less a joke :)
19:30 < esden> ohh ... really? ;)
19:30 < netrunner> but this one really only applies with -p0 ... but I created it with scripts/Create-Diff
19:30 -!- lhang [~lhang@cm19.omega166.maxonline.com.sg] has left #rocklinux ()
19:31 < netrunner> urgs, what came over me ... I didnt..
19:31 < esden> tztztz
19:31 < netrunner> I am totally subversioned, I used svn diff ... without ever having heard of this command before :/
19:31 < esden> hehehe
19:31 < esden> netrunner: you are bizarre
19:32 < netrunner> esden: that comes from cleaning the appartment for the whole day. my hands look like a womans
19:32 * netrunner shrugs
19:34 -!- starlord [~starlord@dsl10040.japo.fi] has quit ("Client exited")
19:35 < esden> netrunner: pooor boy ;)
19:36 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M289P001.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Client Quit)
19:37 < esden> AAARGH give me something to kill!!! 
19:37 < esden> I hate that!
19:39 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M316P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux
19:40 -!- rxr is now known as regina
19:46 * netrunner feels so inactive :(
19:50 < esden> netrunner: interactive with what? Who?
19:51 < netrunner> esden: I still have to clean up my room by tonight, but I lost all my energy. And it didn't even come back by eating 200g white chocolate :(
19:56 < netrunner> where's the difference between _exit() and exit()?
20:01 -!- owl__ is now known as owl
20:01 < owl> moin
20:03 < netrunner> muahaha "Microsoft Worms Crash Ohio Nuke Plant, MD Trains"
20:04 < SMP> netrunner: see the _exit manpage
20:05 * netrunner feels slammed with the rtfm-fist
20:20 < owl> poor netrunner 
20:24 -!- regina is now known as rxr
20:24 < owl> O_o rxr is mutating?
20:26 < esden> owl: no that was only resource sharing ;)
20:31 < owl> esden: resource sharing? what resources?
20:31 * netrunner headbanging his table ...
20:32 < esden> ROFL
20:32 < owl> netrunner: ??? could it be, that you're in strange mood?
20:33 * netrunner continues headbanging the table...
20:33 < owl> hilfeee!!! ich werd' erwuergt!
20:38 < netrunner> hm ... without light the chaos here is almost invisible ... as long as you don't try to walk from a to b 
20:38 -!- christian [~christian@p50839C2E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
20:38 < owl> thought you cleaned up?
20:38 < netrunner> not yet. just kitchen and  bathroom. but that alone already took the day.
20:39 < netrunner> every once in a year ...
20:42 < owl> O_o
20:42 * owl doesn't really want to know how many "bewohner" you have in your room... 
20:45 < owl> wtf?!!!!!!!!! i want to Emerge-Pkg -dep a gcc2, gcc3, libc23....... ????????
20:45 * owl doesn't understand the concept of this strange emerge and/or world anymore
20:46 < esden> netrunner: you are a conehead ;)
20:48 < netrunner> owl: I dont know either since I realized the floor starts running away when I chase it with a damp cloth
20:50 < esden> netrunner: what is the name of that stuff and where can it be bought?
20:51 < esden> I think I go hunting ...
20:51 < esden> cu l8er
20:51 < netrunner> cu esden 
20:52 < owl> netrunner: kammerjaeger... :p
21:18 -!- christian [~christian@p50839C2E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection)
21:38 * -> esden cooking noodles
22:01 -!- A-Tui [~Aitor@cable65a154.usuarios.retecal.es] has joined #rocklinux
22:02 * netrunner back from that magic room where it rains inside.
22:09 < rxr> netrunner: ?
22:10 < netrunner> rxr: shower *g*
22:11 -!- Nebu^n64 is now known as Nebukadneza
22:13 < esden> netrunner: very magic room ...
22:13 < esden> *lol*
22:13 * -> esden watching a box with changing colors inside ;)
22:15 < esden> fsck I need perl to compile the kernel
22:15 < esden> that really sux 
22:16 < esden> such a dependancy is a no do in a kernel
22:16 < esden> *GRR*
22:16 < rxr> the announce of -camp on freshmeat increased the traffic by 8GB per day ...
22:16 < esden> yes I know there was a long discussion about that on the kernel mailinglist
22:16 < esden> rxr: sounds good ;)
22:18 < rxr> from 5 to 13 GB/day ...
22:18 < rxr> oh even 15.33 today ... (so far)
22:23 < rxr> netrunner: thanks for the patch - I'll merge this soon
22:23 < netrunner> esden: perl for the kernel?
22:23 < rxr> btw: what should we do with teh minimal+xfree thing? Apply even when we do not want to have a target per special package selection?
22:24 < rxr> or apply in 2.0 and do it cleaner in 2.1 ?
22:24 < netrunner> rxr: hope you like it, I am not the best with c ;)
22:24 < esden> netrunner: yes
22:24 < netrunner> rxr: the latter sounds better to me. could impress visitors :)
22:25 < esden> make[2]: Entering directory `/R.src/linux-2.4.21/drivers/scsi'
22:25 < esden> ln -sf sim710.scr fake7.c
22:25 < esden> kcc-3 -E -D__KERNEL__ -I/R.src/linux-2.4.21/include -traditional -DCHIP=710 fake7.c | grep -v '^#' | perl -s script_asm.pl -ncr710
22:25 < esden> /bin/sh: line 1: perl: command not found
22:25 < esden> make[2]: *** [sim710_d.h] Error 127
22:25 < netrunner> esden: I really like perl, but for the kernel ...
22:26 < rxr> esden: maybe it is the time to fix perl for dietlibc ...
22:29 < esden> yes ... I already added perl to dietlibc target
22:29 < esden> but I still need fdlibm to get perl running
22:29 < esden> you know what I love french films!
22:29 < esden> ok ... enough of watching tv
22:29 < esden> I try to get fdlibm running in rocklinux
22:49 < mnemoc> anybody familiar with mod_perl?
22:57 -!- javisiu [~javier@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #RockLinux
23:04 < rxr> hi javisiu 
23:08 * Mike1 is back
23:08 < Mike1> re all.
23:12 < rxr> hi Mike1 - how are you ?
23:14 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@p3EE1E251.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (""reboot"")
23:15 < Mike1> rxr: i'm doing great and you ?
23:18 * Mike1 having lunch
23:18 -!- javisiu [~javier@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit ()
23:19 < rxr> Mike1: I'm about to quite my pace job ...
23:19 < rxr> and so I feel much better now ...
23:26 -!- christian [~christian@p50839C2E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
23:27 < christian> rööö :)
23:27 < rxr> hi christian 
23:30 -!- christian [~christian@p50839C2E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection)
23:31 -!- christian [~christian@p50839C2E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
23:37 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EABF16.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
23:45 < tcr> Pah, 3 kernel oops on one day, so either 2.4.21 is absolutely buggy or (more likely) my RAM is partially defect
23:58 < rxr> 2.4.21 works just great here ...
--- Log closed Fri Aug 22 00:00:17 2003