-!- Irrsi Log opened Sun Aug 24 00:00:07 2003
[00:01] < daja77> big fat patch
[00:03] < rxr> the one lying in this one package dir ...
[00:03] < daja77> ah the adeos, didn't noticed it is big
[00:03] < rxr> adeos.patch
[00:04] < rxr> 100kB or so ?
[00:04] < daja77> might be related to the fact that i don't use it
[00:04] < rxr> this _must_ be downloaded ...
[00:05] < daja77> well you can delete it for now, it can't be applied anyway atm
[00:05] < esden> re hi all
[00:05] < daja77> it is just in cvs that's the problem
[00:05] < daja77> hi esden *hug*
[00:05] < rxr> daja77: ROCK supports CVS checkout in [D] tags ...
[00:06] < rxr> or I could put it on some server ...
[00:06] < daja77> but i don't want a complete rtai checkout
[00:06] < rxr> you coudl checkout this part ...
[00:06] < rxr> module or however they store it in cvs ...
[00:07] < daja77> well delete it, and i'll check next week
[00:07] < esden> rehug daja77
[00:09] < daja77> it would do no harm, cos the target works per default with rthal5g patch
[00:13] < esden> ok ... the link to the alpha iso is now online
[00:13] < esden> thanks holyolli
[00:14] < rxr> ok - which alpha iso? - the only working one ?
[00:16] < esden> ack
[00:16] < esden> rxr: could you mirror it?
[00:16] < esden> I am sucking it too ... ;)
[00:16] < rxr> esden: I already have it on the server - wait a few seconds and it will be on all mirrors ...
[00:16] < esden> but I have no possibility to put it online anywhore
[00:17] < esden> rxr: that is very good
[00:17] < daja77> esden sucking, why i have forseen such things ...
[00:17] < esden> so it will be avalable over iso.rocklinux.org?
[00:17] < rxr> yes
[00:17] < rxr> which version has the iso ?
[00:19] < esden> rock-1.5.17-alpha-base.iso
[00:20] < rxr> esden: md5sum ;-) ?
[00:22] < esden> urgh ... I do not have one yet
[00:23] < esden> it is still sucking ;)
[00:23] < esden> daja77: you do not know many things about me ;)
[00:24] < daja77> esden: and that's after meeting ...
[00:26] < esden> ack
[00:26] < esden> i will show you new thing when we see each other next time ;R)
[00:26] < esden> -R
[00:26] < daja77> there are things on esden i don't wanna see
[00:29] < rxr> esden: ok - now it is syncing to iso.rocklinux.de
[00:29] < esden> daja77: *GG*
[00:29] < esden> rxr: very good
[00:30] < rxr> I need a KVM switch ...
[00:30] daja77 glad that clifford responded to Mike
[00:31] < rxr> esden: the iso is located in:
[00:31] < rxr> 1.5.17/generic/
[00:32] < rxr> in the offical ISO tree ...
[00:33] daja77 lurking in #redhat chan
[00:34] < rxr> daja77: huh ?
[00:34] < daja77> just found out that it is one of mike's chans
[00:34] < esden> daja77: ???
[00:34] < daja77> and /me is nosy
[00:35] < daja77> clue level seems to be higher than in #gentoo, which isn't really hard
[00:35] < daja77> *gg* esden, ts you have of course to talk around there
[00:36] < esden> o_O
[00:36] < esden> I better say nothing ... I get only flamed
[00:36] < tcr> 1. I find it just plain wrong to stalk mike
[00:36] < daja77> dunno if you'll get flamed, but chanserv says read the faq
[00:36] < tcr> 2. I find it really pathetic to make claims about some userbase of some chan
[00:37] < tcr> Just stay here, and enjoy that you are /not/ treated with any deeper dumbness
[00:37] < tcr> Except for mine of course! ;)
[00:37] < daja77> stalking, man what have you smoked, i have one or two questions anyway
[00:38] < daja77> he left rock, he didn't say, man i don't talk to you anymore
[00:39] < daja77> i didn't came in and said hi mike, just lurking a bit, that's all
[00:39] < daja77> and 2. the could be no dumber userbase than in #gentoo
[00:39] < daja77> there
[00:42] < daja77> cool one from saudi arabia
[00:43] < tcr> Of course he didn't say that, but if he actually wanted to talk to us, he'd be here
[00:43] daja77 wondering why sco hasn't proved all linux hackers have connections to osama bin laden, so the us military can kill us ...
[00:44] < daja77> I have always been in one of Mike's own chans anyway ...
