-!- Irrsi  Log opened Mon Aug 25 00:00:25 2003
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[00:44] < rxr> yes - it was the wrong ISO - damn
[00:45] < daja77> ash on you ;-)
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[00:51] < snyke> hmm
[00:51] < snyke> hi dennis.
[00:52] < daja77> gn8 you all
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[01:28] < link_> has anyone an idea who has made the program 'pornview' ???
[01:29] < dennis> don't feed the droll
[01:29] < link_> hi dennis
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[01:32] < rxr> SMP: arround ?
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[01:43] < SMP> rxr: jep
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[02:40] < rxr> ah hi SMP
[02:40] < rxr> (sorry me fixd stone code ...)
[02:40] < rxr> I'll tag -rc1 now ...
[02:41] < rxr> in what timeframe could you checking the first rock-net code? I would even be happy if you could send me a latest tarball and I get this thing rolling ...
[03:16] < SMP> erh
[03:25] < rxr> hi ;-)!
[03:25] < rxr> SMP: could you just mail a current tarball over and I do the rest ;-) ?
[03:39] < SMP> I need to get it (at least a bit) into shape. then I can do the checkin or send it to you - doesn't matter then
[03:39] < rxr> when to you expect the "getting in sape" might be finished?
[03:41] < SMP> some days - cant't be any more specific - personal reasons
[03:50] < rxr> hm - ok
[03:51] < SMP> the question is not so much when it will be finished but rathen when I will start. after that it's done quickly
[04:16] < rxr> ok - n8 ...
[04:16] < SMP> me as well - n8
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[04:38] < mnemoc_> rene: awake?
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[05:51] < jsaw> re
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[06:10] < dennis> moin all
[06:10] < jsaw> tach
[06:10] < dennis> tach jsaw
[06:11] < dennis> working in the early morning really sucks
[06:11] < jsaw> ehem, late in the night here... (before you ask, CET here)
[06:13] < dennis> 0611 AM here ;-)
[06:13] < jsaw> dito
[06:20]   jsaw off now
[06:22] < dennis> cu jsaw
[06:22] < jsaw> cu, bye
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[07:34] < holyolli> moin
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[07:41] < starlord> hi holyolli
[07:41] < holyolli> hi starlord
[07:49] < holyolli> cya
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[08:00] < dennis> damn, i to sleep a few hours - gn8
[08:00] < dennis> s/i/i have
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[08:01] < rxr> mnemoc: now I'm awake for a few minutes ...
[08:03] < starlord> rxr:one of the maintainers of kernel(2.6)?
[08:04] < rxr> yes ...
[08:04] < starlord> rxr:might want to add CONFIG_SIS190 to disable-broken.lst as it doesnt compile here
[08:04] < starlord> err,to 2.6-test4
[08:06] < rxr> done
[08:13] < rxr> ok - me asleep again - only the chimney sweeper woke me up ...
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[10:04] < Davitelj> hi ppl
[10:09] < Davitelj> hey ppl
[10:09] < Davitelj> i need help
[10:11] < Davitelj> is anyone alive?
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[11:31] < fake> rxr: still test-building
[11:31] < fake> rxr: it seems like binutils 2.14.90.0.6 is not happy if built outside the source's root
[11:32] < fake> rxr: and, of course, we either disable the c++-demangler for stages < 2, or include a c++-compiler in gcc's build in stage 0
[11:32] < fake> rxr: i vote for the first
[11:48] < netrunne1> moin
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[12:04] < rxr> fake: ok - so post -rc1 stuff ...
[12:04] < rxr> if you enable the C++ compiler for the cross-compiler you need to test if this works for real cross-builds
[12:04] < rxr> in ancient times this was not possible - but I think nowadays it should work ...
[12:11] < rxr> hehe - KMail seems to get a tiny patch for "New Forgotten atachment detector"
[12:27] < daja77> moin
[12:27] < fake> rxr: i thought so too. i don't want to compile g++ on mips 3 times for a minimal build
[12:28] < fake> rxr: so i will disable the build of the c++ demangler in binutils for stages where the c++ compiler is not yet availible
[12:28] < daja77> hi fake
[12:29] < rxr> fake: hm - on the other hand in 2.1 we want a C++ compiler anyway
[12:30] < rxr> if this works already now - without regressions we should enable it now (maybe with a expert option to disable it ...)
