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00:44 < rxr> yes - it was the wrong ISO - damn
00:45 < daja77> ash on you ;-)
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00:51 < snyke> hmm
00:51 < snyke> hi dennis.
00:52 < daja77> gn8 you all
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01:28 < link_> has anyone an idea who has made the program 'pornview' ???
01:29 < dennis> don't feed the droll
01:29 < link_> hi dennis 
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01:32 < rxr> SMP: arround ?
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01:43 < SMP> rxr: jep
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02:40 < rxr> ah hi SMP
02:40 < rxr> (sorry me fixd stone code ...)
02:40 < rxr> I'll tag -rc1 now ...
02:41 < rxr> in what timeframe could you checking the first rock-net code? I would even be happy if you could send me a latest tarball and I get this thing rolling ...
03:16 < SMP> erh
03:25 < rxr> hi ;-)!
03:25 < rxr> SMP: could you just mail a current tarball over and I do the rest ;-) ?
03:39 < SMP> I need to get it (at least a bit) into shape. then I can do the checkin or send it to you - doesn't matter then
03:39 < rxr> when to you expect the "getting in sape" might be finished?
03:41 < SMP> some days - cant't be any more specific - personal reasons
03:50 < rxr> hm - ok
03:51 < SMP> the question is not so much when it will be finished but rathen when I will start. after that it's done quickly
04:16 < rxr> ok - n8 ...
04:16 < SMP> me as well - n8
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04:38 < mnemoc_> rene: awake?
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05:51 < jsaw> re
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06:10 < dennis> moin all
06:10 < jsaw> tach
06:10 < dennis> tach jsaw 
06:11 < dennis> working in the early morning really sucks
06:11 < jsaw> ehem, late in the night here... (before you ask, CET here)
06:13 < dennis> 0611 AM here ;-)
06:13 < jsaw> dito
06:20 * jsaw off now
06:22 < dennis> cu jsaw 
06:22 < jsaw> cu, bye
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07:34 < holyolli> moin
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07:41 < starlord> hi holyolli
07:41 < holyolli> hi starlord
07:49 < holyolli> cya
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08:00 < dennis> damn, i to sleep a few hours - gn8
08:00 < dennis> s/i/i have 
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08:01 < rxr> mnemoc: now I'm awake for a few minutes ...
08:03 < starlord> rxr:one of the maintainers of kernel(2.6)?
08:04 < rxr> yes ...
08:04 < starlord> rxr:might want to add CONFIG_SIS190 to disable-broken.lst as it doesnt compile here
08:04 < starlord> err,to 2.6-test4
08:06 < rxr> done
08:13 < rxr> ok - me asleep again - only the chimney sweeper woke me up ...
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10:04 < Davitelj> hi ppl
10:09 < Davitelj> hey ppl
10:09 < Davitelj> i need help
10:11 < Davitelj> is anyone alive?
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11:31 < fake> rxr: still test-building
11:31 < fake> rxr: it seems like binutils 2.14.90.0.6 is not happy if built outside the source's root
11:32 < fake> rxr: and, of course, we either disable the c++-demangler for stages < 2, or include a c++-compiler in gcc's build in stage 0
11:32 < fake> rxr: i vote for the first
11:48 < netrunne1> moin
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12:04 < rxr> fake: ok - so post -rc1 stuff ...
12:04 < rxr> if you enable the C++ compiler for the cross-compiler you need to test if this works for real cross-builds
12:04 < rxr> in ancient times this was not possible - but I think nowadays it should work ...
12:11 < rxr> hehe - KMail seems to get a tiny patch for "New Forgotten atachment detector"
12:27 < daja77> moin
12:27 < fake> rxr: i thought so too. i don't want to compile g++ on mips 3 times for a minimal build
12:28 < fake> rxr: so i will disable the build of the c++ demangler in binutils for stages where the c++ compiler is not yet availible
12:28 < daja77> hi fake 
12:29 < rxr> fake: hm - on the other hand in 2.1 we want a C++ compiler anyway
12:30 < rxr> if this works already now - without regressions we should enable it now (maybe with a expert option to disable it ...)
12:30 < rxr> hi daja77 
12:30 < daja77> hi rxr :)
12:30 < rxr> daja77: I'm thinking about official ISOs
12:30 < daja77> hm?
12:30 < rxr> daja77: maybe we do not need this big generic ISOs since desktop and generic do not differ that much
12:30 < rxr> daja77: I think it would be of more use if you could supply -minimal builds
12:31 < daja77> i have about 300 more builds than on desktop
12:32 < rxr> daja77: yes - but this are not that important packages and maybe not worth the bandwith ?
12:32 < rxr> I'm going to enable some of this some hundrerd more packages in desktop in the next days anyway ....
12:33 < daja77> hmm k. but when dektop and generic are identical why we have both
12:33 * fake testing both combinations of binutils-build (with- and without c++ compiler) and is off again
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12:37 < daja77> btw could you enable nvidia packages for dektop, there are very useful for desktop users ...
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12:58 < jsaw> re
13:04 < daja77> wb jsaw 
13:04 < jsaw> hi daja77 
13:05 < jsaw> wasn't it a bit of a surprise that miguel left?
13:08 < daja77> yes
13:09 < jsaw> ;-) (wer etwas zu sagen hat, macht nicht viele worte)
13:10 < daja77> hehe
13:10 < daja77> well everything changed for mike ...
13:11 < jsaw> me curious, what did change (if u r allowed to tell)
13:11 < daja77> he had no project for which he needed rock, and he was not involved with developing rock, guess that's what made him resign
13:12 < rxr> well he had this project with chris ...