[00:47] < daja77> + I am not willing to discuss this any further
[00:47] < rxr> esden: sync finished ...
[00:52] < esden> rxr: good!
[00:54] < daja77> lol that faq is funny
[00:54] esden adding the link to the alpha page
[00:58] < esden> link added
[01:00] < esden> rxr: will there be any nice index on the iso.rocklinux.org site?
[01:00] < esden> so you can search for alpha/ppc/x86 isos ... or target or so?
[01:03] < daja77> netrunner made a really scaring esden photo
[01:05] < esden> o_O where?
[01:06] < daja77> https://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/publicgallery/rocklinux/devmeeting0308_small/img_2592-small-21-0.html
[01:06] < tcr> sexy, sexy!
[01:07] < esden> urgh ... that is really scary
[01:07] < daja77> the rest of the pics are cool too
[01:07] < daja77> :)
[01:07] < esden> I am asking myself how much I smoked there ;)
[01:07] < daja77> you were smoking, can't believe it
[01:07] < daja77> :)
[01:09] < esden> daja77: that was only a joke ...
[01:09] < daja77> ahahaha, ic
[01:09] < daja77> you could be the rocklinux mascot, muhahaha
[01:10] < daja77> rotfl
[01:11] < daja77> q: are you running a dns or web server
[01:11] < daja77> a: yes ... or so i am told
[01:12] < daja77> esden: *gg*
[01:12] daja77 just escaped too
[01:15] < rxr> esden: Localhero is working on a nice index ...
[01:15] < rxr> (this is not my job ... ;-)
[01:19] daja77 goes to bed
[01:19] < daja77> cu
[01:22] < rxr> cu daja77
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[01:36] < snyke> esden: ?
[01:37] < esden> snyke: ?
[01:37] < snyke> ah cool
[01:37] < snyke> still there
[01:37] < snyke> whereis zero?
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[02:24] < rxr> re
[02:24] < rxr> so the new 100Mhz PowerPC now has a ROCK boot partition ...
[02:24] < rxr> err - well it had a old 1.3.x I accidently earased - but the new one works flawwlessly now ...
[02:38] < esden> hmm ... the astaro firewall looks very interesting
[02:38] < esden> I think we should let inspire ourselves with that ;)
[02:47] < rxr> esden: ok /me waitig for a patch :-)
[02:52] < rxr> ping esden ?
[02:59] < esden> hehe ... some time ;)
[02:59] < esden> rxr: /me currently _TRYING_ to fix perl under dietlibc >_<
[02:59] < esden> that really sux
[02:59] < esden> I hate perl _and_ I hate glibc!!!
[02:59] < esden> and the patches I got are not really helping ...
[03:02] < rxr> ah ;-)
[03:02] < rxr> I thought you already felt asleep ...
[03:03] < esden> nooo .. /me not ;)
[03:03] esden searching for vsprintf ...
[03:05] < rxr> I need a KVM switch ...
[03:07] < esden> argh it is there .... why does that fscking perl not find it >_<
[03:34] SMP made a really crude patch to make gnuchash compile
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[03:46] < esden> ok .. I am off for bed
[03:46] < esden> good night everyone
[03:47] < SMP> cu esden
[03:48] < rxr> hi SMP
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[04:08] < rxr> good night *
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[09:40] < starlord> anyone awake?
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[10:34] < starlord> hmm,why ./scripts/Config allow to modify kernel options?
[10:34] < starlord> doesnt allow that is
[10:42] < christ|an> guten morgen
[10:48] < starlord> morning
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[12:50] < holyolli> moin
[13:07] < rxr> moin
[13:07] < rxr> starlord: what do you mean with the kernel options stuff above ?
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[13:20] < rxr> oO - today is flaswar day on the list ?
[13:21] < rxr> s/flaswar/flamewar/ ...
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[14:18] < dennis> moin
[14:22] < rxr> moin dennis
[14:27] < dennis> hi rxr
[14:48] rxr is again writing code for XFree86 ...
[14:48] < rxr> damn incomplete stuff ...
[14:54] < daja77> moin
[14:55] < holyolli> moin daja77
[14:55] < daja77> moin holyolli
[14:57] < rxr> moin daja77
[14:59] < daja77> huhu rxr
[14:59] < daja77> omg christian and owl responding to helpless user
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[15:09] < holyolli> re
[15:24] < rxr> hi holyolli
[15:28] < daja77> if that would be a german list i would write a "merkbefreiung" for owl
[15:30] < holyolli> hi rxr
[15:30] < holyolli> daja77: *lol*
[15:30] < holyolli> is she still building her own distro? ;)
[15:32] < rxr> daja77: I decided we rename devmeeting to -rc1
[15:33] < rxr> holyolli: this depends on the day you ask her ...