[12:30] < rxr> hi daja77
[12:30] < daja77> hi rxr :)
[12:30] < rxr> daja77: I'm thinking about official ISOs
[12:30] < daja77> hm?
[12:30] < rxr> daja77: maybe we do not need this big generic ISOs since desktop and generic do not differ that much
[12:30] < rxr> daja77: I think it would be of more use if you could supply -minimal builds
[12:31] < daja77> i have about 300 more builds than on desktop
[12:32] < rxr> daja77: yes - but this are not that important packages and maybe not worth the bandwith ?
[12:32] < rxr> I'm going to enable some of this some hundrerd more packages in desktop in the next days anyway ....
[12:33] < daja77> hmm k. but when dektop and generic are identical why we have both
[12:33]   fake testing both combinations of binutils-build (with- and without c++ compiler) and is off again
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[12:37] < daja77> btw could you enable nvidia packages for dektop, there are very useful for desktop users ...
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[12:58] < jsaw> re
[13:04] < daja77> wb jsaw
[13:04] < jsaw> hi daja77
[13:05] < jsaw> wasn't it a bit of a surprise that miguel left?
[13:08] < daja77> yes
[13:09] < jsaw> ;-) (wer etwas zu sagen hat, macht nicht viele worte)
[13:10] < daja77> hehe
[13:10] < daja77> well everything changed for mike ...
[13:11] < jsaw> me curious, what did change (if u r allowed to tell)
[13:11] < daja77> he had no project for which he needed rock, and he was not involved with developing rock, guess that's what made him resign
[13:12] < rxr> well he had this project with chris ...
[13:13] < daja77> which failed
[13:13] < jsaw> rxr: I get a full answer in private from daja77..
[13:13] < jsaw> hi rxr, btw
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[13:15] < rxr> hi jsaw
[13:15] < tcr> moin all; hi rxr
[13:15] < jsaw> rxr: I read it much later, that u tagged rc1...
[13:15] < tcr> rxr: When will there be a new src-tarball in people/rene/stable/src/?
[13:16] < rxr> tcr: when I know that I will not to some boot code modifications later today ...
[13:21] < tcr> ok, /me brb
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[13:31] < starlord> hmm,ide-scsi driver in 2.6 doesnt work
[13:31] < starlord> rxr:you alive? what's the easiest method for temporary change kernel options for building?
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[13:36] < Davitelj> hi ppl
[13:36] < Davitelj> i have trouble installing rock linux
[13:37] < Davitelj> it boots from the CD
[13:37] < Davitelj> and then i just press enter
[13:37] < Davitelj> and it says kernel panic no init found
[13:37] < Davitelj> what to do?
[13:37] < Davitelj> it is 2.0.0 camp version
[13:37] < netrunner> Davitelj: that pentium-mmx desktop build?
[13:38] < Davitelj> yup
[13:38] < Davitelj> drock-2.0.0-camp-rev1045-x86-pentium-mmx_cd1.iso
[13:39] < netrunner> Davitelj: hm ... I already installed that one ... but without booting it. ... just a second.
[13:42] < Davitelj> ?
[13:42] < netrunner> I am trying to boot the cd.
[13:43] < netrunner> I remember that the first isos of those had a boot problem ... which was solved and the isos replaced.
[13:43] < Davitelj> oh
[13:43] < netrunner> maybe you have downloaded the old or the mirror contains the old.
[13:43] < Davitelj> hm
[13:43] < netrunner> do you maybe have a md5sum of cd1?
[13:43] < Davitelj> how to calculate md5 checksum in windows
[13:44] < Davitelj> i downloaded it from here
[13:44] < Davitelj> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/stable/2.0.0-camp/desktop/drock-2.0.0-camp-rev1045-x86-pentium-mmx_cd1.iso
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[13:45] < Davitelj> hi tcr
[13:45] < tcr> Hi Davitelj. Did you already test the new -rc1 iso?