13:13 < daja77> which failed
13:13 < jsaw> rxr: I get a full answer in private from daja77..
13:13 < jsaw> hi rxr, btw
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13:15 < rxr> hi jsaw 
13:15 < tcr> moin all; hi rxr
13:15 < jsaw> rxr: I read it much later, that u tagged rc1...
13:15 < tcr> rxr: When will there be a new src-tarball in people/rene/stable/src/?
13:16 < rxr> tcr: when I know that I will not to some boot code modifications later today ...
13:21 < tcr> ok, /me brb
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13:31 < starlord> hmm,ide-scsi driver in 2.6 doesnt work
13:31 < starlord> rxr:you alive? what's the easiest method for temporary change kernel options for building?
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13:36 < Davitelj> hi ppl
13:36 < Davitelj> i have trouble installing rock linux
13:37 < Davitelj> it boots from the CD
13:37 < Davitelj> and then i just press enter
13:37 < Davitelj> and it says kernel panic no init found
13:37 < Davitelj> what to do?
13:37 < Davitelj> it is 2.0.0 camp version
13:37 < netrunner> Davitelj: that pentium-mmx desktop build?
13:38 < Davitelj> yup
13:38 < Davitelj> drock-2.0.0-camp-rev1045-x86-pentium-mmx_cd1.iso
13:39 < netrunner> Davitelj: hm ... I already installed that one ... but without booting it. ... just a second.
13:42 < Davitelj> ?
13:42 < netrunner> I am trying to boot the cd.
13:43 < netrunner> I remember that the first isos of those had a boot problem ... which was solved and the isos replaced.
13:43 < Davitelj> oh
13:43 < netrunner> maybe you have downloaded the old or the mirror contains the old.
13:43 < Davitelj> hm
13:43 < netrunner> do you maybe have a md5sum of cd1?
13:43 < Davitelj> how to calculate md5 checksum in windows
13:44 < Davitelj> i downloaded it from here
13:44 < Davitelj> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/stable/2.0.0-camp/desktop/drock-2.0.0-camp-rev1045-x86-pentium-mmx_cd1.iso
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13:45 < Davitelj> hi tcr
13:45 < tcr> Hi Davitelj. Did you already test the new -rc1 iso?
13:46 < netrunner> Davitelj: https://downloads.activestate.com/contrib/md5sum/Windows/md5sum.exe
13:46 < tcr> moin netrunner :)
13:46 < netrunner> hi tcr
13:46 < tcr> I hope I wasn't too rude to you yesterday
13:46 < Davitelj> what rc1 iso?
13:47 < netrunner> tcr: never mind, I was in a mad mood too :)
13:47 < tcr> Davitelj: There's a new -rc1 iso which should fix the common bootdisk problem (which you too suffered from)
13:48 < tcr> Davitelj: Are subscribed to the mailing list?
13:48 < netrunner> tcr: I guess the -camp iso is the first version that rene produced. he put a new (bootable) version on my camp ftp, but unfortunately I had to give the storage back yesterday so I cannot compute my md5sum from those iso.
13:48 < Davitelj> no i am not
13:48 * netrunner tries to compute md5sum from /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 ... hope that works.
13:49 < netrunner> https://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/rock/drock-2.0.0-rc1-rev1165-x86-pentium-mmx-cd1.iso                                                                                                         
13:49 < tcr> Davitelj: Well, you should ;)
13:49 < Davitelj> fed87756b1621c1f068dbeee7903e8c1 1st cd
13:49 < netrunner> maybe that is bootable, but havent checked yet.
13:49 < Davitelj> i havent ever used rock linux:)
13:49 < Davitelj> i am migrating from slackware
13:49 < Davitelj> fed87756b1621c1f068dbeee7903e8c1 2nd cd
13:50 < tcr> Davitelj: Wait
13:51 < Davitelj> ok
13:51 < netrunner> Davitelj: something's wromg there, you have the same md5sum on 1st and 2dn cd?
13:51 < Davitelj> i know
13:51 < Davitelj> wait
13:52 < Davitelj> it did not copy^paste correctly
13:52 < Davitelj> i am typing it now
13:52 < tcr> Davitelj: What isos did you download?
13:52 < Davitelj> 5a30f17df5168045d69bcb3e6d61b49f
13:53 < Davitelj> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/stable/2.0.0-camp/desktop/drock-2.0.0-camp-rev1045-x86-pentium-mmx_cd1.iso
13:53 < Davitelj> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/stable/2.0.0-camp/desktop/drock-2.0.0-camp-rev1045-x86-pentium-mmx_cd2.iso
13:53 < tcr> and you can't boot with the first one, right?
13:53 < Davitelj> yes
13:53 < Davitelj> no
13:53 < Davitelj> i can boot
13:53 < Davitelj> but it says kernel panic
13:54 < tcr> Yeah, I actually meant install ;)
13:54 < tcr> rsync -vP rsync://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/public/ftp/rock/stable/2.0.0-camp/desktop/drock-2.0.0-camp-rev1045-x86-pentium-mmx_cd1.iso the-already-downloaded-file
13:54 < Davitelj> :)
13:54 < Davitelj> is there rsync for the w32
13:54 < tcr> according to rxr, that should fix your first CD, so that you'll be able to install it
13:54 < Davitelj> thnx
13:54 < tcr> Hmm, yes. At least for cygwin
13:55 < Davitelj> ok
13:55 < tcr> Davitelj: Well, if you don't care for bandwith etc, then it might be easier to just download the new -rc1 iso
13:56 < netrunner> Davitelj: a minimal cygwin with rsync guide: https://optics.ph.unimelb.edu.au/help/rsync/rsync_pc1.html
13:56 < Davitelj> hmmm... dial-up??