[15:33] < holyolli> rxr: *fg*
[15:33] < rxr> rock-net will not show up in the next days anyway ...
[15:34] < daja77> rxr: good idea
[15:35] < daja77> ok contributed to the flame ...
[15:37] < daja77> boy I am fed up with this crap complaining stuff
[15:39] daja77 just wondering who is so family dominated to even put the family in from:
[15:46] < esden> good morning everyone ;)
[15:46] < esden> flame? where? can I add some gasoline to it?
[15:47] < daja77> yepp owl is involved
[15:49] < esden> o_O
[15:49] < daja77> hi esden
[15:49] < esden> daja77: rlml?
[15:49] < daja77> see ml
[15:49] < esden> good
[15:49] < daja77> but guess it could be ended as well, cos everything is already said
[15:59] < esden> urgh rxr is hard ;)
[16:00] < daja77> but right
[16:01] < esden> yes daja77 he is right ...that is what is the hardest ;)
[16:01] < rxr> hm - what have i missed?
[16:02] < esden> rxr: nothing ... your reply on owl's mail is hard ... but right ...
[16:04] < daja77> esden: she is complaining anyway if we are friendly or not
[16:08] < starlord> hmm,x and linux24 doesnt build
[16:09] < daja77> O_o what optimization?
[16:10] < starlord> and ./scripts/Config doesnt allow to modify kernel options,generic(no optimization)
[16:12] < esden> daja77: right ...
[16:21] < starlord> hmm,acctually x doesnt fail on compile,it fails on install,and kernel24 fails on install too,depmod:/lib/modules/2.4.21-rock/modules.dep.new is not an ELF file
[16:22] < starlord> and Config does allow to edit kernel options but doesnt save the new values
[16:37] < rxr> starlord: you use the desktop target, right ?
[16:38] < starlord> yep
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[16:45] < esden> ok /me leaving for billard and munich ;)
[16:45] < esden> cu guys
[16:45] < holyolli> cu esden
[16:45] < rxr> starlord: this might be due to the desktop target also provides kernel configs ...
[16:45] < rxr> starlord: I need to take a look - and might need to implement this differently ...
[16:45] < rxr> starlord: what do you want to modify in your config ?
[16:46] < starlord> rxr:everything :)
[16:46] < starlord> rxr:i dont need that just right now,i have working copy of rock so
[16:47] < starlord> rxr:but in the future it would be nice to show kernel configs like in make menuconfig,might not need that big of choices....
[16:49] < starlord> but the X i need,any details what might be wrong,all i get is: mkdir: ´/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/geometry/hp' exists but is not a directory, and this is in final(install) phase
[16:55] < rxr> starlord: hm - this is a vanilla build of the package or did you modifications ?
[16:55] < rxr> you installed an old ISO, right ?
[16:58] < starlord> i used beta6 to install and i have updated someof the packages
[16:59] < starlord> but i need x to install right because everytime you build a package that depends on x it trys to build x first and it's getting.....
[17:00] starlord is away....
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[17:07] < rxr> starlord: we might have fixed the /etc/X11/* /usr/X11/lib/...* mismatch after beta6
[17:07] < rxr> (this mismatch is the default in XFree - and we do not liked it ...)
[17:07] < rxr> the only quick fix that comes to mind is removiing the relevant links/dirs and rebuild X ...
[17:08] < starlord> i'm trying to rebuild x currently but it fails on that error
[17:09] < starlord> hmm,what links/dirs should i remove?
[17:11] < starlord> or should i remove package completly with mine?
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[17:19] < daja77> what a nice joke, someone just told me rh has _new_ xfree packages in rawhide (4.3.0-22) rotfl
[17:20] < rxr> daja77: this redhat package also contains many chunks out of CVS - it will not be that different from our 4.3.99.7 ...
[17:20] < daja77> yeah but that version crippling by distribution sucks
[17:26] daja77 currently propagating rocklinux to mdlug
[17:26] < daja77> :)
[17:29] < daja77> cool somebody just explaining me why gentoo sucks
[17:29] < holyolli> daja77: and why?
[17:29] < daja77> may i quote?
[17:30] < daja77> 17:26 <@safedin> no really... some of the ebuilds have missed depedencies... wrong deps... (claim to need foo-1.2 when it
[17:30] < daja77> can work with all versions of foo...)