[13:46] < netrunner> Davitelj: https://downloads.activestate.com/contrib/md5sum/Windows/md5sum.exe
[13:46] < tcr> moin netrunner :)
[13:46] < netrunner> hi tcr
[13:46] < tcr> I hope I wasn't too rude to you yesterday
[13:46] < Davitelj> what rc1 iso?
[13:47] < netrunner> tcr: never mind, I was in a mad mood too :)
[13:47] < tcr> Davitelj: There's a new -rc1 iso which should fix the common bootdisk problem (which you too suffered from)
[13:48] < tcr> Davitelj: Are subscribed to the mailing list?
[13:48] < netrunner> tcr: I guess the -camp iso is the first version that rene produced. he put a new (bootable) version on my camp ftp, but unfortunately I had to give the storage back yesterday so I cannot compute my md5sum from those iso.
[13:48] < Davitelj> no i am not
[13:48]   netrunner tries to compute md5sum from /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 ... hope that works.
[13:49] < netrunner> https://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/rock/drock-2.0.0-rc1-rev1165-x86-pentium-mmx-cd1.iso                                                                                                        
[13:49] < tcr> Davitelj: Well, you should ;)
[13:49] < Davitelj> fed87756b1621c1f068dbeee7903e8c1 1st cd
[13:49] < netrunner> maybe that is bootable, but havent checked yet.
[13:49] < Davitelj> i havent ever used rock linux:)
[13:49] < Davitelj> i am migrating from slackware
[13:49] < Davitelj> fed87756b1621c1f068dbeee7903e8c1 2nd cd
[13:50] < tcr> Davitelj: Wait
[13:51] < Davitelj> ok
[13:51] < netrunner> Davitelj: something's wromg there, you have the same md5sum on 1st and 2dn cd?
[13:51] < Davitelj> i know
[13:51] < Davitelj> wait
[13:52] < Davitelj> it did not copy^paste correctly
[13:52] < Davitelj> i am typing it now
[13:52] < tcr> Davitelj: What isos did you download?
[13:52] < Davitelj> 5a30f17df5168045d69bcb3e6d61b49f
[13:53] < Davitelj> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/stable/2.0.0-camp/desktop/drock-2.0.0-camp-rev1045-x86-pentium-mmx_cd1.iso
[13:53] < Davitelj> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/stable/2.0.0-camp/desktop/drock-2.0.0-camp-rev1045-x86-pentium-mmx_cd2.iso
[13:53] < tcr> and you can't boot with the first one, right?
[13:53] < Davitelj> yes
[13:53] < Davitelj> no
[13:53] < Davitelj> i can boot
[13:53] < Davitelj> but it says kernel panic
[13:54] < tcr> Yeah, I actually meant install ;)
[13:54] < tcr> rsync -vP rsync://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/public/ftp/rock/stable/2.0.0-camp/desktop/drock-2.0.0-camp-rev1045-x86-pentium-mmx_cd1.iso the-already-downloaded-file
[13:54] < Davitelj> :)
[13:54] < Davitelj> is there rsync for the w32
[13:54] < tcr> according to rxr, that should fix your first CD, so that you'll be able to install it
[13:54] < Davitelj> thnx
[13:54] < tcr> Hmm, yes. At least for cygwin
[13:55] < Davitelj> ok
[13:55] < tcr> Davitelj: Well, if you don't care for bandwith etc, then it might be easier to just download the new -rc1 iso
[13:56] < netrunner> Davitelj: a minimal cygwin with rsync guide: https://optics.ph.unimelb.edu.au/help/rsync/rsync_pc1.html
[13:56] < Davitelj> hmmm... dial-up??
[13:56] < Davitelj> :)
[13:57] < tcr> Well, then ...