13:56 < Davitelj> :)
13:57 < tcr> Well, then ...
13:57 < Davitelj> dial up and the 500 MB i dont think so
13:57 < netrunner> Davitelj: so maybe follow that guide, then you'll have rsync for windows. (never tried myself, just found with google, as md5sum.exe)
13:57 < Davitelj> feew days agi i had cable of 256k
13:57 < Davitelj> thnx netrunner
13:57 < tcr> do an rsync, that will download only a few kbytes (because rsync does binary-diffing)
13:58 < Davitelj> one more thing, why is there so big size mismatch
13:58 < Davitelj> in rc1 and the one i downloaded
13:58 < netrunner> 7c60733d433ee000fb680915e37cbb63  2.0.0-rc1-x86-pentium-mmx-32-desktop-expert.cd1.iso
14:00 < netrunner> but I do not know if that is reliable, since that is the md5sum after burning, cat /dev/cddevice > bla.iso; md5sum bla.iso
14:01 < tcr> Hmm, no idea. I'd say it isn't, but that's just a guess
14:02 < Davitelj> ok
14:02 < tcr> Davitelj: my last sentence was directed to netrunner.. ;)
14:03 < rxr> Davitelj: the size difference is because the -camp version was "optimized" to be given away on over-sized 80min CDs ...
14:03 < rxr> Davitelj: the -rc1 consists of 3 CDs ...
14:04 < Davitelj> oh
14:04 < Davitelj> where can i find all three to download
14:04 < rxr> but the total size is nearly the same
14:04 < rxr> Davitelj: they are currently being synced over my DSL line
14:05 < rxr> they will show up there when they finished - and they will be moved in the usual offical ISO tree when some other people verified it to work ok ...
14:05 < rxr> the -rc2 will be finished in aprox. 2 hours ...
14:05 < rxr> errr -cd2 ...
14:06 < Davitelj> ok
14:06 < Davitelj> and cd3?
14:07 < tcr> Damn, I'm too dumb to create a regexp which matches "everything except for semicolon"
14:07 < rxr> the cd3 is not that big - maybe the cd3 will be there in 4-5 hours (counted from now) - I push them over a 256kBit/s line ...
14:07 < Davitelj> ok
14:07 < rxr> does [^;]* not work ?
14:07 < Davitelj> where from are you downloadeing it
14:08 < Davitelj> links plz
14:08 < rxr> Davitelj: hm?
14:08 < Davitelj> in an 1/2 hour i will be on 256k connection
14:08 < tcr> rxr: Nope...
14:09 < rxr> tcr: seems to work here - have you some test data ?
14:09 < rxr> Davitelj: I'm _uploading_ it ...
14:09 < starlord> what's the easiest method to temporary change kernel options for building?
14:09 < rxr> echo "a2.?;asdf" | sed "s/[^;]*//"
14:09 < rxr> ;asdf
14:10 < tcr> starlord: How do you mean
14:11 < Davitelj> rxr: you are uploading it on the rocklinux ftp? who are you?
14:11 < starlord> ide-scsi is broken in 2.6 i want it to disable that and modify other options as well(usb to module),etc...
14:12 * starlord wants to get dvd-rw to work
14:12 < rxr>  /whois rxr should we of help ;-)
14:13 < Davitelj> i see you are rene and your host but id does not help me
14:13 < daja77> rxr is the current rocklinux magician
14:13 < Davitelj> :)
14:13 < Davitelj> oh
14:13 < Davitelj> i see
14:14 < daja77> bow before hm ;-)
14:14 < daja77> him
14:14 < rxr> nah
14:14 < daja77> hmm sacrifizing a black goat would be better ...
14:15 < rxr> Davitelj: it would be nice if you could use the rsync command to update your first -camp ISO and report if this one works for you
14:15 < rxr> you can then still download -rc1 and report on this one seperately ,-)
14:16 < rxr> Davitelj: btw. have you already subscribed to the rock-linux mailing list ?
14:16 < Davitelj> no
14:16 < Davitelj> :)
14:16 < Davitelj> when i manage to install it
14:16 < Davitelj> i will subscribe
14:16 < Davitelj> not till then
14:18 < daja77> may I ask where are you from?
14:19 < Davitelj> who? me?
14:19 < daja77> yepp
14:19 < Davitelj> yugoslavia
14:19 < Davitelj> serbia and montenegro
14:20 < daja77> you are the second from that region who stopped by here, welcome
14:20 < Davitelj> thnx
14:20 < Davitelj> who was the first one?
14:20 < daja77> hmm forgot that nicks, sorry
14:20 < tcr> starlord: You can use your own kernel .config
14:20 < daja77> -s
14:20 < starlord> tcr:?
14:21 < starlord> tcr:you mean by like "normal" building and not to use Build-Pkg?
14:22 < tcr> starlord: take a look at ./scripts/Config, there's a facility to customize your kernel config
14:22 < starlord> tcr:yeah but it doesnt work
14:22 < starlord> tcr:sure you can modify options but it doesnt save new values
14:23 < Davitelj> what to type for rsync again?
14:23 < starlord> rsync -vP rsync://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/public/ftp/rock/stable/2.0.0-camp/desktop/drock-2.0.0-camp-rev1045-x86-pentium-mmx_cd1.iso the-already-downloaded-file
14:23 < starlord> ?
14:23 < starlord> this one?
14:23 < Davitelj> yup
14:23 < Davitelj> thnx
14:24 < Davitelj> rxr: got  jabber?
14:24 < tcr> starlord: I'm not sure I understand you. What do you want/need exactly?
14:25 < rxr> Davitelj: nope I do not use any Instant Messager ...