[17:30] < daja77> 17:27 <@daja77> that's why hard coded deps suck
[17:30] < daja77> 17:27 <@safedin> it's really annoying.. as, for example sometimes when I try to install a gtk/gnome package it will want to
[17:30] < daja77> install the old 1.x version of gnome/gtk...
[17:30] < daja77> 17:27 <@safedin> when that package should be build with the newer gtk 2.x
[17:30] < daja77> 17:28 <@safedin> grr.. really annoying.. I hate that shit... have to edit it by hand...
[17:30] < daja77> 17:28 <@daja77> ah now i see what pisses people off from gentoo
[17:30] < daja77> 17:28 <@safedin> .. plus the poor QA...
[17:30] < daja77> 17:28 <@safedin> sometimes the packages aren't tested as much as they should be...
[17:31] < daja77> cool safedin studying the handbook ...
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[17:33] < daja77> hi safedin
[17:33] < safedin> 'eh daja77...
[17:33] < daja77> :)
[17:34] < safedin> hmm.. how much free space is 'a lot of free space' hehe.. I'm thinking 10 gigs should be enough?
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[17:37] < daja77> hi clifford
[17:37] < clifford> hi daja.
[17:37] < holyolli> hi clifford
[17:38] < clifford> hi.
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[17:38] < dennis> hi clifford
[17:38] < clifford> hi dennis, hi ALL ... ;-)
[17:39] < daja77> guess i haven't said how much I enjoyed the meeting ;-)
[17:40] < clifford> well - so you did now I guess .... ;-)
[17:41] < daja77> think so ...
[17:41] < clifford> Anyways - it was a lot of fun and I think I cant wait a whole year until the next meeting ...
[17:42] < daja77> clifford: i think i write that parsing stuff for the iso txt file in perl, unfortunately family and friend demanding me today so i can't do it today
[17:43] < daja77> it would just rock to have ready labels for the rc1 images
[17:43] < clifford> why in perl? (well - that's better than ruby or python)
[17:44] < daja77> it is high level enough, and cdlabelgen is in perl, so you need it anyway in order to do this
[17:44] < daja77> and yes i don't like perl very much
[17:45] < rxr> hi clifford
[17:45] < clifford> ok - if cdlabelgen is in perl too i see no problem ... ;-)
[17:45] < clifford> hi rxr.
[17:45] < daja77> ;-)
[17:51] < daja77> unfortunately i have to go
[17:51] < daja77> cu
[17:51] < holyolli> cu daja77
[17:51] < clifford> cu daja77
[17:57] < safedin> ok... I'm trying to build Rock Linux, just wonder, is there a way to 'fine tune' wich packages are going to be installed?
[17:58] < safedin> er... s/installed/built
[17:58] < rxr> safedin: yes - uding the custom package selection in the expert sectin - see ./scripts/config
[17:59] < rxr> oh my - I should not have started to try to port the missing S3 driver bits out from XFree-3 into the XFree-4 driver
[17:59] < rxr> this get's far too messy ...
[17:59] < safedin> thanks
[18:06] < rxr> hm - if I realy should run this modifed driver - when I once have it in a compiling state - suid root ?!? ...
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[18:26] < starlord> hmm,anyone have ati and has hw acceleration in x? any tips & tricks would be helpfull
[18:28] < rxr> hm - the XFree people really mangeled the driver from 3.3.6 to 4.x - it is not really worser than more more structured ... ?!?
[18:28] < rxr> anyway I'm shortly off ...
[18:29] < rxr> s/the driver/the S3 driver/ ...
[19:04] < clifford> cu.
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[19:52] < v1r422> hi
[19:53] < v1r422> hi dennis!
[19:53] < dennis> hey udo :D
[19:54] < v1r422> jo :)
[19:54] < dennis> how are things?
[19:54] < v1r422> nice :)
[19:54] < v1r422> tomorrow starts my school
[19:54] < dennis> school?
[19:55] < v1r422> dont you know ?
[19:55] < dennis> no
[19:55] < v1r422> i begin to learn again ;)
[19:55] < dennis> let's query ;-)
[19:55] < v1r422> technican - mechanical
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[21:10] < holyolli> hi dennis, tcr
[21:11] < tcr> moin holyolli
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[21:16] < dennis> hi holyolli
[21:26] < esden> hi all
[21:26] < dennis> hi esden
[21:27] < holyolli> hi esden
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[21:32] < esden> holyolli: you have got mail ;)
[21:32] < holyolli> esden: jepps. just read it. :)
[21:32] < holyolli> thx
[21:33] < esden> good ;)
[21:34] < holyolli> esden: how's your kernel-compile going? i'm now running 2.4.21 on my alpha at it seems to run nice..