[13:57] < Davitelj> dial up and the 500 MB i dont think so
[13:57] < netrunner> Davitelj: so maybe follow that guide, then you'll have rsync for windows. (never tried myself, just found with google, as md5sum.exe)
[13:57] < Davitelj> feew days agi i had cable of 256k
[13:57] < Davitelj> thnx netrunner
[13:57] < tcr> do an rsync, that will download only a few kbytes (because rsync does binary-diffing)
[13:58] < Davitelj> one more thing, why is there so big size mismatch
[13:58] < Davitelj> in rc1 and the one i downloaded
[13:58] < netrunner> 7c60733d433ee000fb680915e37cbb63  2.0.0-rc1-x86-pentium-mmx-32-desktop-expert.cd1.iso
[14:00] < netrunner> but I do not know if that is reliable, since that is the md5sum after burning, cat /dev/cddevice > bla.iso; md5sum bla.iso
[14:01] < tcr> Hmm, no idea. I'd say it isn't, but that's just a guess
[14:02] < Davitelj> ok
[14:02] < tcr> Davitelj: my last sentence was directed to netrunner.. ;)
[14:03] < rxr> Davitelj: the size difference is because the -camp version was "optimized" to be given away on over-sized 80min CDs ...
[14:03] < rxr> Davitelj: the -rc1 consists of 3 CDs ...
[14:04] < Davitelj> oh
[14:04] < Davitelj> where can i find all three to download
[14:04] < rxr> but the total size is nearly the same
[14:04] < rxr> Davitelj: they are currently being synced over my DSL line
[14:05] < rxr> they will show up there when they finished - and they will be moved in the usual offical ISO tree when some other people verified it to work ok ...
[14:05] < rxr> the -rc2 will be finished in aprox. 2 hours ...
[14:05] < rxr> errr -cd2 ...
[14:06] < Davitelj> ok
[14:06] < Davitelj> and cd3?
[14:07] < tcr> Damn, I'm too dumb to create a regexp which matches "everything except for semicolon"
[14:07] < rxr> the cd3 is not that big - maybe the cd3 will be there in 4-5 hours (counted from now) - I push them over a 256kBit/s line ...
[14:07] < Davitelj> ok
[14:07] < rxr> does [^;]* not work ?
[14:07] < Davitelj> where from are you downloadeing it
[14:08] < Davitelj> links plz
[14:08] < rxr> Davitelj: hm?
[14:08] < Davitelj> in an 1/2 hour i will be on 256k connection
[14:08] < tcr> rxr: Nope...
[14:09] < rxr> tcr: seems to work here - have you some test data ?
[14:09] < rxr> Davitelj: I'm _uploading_ it ...
[14:09] < starlord> what's the easiest method to temporary change kernel options for building?
[14:09] < rxr> echo "a2.?;asdf" | sed "s/[^;]*//"
[14:09] < rxr> ;asdf
[14:10] < tcr> starlord: How do you mean
[14:11] < Davitelj> rxr: you are uploading it on the rocklinux ftp? who are you?
[14:11] < starlord> ide-scsi is broken in 2.6 i want it to disable that and modify other options as well(usb to module),etc...
[14:12]   starlord wants to get dvd-rw to work
[14:12] < rxr> /whois rxr should we of help ;-)
[14:13] < Davitelj> i see you are rene and your host but id does not help me
[14:13] < daja77> rxr is the current rocklinux magician
[14:13] < Davitelj> :)
[14:13] < Davitelj> oh
[14:13] < Davitelj> i see
[14:14] < daja77> bow before hm ;-)
[14:14] < daja77> him
[14:14] < rxr> nah
[14:14] < daja77> hmm sacrifizing a black goat would be better ...
[14:15] < rxr> Davitelj: it would be nice if you could use the rsync command to update your first -camp ISO and report if this one works for you
[14:15] < rxr> you can then still download -rc1 and report on this one seperately ,-)
[14:16] < rxr> Davitelj: btw. have you already subscribed to the rock-linux mailing list ?
[14:16] < Davitelj> no
[14:16] < Davitelj> :)
[14:16] < Davitelj> when i manage to install it
[14:16] < Davitelj> i will subscribe
[14:16] < Davitelj> not till then
[14:18] < daja77> may I ask where are you from?
[14:19] < Davitelj> who? me?