14:25 < starlord> tcr:i want to customize .config file for kernel little bit,but ./scripts/Config doesnt work for this,then i tryed to modify /config/default/linux.cfg but get re-generated,
14:25 < Davitelj> how much does the blank cd's verbatim datalife plus cost around there?
14:26 < Davitelj> i am intereested in any part of the world
14:26 < Davitelj> here it is $0.75 
14:27 < starlord> rxr:i got problems in ide-scsi driver (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI),and i think it can be safely marked as disable module to 2.6
14:27 < daja77> can't tell
14:28 < rxr> daja77: I think arround this or a bit less here in germany ...
14:28 < starlord> its around 1€ in here
14:28 < rxr> ok - well we also count in ? (EUR) ...
14:29 < daja77> guess that, but /me don't know the prizes of a specific brand, it differs from store to store sometimes
14:30 < Davitelj> starlord say again after 1 it is black square
14:30 < starlord> 1 EUR
14:30 < Davitelj> wow
14:30 < daja77> i can get 10 for 2.99 euro ...
14:30 < daja77> not verbatim, but who cares
14:31 < rxr> I also only buy cheap no-name ones - since cdrecord under Linux with my Yamaha SCSI writer does not write my favourite TDKs anymore ...
14:31 * daja77 sick of this advertising labeling of cds which hiding all the relevant information
14:32 < Davitelj> if I buy 200 cd's i can get it for 0.304*200
14:32 < daja77> well the 2.99 for 10 was with slim cases
14:32 < Davitelj> this too
14:32 < starlord> plaah,it costs 10pcs 10 eur and they are 80Min
14:33 < daja77> hehe rxr has a yamaha scsi writer, just like me (even if not used atm)
14:33 < daja77> gb is expensive
14:33 < Davitelj> i have liteon 52/24/52 IDE
14:34 < daja77> you should burn our cds on 20c3
14:34 < Davitelj> what box's are you running, i have amd duron 850 with gigabyte ga 7zxe  512 mb sdram pc 133, 20 gb hdd, ati radeon 7500
14:35 < esden> hi all
14:35 < daja77> hi esden 
14:35 < Davitelj> hi esden
14:35 < esden> we need a burn robot on 20C3 ;-)
14:35 < daja77> the specs of my machines should be in rocklinux faq ;-)
14:36 < Davitelj> :))))
14:36 < netrunner> yes, another dic^D^D^Dbox comparison thread :)
14:36 < rxr> maybe we have pressed CDs arround that time ...
14:37 < daja77> ah netrunner, waterworld is down since yesterday ;-)
14:37 < daja77> btw there are no threads on irc ...
14:38 * daja77 have to check for pressed cd prizes anyway, can tell you the results
14:38 < netrunner> daja77: sure?
14:38 * daja77 testing again
14:39 < netrunner> daja77: there is always some 10 minutes when I get disconnected and a new ip. but it should still work, even yesterday.
14:39 < daja77> i wanted to show a friend our sushi plates, but got no response
14:40 * tcr is da best, he gets every programm core dumped. Even grep 8)
14:40 < daja77> i guess rxr is in recent c't
14:41 < daja77> on a picture showing the openbsd tent on the camp
14:41 < rolla> re
14:42 < daja77> hi rolla 
14:42 < daja77> netrunner: the operation timed out ...
14:42 < netrunner> daja77: now? 
14:43 < netrunner> daja77: I can connect to myself from the uni ... sure you have the correct address?
14:43 < daja77> think so
14:43 < Davitelj> i rsynced it
14:43 < jsaw> bbl
14:44 < Davitelj> i am now gonna try it
14:44 < netrunner> daja77: https://waterworld.dyndns.org
14:44 < daja77> yeah
14:44 < netrunner> daja77: did it say that he had to sync something?
14:44 < netrunner> s/daja77/Davitelj/
14:45 < daja77> bbl
14:45 < netrunner> daja77: can you ping me or resolve my ip?
14:46 < daja77> yes ping'ing works
14:46 < Davitelj> it said it wrote 
14:46 < Davitelj> sopme bytes
14:47 < daja77> ip is  80.128.42.202
14:47 < daja77> ?
14:47 < tcr> echo -e "1. foo();\n2. foo2()" > /tmp/test
14:47 < tcr> how do I grep for the second line (without the semicolon)
14:47 < netrunner> yes, fits. weird. as I said, I can connect to my apache from the uni (using w3m).
14:48 < rxr> daja77: I also though that it might be me on the lt picture ...
14:48 < tcr> grep 'foo[^;]*' /tmp/test doesn't work here
14:49 < daja77> the pictures weren't that great, for a big magazine like that
14:50 < Davitelj> ok
14:50 < netrunner> daja77: I like the picture of my car on the bottom right side ;)
14:50 < Davitelj> now i am gonna try this
14:50 < netrunner> daja77: much luck
14:50 < Davitelj> if it works i wont be back till install it
14:51 < Davitelj> if it doesn;t work i wil be here in 2 minutes
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14:52 < daja77> netrunner: lol
14:52 < daja77> guess you don't like irssi's tab completion
14:52 * daja77 now off for shower
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15:11 < jsaw> re
15:16 < rxr> hi jsaw 
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15:31 < rxr> linux-2.4.22 release
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15:39 < jsaw> rxr: another round of kernel updates... hehe
15:39 < jsaw> rxr: apropos updates.
15:40 < rxr> jsaw: yes?
15:40 < jsaw> rxr: what do you think about gnome2. I guess we won't be finished with 2.0 before gnome 2.4 comes out. Should I start trying gnome 2.3 (in my private working copy)?