[21:35] < holyolli> even the smp-patch isn't needed anymore
[21:36] < esden> holyolli: I have not tryed since camp ... I had to meet all possible friends of mine ... and now I am fighting perl under dietlibc
[21:36] < esden> I will not start to hack on alpha till I have dietlibc running
[21:36] < esden> I always jump between projects and that is not good ;)
[21:36] < holyolli> ah. tell me, if you need some binaries...
[21:36] < esden> holyolli: I will bug you for sure ;)
[21:40] < holyolli> esden: ntw. speaking of the developers gallery...bremen is _not_ in NRW... ;)
[21:41] < esden> o_O
[21:41] < esden> I got that info in that form ...
[21:41] < esden> I am only cut and pasting the info I get ;)
[21:41] < holyolli> jaja... ;-)
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[22:09] < christ|an> re :)
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[22:46] < Davitelj> hy everyone
[22:46] < Davitelj> i have problems installing rock linux onto my computer
[22:46] < Davitelj> i downloaded drock-2.0.0-camp-rev1045-x86-pentium-mmx_cd1.iso
[22:47] < Davitelj> and the second disk
[22:47] < Davitelj> but when i boot from the first one
[22:47] < Davitelj> it says kernel panic no init found
[22:47] < Davitelj> what to do?
[22:47] < Davitelj> can anyone help me?
[22:48] < Davitelj> plz?
[22:48] < tcr> Hmm
[22:49] < tcr> mom
[22:55] < Davitelj> ???
[22:56] < tcr> Just watched a movie which has ended now :)
[22:56] < Davitelj> :)
[22:57] < tcr> Did you just press enter?
[22:57] < Davitelj> yup
[22:57] < tcr> Are on another box atm?
[22:57] < Davitelj> <tcr> Are on another box atm? <-- ????
[22:58] < Davitelj> atm?
[22:58] < tcr> at the moment
[22:58] < Davitelj> oh
[22:58] < Davitelj> no
[22:58] < tcr> Do you need to reboot
[22:58] < Davitelj> yup
[22:58] < tcr> Ok
[22:58] < tcr> try: linux initrd=initrd.img root=/dev/ram devfs=nocompat init=/linuxrc rw
[22:58] < Davitelj> wow
[22:58] < Davitelj> thnx
[22:59] < Davitelj> if i dont come back it succeded
[22:59] < Davitelj> if i come.... let's hoe i dont
[22:59] < Davitelj> :
[22:59] < Davitelj> :)
[22:59] < tcr> Good luck
[22:59] < Davitelj> thnx
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[23:09] < Davitelj> :****
[23:09] < Davitelj> ups
[23:09] < Davitelj> :(((((
[23:09] < Davitelj> i hate this keyboard
[23:09] < Davitelj> but
[23:09] < Davitelj> that thing did not suceed
[23:10] < Davitelj> now it is complaining on not founding reiserfs
[23:11] < Davitelj> tcr
[23:15] < tcr> hm
[23:15] < tcr> mom
[23:16] < rxr> hi tcr
[23:16] < rxr> Davitelj: which ISO did you download ?
[23:17] < tcr> Davitelj: read the paragraphe in the middle: https://www.rocklinux.net/lurker/message/20030824.071303.5a86f370.html
[23:18] < tcr> beginning with "so - to the camp version"
[23:18] < tcr> The excerpts of error messages, are those the same you just encountered?
[23:18] < tcr> rxr: drock-2.0.0-camp-rev1045-x86-pentium-mmx_cd1.iso
[23:22] < rxr> damn - have I updloaded the unfixed version ... - all this travleing the last weeks especially with all those slow ISDN lines was too much - damn
[23:28] < rxr> Davitelj: I'll invetigate and fix this soon - but first I want to get my work on the XFree's S3 driver finished ...
[23:31] < tcr> Oh well. I think I'll better go to bed now. Have to wake up quite earlily tomorrow, because I'll see the doctor
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[23:37] < christ|an> hi dennis
[23:37] < christ|an> wb
[23:37] < dennis> hi christ|an
[23:38] < christ|an> how are you?
[23:39] < dennis> not bad, thanks. and you?
[23:39] < christ|an> well :)
[23:40] < christ|an> what are you doing? :)
[23:41] < dennis> just playing a bit with a cobalt raq4
[23:41] < christ|an> ahja :)
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