[14:19] < daja77> yepp
[14:19] < Davitelj> yugoslavia
[14:19] < Davitelj> serbia and montenegro
[14:20] < daja77> you are the second from that region who stopped by here, welcome
[14:20] < Davitelj> thnx
[14:20] < Davitelj> who was the first one?
[14:20] < daja77> hmm forgot that nicks, sorry
[14:20] < tcr> starlord: You can use your own kernel .config
[14:20] < daja77> -s
[14:20] < starlord> tcr:?
[14:21] < starlord> tcr:you mean by like "normal" building and not to use Build-Pkg?
[14:22] < tcr> starlord: take a look at ./scripts/Config, there's a facility to customize your kernel config
[14:22] < starlord> tcr:yeah but it doesnt work
[14:22] < starlord> tcr:sure you can modify options but it doesnt save new values
[14:23] < Davitelj> what to type for rsync again?
[14:23] < starlord> rsync -vP rsync://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/public/ftp/rock/stable/2.0.0-camp/desktop/drock-2.0.0-camp-rev1045-x86-pentium-mmx_cd1.iso the-already-downloaded-file
[14:23] < starlord> ?
[14:23] < starlord> this one?
[14:23] < Davitelj> yup
[14:23] < Davitelj> thnx
[14:24] < Davitelj> rxr: got  jabber?
[14:24] < tcr> starlord: I'm not sure I understand you. What do you want/need exactly?
[14:25] < rxr> Davitelj: nope I do not use any Instant Messager ...
[14:25] < starlord> tcr:i want to customize .config file for kernel little bit,but ./scripts/Config doesnt work for this,then i tryed to modify /config/default/linux.cfg but get re-generated,
[14:25] < Davitelj> how much does the blank cd's verbatim datalife plus cost around there?
[14:26] < Davitelj> i am intereested in any part of the world
[14:26] < Davitelj> here it is $0.75
[14:27] < starlord> rxr:i got problems in ide-scsi driver (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI),and i think it can be safely marked as disable module to 2.6
[14:27] < daja77> can't tell
[14:28] < rxr> daja77: I think arround this or a bit less here in germany ...
[14:28] < starlord> its around 1€ in here
[14:28] < rxr> ok - well we also count in ? (EUR) ...
[14:29] < daja77> guess that, but /me don't know the prizes of a specific brand, it differs from store to store sometimes
[14:30] < Davitelj> starlord say again after 1 it is black square
[14:30] < starlord> 1 EUR
[14:30] < Davitelj> wow
[14:30] < daja77> i can get 10 for 2.99 euro ...
[14:30] < daja77> not verbatim, but who cares
[14:31] < rxr> I also only buy cheap no-name ones - since cdrecord under Linux with my Yamaha SCSI writer does not write my favourite TDKs anymore ...
[14:31]   daja77 sick of this advertising labeling of cds which hiding all the relevant information
[14:32] < Davitelj> if I buy 200 cd's i can get it for 0.304*200
[14:32] < daja77> well the 2.99 for 10 was with slim cases
[14:32] < Davitelj> this too
[14:32] < starlord> plaah,it costs 10pcs 10 eur and they are 80Min
[14:33] < daja77> hehe rxr has a yamaha scsi writer, just like me (even if not used atm)
[14:33] < daja77> gb is expensive
[14:33] < Davitelj> i have liteon 52/24/52 IDE
[14:34] < daja77> you should burn our cds on 20c3
[14:34] < Davitelj> what box's are you running, i have amd duron 850 with gigabyte ga 7zxe  512 mb sdram pc 133, 20 gb hdd, ati radeon 7500
[14:35] < esden> hi all
[14:35] < daja77> hi esden
[14:35] < Davitelj> hi esden
[14:35] < esden> we need a burn robot on 20C3 ;-)
[14:35] < daja77> the specs of my machines should be in rocklinux faq ;-)
[14:36] < Davitelj> :))))
[14:36] < netrunner> yes, another dic^D^D^Dbox comparison thread :)
[14:36] < rxr> maybe we have pressed CDs arround that time ...
[14:37] < daja77> ah netrunner, waterworld is down since yesterday ;-)
[14:37] < daja77> btw there are no threads on irc ...