15:40 < starlord> rxr:any details when ./scripts/Config works again(kernel options modify)?
15:40 < jsaw> (release date is beginning of September)
15:42 < rxr> starlord: I take a look now ...
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15:43 < rxr> jsaw: do you use Gnome2? Would you take Gnome2 officially - as real maintainer ?
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15:44 < jsaw> rxr: well, after mike is gone.... I use gnome2 heavily, so, yes.
15:44 < starlord> rxr:otherwise it works fine,but it doesnt save the modifed values,so i guess it's not huge bug
15:45 < starlord> heh,kernel.org went down,just after releasing new version
15:49 < rxr> starlord: nope - it is the desktop target overwriting the values each config iteration ...
15:49 < rxr> starlord: I need move some things arround
15:50 < rxr> jsaw: ok - so it is up to your decision which way makes more sense
15:50 < jsaw> rxr: reminds me of my boss: "do whatever you want, but remember, I'll kick your ass if it doesn't work..."
15:51 < jsaw> ;-)
15:51 < rxr> hehe
15:52 < rxr> but at least fixing the two build errors before going gnome 24 would be nice ...#
15:52 < jsaw> rxr: known issues. ->
15:52 * jsaw needs time machine
15:53 < starlord> btw. whats the interval for mirros to check new packages?
15:53 < starlord> from main site
15:54 < starlord> i got few dowload errors because of this,it would be cool if the package isnt there it takes it off from original author
15:54 < starlord> or main site
15:55 < daja77> kernel update, /me hates it
15:56 < jsaw> starlord: ooh, it would be nice, otoh, it's a developers feature to download from the original site and should stay that way (packages sometimes change without changeing version and the like, additional network congestion...)
15:56 < jsaw> (my 0.02 ECent)
15:58 < jsaw> starlord: esp. download problems with original download sites (and ppl asking about it) was the problem, why the "-mirror none" option was removed from ./scripts/Download...
16:00 < rxr> starlord: jsaw: it is already in flyspary to fall back to the orignial site ...
16:00 < rxr> starlord: svn up - and you should be able to specify kernel options ...
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16:02 < cchamilt> Hello
16:02 < daja77> hi cchamilt 
16:03 < cchamilt> I've been working on making a rock target that is a general installer
16:03 < daja77> hm?
16:03 < cchamilt> Has anyone tried placing parse-config in a target?
16:04 < cchamilt> It seems to work, but Build-Pkg spews something concerning
16:04 < daja77> no wasn't necessary for me
16:05 < cchamilt> Well to make an installer, you have to modify root for all packages
16:05 < cchamilt> var_insert prefix " " "opt/postcursor"
16:05 < cchamilt> var_remove prefix " " "usr"
16:05 < cchamilt> var_insert prefix_auto " " "0"
16:06 < daja77> why you can specify a root for mine
16:07 < cchamilt> Build-Pkg does ./scripts/Build-Pkg: [: too many arguments in the middle of the main output
16:07 < cchamilt> it is a source install
16:07 < cchamilt> ie. no mine
16:07 < daja77> so you write a src installer ?
16:08 < cchamilt> it is to install a set of packages in a real chroot on a pre-installed system.
16:08 < daja77> scripts/Emerge-Pkg exists ...
16:09 < cchamilt> Um, no it is a set of packages, kind of like a full target - only it builds on a live system and doesn't include a build chain result.
16:10 < daja77> i still don't get the point of this
16:10 < cchamilt> It is so that I can place a set of packages cleanly on something crappy like redhat
16:11 < cchamilt> To do that, I need to isolate libraries, etc. from their cruft.
16:11 < daja77> hmm ok, but you could do Emerge-Pkg on rh too afaik
16:12 < cchamilt> Anyway, I was hoping rxr could help me debug why Build-Pkg is breaking.
16:12 < cchamilt> Or at least suggest where I can look as it is outside of any log.
16:12 < daja77> oh didn't want to disturb
16:12 < rxr> cchamilt: I just took a look into the code - and can not see why it should not work for a target parse-config file ...
16:13 < cchamilt> Yeah, it looks correct to me too.
16:13 < cchamilt> It is parse-config though, I comment out my var_* and it works fine.
16:14 < cchamilt> Any suggestion on what I can look at besides running Build-Pkg in my head?
16:15 < rxr> cchamilt: I just test - mom
16:17 < rxr> hm - for me here a simply parse-config in my desktop target (just added for testing)
16:17 < rxr> works just fine:
16:17 < rxr> rene@idefix:~/develop/rock/rock-linux$ cat target/desktop/parse-config
16:17 < rxr> prefix="opt/$pkg"
16:17 < rxr> set_confopt
16:17 < cchamilt> Hmm.  Maybe it is the specific vars
16:18 < rxr> a quick flac build installed the package fine under /opt/flac ...
16:18 < rxr> yes - should be a typo or so in your file ...
16:18 < cchamilt> OK, I will keep looking then.
16:18 < cchamilt> Thanks.
16:18 < rxr> the target parse-config files are treated as every other parse-config file is
16:19 < cchamilt> Yeah.
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16:21 < daja77> wb safedin 
16:21 < safedin> hey daja77
16:25 < cchamilt> OK my goofyness prefix_auto as a var_insert list was breaking its eval somewhere I guess, so just prefix_auto=0 is enough.
16:26 < rxr> starlord: if you still work on you kernel config - do yet again a svn up; I just improved the code I committed half an hour ago ...
16:28 < starlord> rxr:damm you are fast,i havent even got the first one out.
16:32 < starlord> and it works,thanks
16:35 < daja77> rxr: btw saw an add bug in konqueror last night, if you use it as a file browser 8which i normally don't do) the tree doesn't get updated when the directory is changed
16:35 < daja77> dunno if it still persists in later builds than beta6
16:36 < Freak> hmmm
16:36 < Freak> same in nautilus
16:36 < daja77> cool are they copying bug now
16:36 < Freak> nautilus even changes the displayed dir to / when you switch around directories in the tree view
16:36 < Freak> heh
16:37 < Freak> :D
16:37 < Freak> penguins are cool :)
16:38 < Freak> just watching some movie about the antarctic(sp?) on Zzdf
16:38 < Freak> ah, pitty Aard isnt here :)
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17:00 < dennis> re
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17:04 < uppo> exit
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17:17 < rxr> starlord: there is a piece missing in drock now - momemnt
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17:27 < jsaw> bbl, cu l8r
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17:34 < christ|an> hi hi 
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17:48 < Mike1> moin
17:49 < daja77> hi Miguel
17:52 < Mike1> hello Daniel
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19:01 < starlord> does rockplug has usb support broken or what? i get lots of cant find modules when it starts usb....
19:02 < SMP> which modules?
19:04 < starlord> ehci-hcd,ohci-hcd.uhci-hcd
19:05 < SMP> are you running 2.6 perchance?
19:05 < starlord> yep
19:05 < starlord> :)
19:06 < SMP> ah, these don't exist in 2.6 anymore. the errors do no harm, but you can disable them in /etc/conf/usb
19:06 < SMP> I use USB_HCD="ehci-hcd ohci-hcd" USB_HCI=""
19:07 < starlord> ok,thanks
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19:45 < holyolli> moin
19:45 < daja77> moin holyolli 
19:45 < holyolli> hi daja77
19:55 < rxr> re
19:55 < holyolli> hi rxr
19:56 < rxr> the -rc1 desktop ISO is now synced ...
20:03 < daja77> hmm
20:30 < rxr> hm ?
20:31 < safedin> hmm
20:31 < daja77> sort of don't like the idea of reducing rock to desktop
20:33 < rxr> but generic is not that different - clifford even thought about rm -rf the generic target - which I did not liked ...
20:33 < rxr> maybe a selected server target (without kde/gnome) would be of use in contrast to the desktop one
20:33 < daja77> maybe we should make them different
20:34 < rxr> what should generic include then ?
20:34 < netrunner> the generic target could be named skeleton 
20:34 < daja77> what about the idea of a general purpose distro, which generic imo should be
20:35 < daja77> i mean this would make sense, if you really throw out lots of the server stuff out of desktop
20:36 < rxr> the server packages are not that many packages - and I need them in drock ...
20:36 < netrunner> rxr: don't tell me now you're talking about apache for svn? *g*
20:36 * netrunner hides
20:37 < daja77> hmm why not relabel desktop as generalö purpose and make it default, so you can throw out generic if you like
20:37 < daja77> but i don't think it is good to preset rock scripts to generic target and then don't provide isos for this
20:37 < daja77> not good i mean
20:38 < daja77> oh no forget the change
20:38 < netrunner> so why not provide isos? no space?
20:38 < rxr> daja77: I would not rm generic. It is a vanilla configuration of ROCK and stay for reference (IMHO) - dRock already applies modifications (and maybe more in the future)
20:39 < rxr> netrunner: the space is the tinier problem - I think more about the incomming bandwith I might be killed for ...
20:39 < daja77> my point is just that there should be isos for the preset target, whichever that might be
20:39 < netrunner> rxr: generic is like a skeleton for a target, no? so name it like that, and keep desktop as default, and a server target as second option.
20:40 < daja77> generic is the target which builds all packages which enable themselves, it has no private package selection as a target
20:41 < rxr> hm - ok maybe it shoudl stay as it is - and wait if my uni is at some point kicking me for the bandwith
20:41 < netrunner> daja77: yes, it's the simplest target possible.
20:41 < daja77> rxr: I could host my isos at Localhero's if you like?
20:42 < rxr> the idea is that we have official ISOs - and a official generic or minimal ISO should be in the official tree ...
20:42 < daja77> hmm ok
20:42 < daja77> will add kdemultimedia and gnupg, and can upload them tomorrow
20:43 < rxr> daja77: please tested ....
20:44 < daja77> ok so expect the upload later that week
20:44 < rxr> yes *g* - thanks ;-)!!
20:44 < daja77> np, /me looking forward to his new installs
20:45 < daja77> btw rtrock should be ready too ...
20:45 * christ|an will go to bead no0w
20:45 < christ|an> night aet all
20:46 < daja77> but the don't have to be official
20:46 < daja77> n8 christ|an 
20:46 < rxr> daja77: btw - clifford and both agreed that such a big RT target does not really meat the normal target audience (and cost yet another 1.5GB of traffic
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20:47 < rxr> daja77: would it be ok if we have a generic target - to make it really an embedded package selection ?
20:48 * netrunner considers starting a new build
20:49 < daja77> hard to do, cos everybody has different ideas about what he needs in it, think it that way, that we need this for machine control (where windows *shudder* is used too) and that you can use it as development platform
20:50 < daja77> but as i said, it doesn't have neccessarily to be hosted on rocklinux.org, maybe Localhero has some space for it
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20:53 < rxr> daja77: it is not a space thing (just traffic - and only the incomming one) - but also not only this
20:53 < martin> Hi all
20:53 < daja77> hi martin 
20:54 < rxr> it is a "it should be an embedded target" definition - rip out the server and the most animated desktop stuff - X is ok (for some applications) - but KDE and GNOME?
20:54 < martin> I look for a install disc. Is there one for rock 2.0 ?