[14:38]   daja77 have to check for pressed cd prizes anyway, can tell you the results
[14:38] < netrunner> daja77: sure?
[14:38]   daja77 testing again
[14:39] < netrunner> daja77: there is always some 10 minutes when I get disconnected and a new ip. but it should still work, even yesterday.
[14:39] < daja77> i wanted to show a friend our sushi plates, but got no response
[14:40]   tcr is da best, he gets every programm core dumped. Even grep 8)
[14:40] < daja77> i guess rxr is in recent c't
[14:41] < daja77> on a picture showing the openbsd tent on the camp
[14:41] < rolla> re
[14:42] < daja77> hi rolla
[14:42] < daja77> netrunner: the operation timed out ...
[14:42] < netrunner> daja77: now?
[14:43] < netrunner> daja77: I can connect to myself from the uni ... sure you have the correct address?
[14:43] < daja77> think so
[14:43] < Davitelj> i rsynced it
[14:43] < jsaw> bbl
[14:44] < Davitelj> i am now gonna try it
[14:44] < netrunner> daja77: https://waterworld.dyndns.org
[14:44] < daja77> yeah
[14:44] < netrunner> daja77: did it say that he had to sync something?
[14:44] < netrunner> s/daja77/Davitelj/
[14:45] < daja77> bbl
[14:45] < netrunner> daja77: can you ping me or resolve my ip?
[14:46] < daja77> yes ping'ing works
[14:46] < Davitelj> it said it wrote
[14:46] < Davitelj> sopme bytes
[14:47] < daja77> ip is  80.128.42.202
[14:47] < daja77> ?
[14:47] < tcr> echo -e "1. foo();\n2. foo2()" > /tmp/test
[14:47] < tcr> how do I grep for the second line (without the semicolon)
[14:47] < netrunner> yes, fits. weird. as I said, I can connect to my apache from the uni (using w3m).
[14:48] < rxr> daja77: I also though that it might be me on the lt picture ...
[14:48] < tcr> grep 'foo[^;]*' /tmp/test doesn't work here
[14:49] < daja77> the pictures weren't that great, for a big magazine like that
[14:50] < Davitelj> ok
[14:50] < netrunner> daja77: I like the picture of my car on the bottom right side ;)
[14:50] < Davitelj> now i am gonna try this
[14:50] < netrunner> daja77: much luck
[14:50] < Davitelj> if it works i wont be back till install it
[14:51] < Davitelj> if it doesn;t work i wil be here in 2 minutes
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[14:52] < daja77> netrunner: lol
[14:52] < daja77> guess you don't like irssi's tab completion
[14:52]   daja77 now off for shower
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[15:11] < jsaw> re
[15:16] < rxr> hi jsaw
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[15:31] < rxr> linux-2.4.22 release
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[15:39] < jsaw> rxr: another round of kernel updates... hehe
[15:39] < jsaw> rxr: apropos updates.
[15:40] < rxr> jsaw: yes?
[15:40] < jsaw> rxr: what do you think about gnome2. I guess we won't be finished with 2.0 before gnome 2.4 comes out. Should I start trying gnome 2.3 (in my private working copy)?
[15:40] < starlord> rxr:any details when ./scripts/Config works again(kernel options modify)?
[15:40] < jsaw> (release date is beginning of September)
[15:42] < rxr> starlord: I take a look now ...
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[15:43] < rxr> jsaw: do you use Gnome2? Would you take Gnome2 officially - as real maintainer ?
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[15:44] < jsaw> rxr: well, after mike is gone.... I use gnome2 heavily, so, yes.
[15:44] < starlord> rxr:otherwise it works fine,but it doesnt save the modifed values,so i guess it's not huge bug
[15:45] < starlord> heh,kernel.org went down,just after releasing new version
[15:49] < rxr> starlord: nope - it is the desktop target overwriting the values each config iteration ...
[15:49] < rxr> starlord: I need move some things arround
[15:50] < rxr> jsaw: ok - so it is up to your decision which way makes more sense
[15:50] < jsaw> rxr: reminds me of my boss: "do whatever you want, but remember, I'll kick your ass if it doesn't work..."