20:54 < martin> hi daja77, hi rxr
20:54 < daja77> the control application is written in qt ...
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20:55 < rxr> and is only the default - if a company is insane enought it could still enable gnome or kde again ...
20:55 < rxr> hi martin 
20:55 < rxr> martin: you mean a real floppy disk (not CD) for very old boxes?
20:55 < martin> rxr: yes :-)
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20:57 < rxr> martin: theoretically yes - but they are reported to have not worked some days ago
20:57 < rxr> martin: I think I should test them before I give them to you ?
20:58 < tcr> re all
20:58 < dennis> ...my granduncle is a prof at tu frankfurt, i will ask him for space/traffic on the tu frankfurt server...
20:58 < martin> rxr: Hmm, you will test it in the next 10 minutes? *fg*
20:59 < daja77> rxr: i can throw out kde & gnome for the official builds if that is your concern
20:59 < rxr> no - but in the next 2 hours migbht be possible?
20:59 < rxr> daja77: maybe the minimal+xfree package selection + qt ?
21:00 < rxr> martin: do you need them in the next ten minutes ?
21:00 < daja77> i will have a look when back at work
21:01 < rxr> I could setup it that way when I merge your patch tonight ...
21:01 < martin> rxr: no, not really. And the bios can boot cdrom, too. But it does not make it. I install a other CD-ROM, then I come back ... mom
21:03 < daja77> is there a window manager which has an equal session management like kde?
21:03 < rxr> martin: nope - no need
21:03 < rxr> martin: the box boots an old dRock - 1.4/1.6 CD ?
21:03 < rxr> martin: then you do not need to replace the drive - just the BIOS is too buggy ...
21:04 < tcr> daja77: What's session management under kde?
21:04 < daja77> restoring all apps you have run before shutting down kde
21:04 < daja77> when shutting
21:04 < daja77> still crap sentence
21:05 < tcr> Ah.
21:06 < dennis> daja77: you just mean "save last session"?
21:06 < martin> rxr: there was no Linux installed before. There is always a "no rom basic" massage. :-(
21:06 < tcr> I'm not sure ratpoison has yet implemented that, but I know it was on todo
21:06 < daja77> and restore it when restarted yes
21:06 < dennis> daja77: wmaker e.g.
21:07 < daja77> sure?, must have missed that feature so far
21:07 < rxr> martin: you coudl try your old dRock CDs before you open the case
21:07 < dennis> but, i think you can easily do this in you .xinitrc or .Xdefaults...
21:08 < daja77> presetting is not the same, but might work in this case
21:08 < martin> Will rock 2.0 not boot at old boxes?
21:09 < netrunner> martin: the floppy images don't work. but you can copy the initrd, the kernel and grub to a /boot partition and boot that, then you can take the 2nd stage from cd.
21:09 * netrunner used that to install on his laptop last week
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21:11 < holyolli> re
21:11 < netrunner> hi holyolli 
21:11 < holyolli> hi netrunner
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21:13 < martin> netrunner: thanks - I see... I must still much learn. ;-)
21:16 < netrunner> martin: I could help you with that procedere ... but I am also currently looking at the disks.
21:17 < rxr> re
21:18 < rxr> netrunner: I phoned with Clifford yesterday - and there was no modification on the floopy loader since Clifford implemented and tested it
21:18 < rxr> I'll test the -rc1 floppies I have here - and if they really do not work they will be fixed within some days ...
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21:29 < martin> 1) boot with old cdrom and rock 2.0 = "no rom basic"
21:30 < netrunne1> rxr: I booted the disks once, and the xmmsdisk program (whatever it's name is) complained about the wrong dos version.
21:31 < martin> 2) boot with new cd rom and rock 2.0 = PC starts automatic
21:31 < martin> 3) boot drock 1.4-final = the pc will stop and do nothing
21:32 < netrunne1> martin: so you can use the new cd and rock 2.0-rc1 ?
21:34 < martin> netrunnel: I have test it with a rock 2.0-betaX. The PC reboot every time.
21:34 < tcr> rxr: Hehe
21:35 < tcr> rxr: are you there?
21:37 < martin> netrunnel: Hmm, I'll learning for university. So I have to so s.t. I have time ... so rxr can look for working boot discs, first.
21:38 < netrunne1> martin: cd boot already works ... and  there is even a pcmcia-enabled option pending in the patch queue.
21:38 < netrunne1> martin: I just wrote a disk image and try booting ...
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21:41 < martin> netrunnel: "...  pcmcia-enabled option pending in the patch queue" - *ugs* - my english is ... :-(
21:41 < martin> netrunnel: you have a disk image ?
21:42 < rxr> re
21:42 < netrunne1> hm ... that disk refuses to boot :/
21:43 < tcr> rxr: Would you please so kind and don't reply to owl's mail?
21:43 < netrunne1> ah ... it crossed the river (i/o error)
21:44 < rxr> tcr: why ?
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21:46 < rolla> anyone here running the 2.6 kernel?
21:46 < daja77> hmm haven't received any new mails from owl
21:47 < rxr> ping tcr 
21:47 >>> [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-233.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] requested CTCP VERSION from #rocklinux: 
21:47 < daja77> lol
21:47 < tcr> rxr: wait
21:48 < tcr> I have to hunt a very ugly and very big spider
21:48 < netrunne1> ah ... shouldnt use pc's from hardware assembly lessons ... just remembered the turned datacable on floppy drive phenomen
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21:49 < netrunner> rxr: I just tried a recent floppy image, works fine. I do not know where the error came from that I reported ... maybe some evil bogon emissions :)
21:50 < netrunner> martin: so just try the floppys, should work 8)
21:50 * netrunner is sorry for spreading doubts around bootfloppys and leaves to towards tv
21:51 < daja77> netrunner: to watch what?
21:52 < tcr> bullyparade
21:52 < martin> tcr: thanks for the memory :-)
21:53 < martin> netrunner: where i found it ?
21:54 < rxr> martin: I upload them in a few minutes ...
21:56 < rxr> tcr: you got your spider ?
21:58 < tcr> Nope, but bullyparade just started
21:58 < tcr> let's wait some minutes
22:01 < daja77> tvr ;-)
22:02 < tcr> Uhm, javito wrote to the wrong address
22:02 < tcr> apparantly, I guess
22:06 < tcr> rxr: ok it's commercial break
22:10 < rxr> tcr: you wanted to elaborate on the mail ?
22:10 < rxr> or why we / I should not reply ?
22:10 < tcr> rxr: You should not answer, because you can make it only worse. Although owl is _right_ on most points, she's just too colerical for discussing anything in a proper manner
22:11 < daja77> as always
22:11 < tcr> Rite.
22:11 < daja77> the mail server of my provider is down, so i can't read rlml, *gna*
22:12 < rxr> tcr: why is shre right - in which points ?
22:12 < tcr> mom, telephone
22:13 * daja77 notes that talking to tcr isn't easy too
22:14 < tcr> I'm sorry... a bit busy atm ;)
22:19 < tcr> rxr: some points about the stableness and the fact of "hardly if ever keeping up with a deadline"
22:19 < daja77> what's about that shit about deadlines
22:20 < tcr> Moment, let me express it differently
22:21 < tcr> the period of stablization takes longer than it should
22:23 < tcr> whatever :)
22:24 < daja77> this is no reason to talk such nonsense
22:26 < tcr> daja77: I don't defend her by any means..
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22:27 < daja77> ah rammi, hi
22:27 < rammi> hi.. 
22:28 < rammi> xchat.. has give me strange nick :)
22:29 < christ|an> rammi? i think linux called his cat rammi :) 
22:29 < christ|an> s/linux/linus
22:29 < rammi> :)
22:29 < christ|an> i think i have read this in his book just for fun
22:29 < christ|an> am i right? ;)
22:30 < rammi> i dont known.:)
22:30 < christ|an> hmmm :) 
22:30 < daja77> rammi: there was another guy from yugoslavia here today ;-)
22:30 < rammi> realy.. 
22:30 < rammi> nick?
22:30 < tcr> davidj or something like that
22:31 < christ|an> Ein kyrrmynd (rammi) úr hreyfimynd, kvikmynd eða myndbandi ... Dregur nafn sitt
22:31 < christ|an> af höfundi þess, Linus Torvalds, sem samdi grunnþætti Linux sem nemi í ...  -> translate it :) 
22:31 < daja77> Davitelj, but i forgot your nick so i couldn't tell him
22:32 < rammi> i dont know him.. strange nick for me 
22:32 < daja77> it is nice to have a backlog ;-)
22:32 < tcr> Well, davidj just sounds very like a slawic language ;)
22:33 < daja77> oh man can't you even copy'n'paste a name right?
22:33 < rammi> hehe :)
22:33 < rammi> davitelj
22:34 < tcr> daja77: I wasn't here for some hours (and I shutted down xchat), so my log doesn't go back that far 
22:34 < daja77> why the heck mail server *always* die on sundays
22:35 < daja77> tcr: you could have copied from my quote
22:35 < daja77> servers
22:37 < tcr> daja77: ?
22:37 < rammi> did someone of you try gnome-2.4 beta?
22:38 < rxr> rammi: jsaw wants to work on this the next time ...
22:39 < tcr> daja77: Ah... You see that wrongly. '<tcr> Well, davidj just sounds very like a slawic language ;)' was a response to '<daja77> it is nice to have a backlog ;-)' and should answer the question why I mixed the names up 
22:39 < daja77> hmm I consider it as settled ;-)
22:40 < tcr> idiot :P
22:40 < tcr> +s
22:40 < tcr> as in (we) idiots
22:40 < daja77> you and me in one set, never :P
22:41 < rammi> guys.... stupid fight :)
22:42 < daja77> yeah it is lame
22:42 < daja77> Mike and armijn missing to do that right
22:42 < tcr> Yeah
22:42 < tcr> besides, we never fight, we just quarrel from time to time... for fun
22:44 < rammi> offcurse
22:55 * daja77 now reading list via hp ...
22:55 < rammi> bye
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22:57 < daja77> rxr: I disagree with tcr, you should answer that shit, but not in the same tone 
23:00 < tcr> There is not much to answer. And there's already much too much uproar about it
23:01 < rxr> could someonw enlighten me what bugs in screen she is talking about ?
23:01 < daja77> it should be stated that talking in that way isn't appropriate on that list
23:01 < rxr> I always worked as expected for me all the last years ... ?
23:02 < rxr> /I/it/ ...
23:02 < daja77> *shrug* when she refuses to do bugreports, she can't blame us for not fixing stuff
23:03 < daja77> maybe it was just a matter of her borken lfs system
23:04 < tcr> daja77: (as you'rer eading via the web frontend:) have you read my reply to tsa about that?
23:04 < daja77> hehe yes
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23:05 < daja77> odin.informatica /me has a deja-vu
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23:09 < rammi> hi again :)
23:09 < daja77> wb rammi 
23:09 < rammi> wb?
23:09 < daja77> welcome back ...
23:10 < rammi> ah.. tnx
23:19 < martin> gn8 all and rxr
23:22 < rxr> n8 martin 
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23:36 < daja77> omg xchat seems to top bitchx with stupid statements
23:38 < tcr> Hmm
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