[15:51] < jsaw> ;-)
[15:51] < rxr> hehe
[15:52] < rxr> but at least fixing the two build errors before going gnome 24 would be nice ...#
[15:52] < jsaw> rxr: known issues. ->
[15:52]   jsaw needs time machine
[15:53] < starlord> btw. whats the interval for mirros to check new packages?
[15:53] < starlord> from main site
[15:54] < starlord> i got few dowload errors because of this,it would be cool if the package isnt there it takes it off from original author
[15:54] < starlord> or main site
[15:55] < daja77> kernel update, /me hates it
[15:56] < jsaw> starlord: ooh, it would be nice, otoh, it's a developers feature to download from the original site and should stay that way (packages sometimes change without changeing version and the like, additional network congestion...)
[15:56] < jsaw> (my 0.02 ECent)
[15:58] < jsaw> starlord: esp. download problems with original download sites (and ppl asking about it) was the problem, why the "-mirror none" option was removed from ./scripts/Download...
[16:00] < rxr> starlord: jsaw: it is already in flyspary to fall back to the orignial site ...
[16:00] < rxr> starlord: svn up - and you should be able to specify kernel options ...
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[16:02] < cchamilt> Hello
[16:02] < daja77> hi cchamilt
[16:03] < cchamilt> I've been working on making a rock target that is a general installer
[16:03] < daja77> hm?
[16:03] < cchamilt> Has anyone tried placing parse-config in a target?
[16:04] < cchamilt> It seems to work, but Build-Pkg spews something concerning
[16:04] < daja77> no wasn't necessary for me
[16:05] < cchamilt> Well to make an installer, you have to modify root for all packages
[16:05] < cchamilt> var_insert prefix " " "opt/postcursor"
[16:05] < cchamilt> var_remove prefix " " "usr"
[16:05] < cchamilt> var_insert prefix_auto " " "0"
[16:06] < daja77> why you can specify a root for mine
[16:07] < cchamilt> Build-Pkg does ./scripts/Build-Pkg: [: too many arguments in the middle of the main output
[16:07] < cchamilt> it is a source install
[16:07] < cchamilt> ie. no mine
[16:07] < daja77> so you write a src installer ?
[16:08] < cchamilt> it is to install a set of packages in a real chroot on a pre-installed system.
[16:08] < daja77> scripts/Emerge-Pkg exists ...
[16:09] < cchamilt> Um, no it is a set of packages, kind of like a full target - only it builds on a live system and doesn't include a build chain result.
[16:10] < daja77> i still don't get the point of this
[16:10] < cchamilt> It is so that I can place a set of packages cleanly on something crappy like redhat
[16:11] < cchamilt> To do that, I need to isolate libraries, etc. from their cruft.
[16:11] < daja77> hmm ok, but you could do Emerge-Pkg on rh too afaik
[16:12] < cchamilt> Anyway, I was hoping rxr could help me debug why Build-Pkg is breaking.
[16:12] < cchamilt> Or at least suggest where I can look as it is outside of any log.
[16:12] < daja77> oh didn't want to disturb
[16:12] < rxr> cchamilt: I just took a look into the code - and can not see why it should not work for a target parse-config file ...
[16:13] < cchamilt> Yeah, it looks correct to me too.
[16:13] < cchamilt> It is parse-config though, I comment out my var_* and it works fine.
[16:14] < cchamilt> Any suggestion on what I can look at besides running Build-Pkg in my head?
[16:15] < rxr> cchamilt: I just test - mom
[16:17] < rxr> hm - for me here a simply parse-config in my desktop target (just added for testing)
[16:17] < rxr> works just fine:
[16:17] < rxr> rene@idefix:~/develop/rock/rock-linux$ cat target/desktop/parse-config
[16:17] < rxr> prefix="opt/$pkg"
[16:17] < rxr> set_confopt
[16:17] < cchamilt> Hmm.  Maybe it is the specific vars
[16:18] < rxr> a quick flac build installed the package fine under /opt/flac ...
[16:18] < rxr> yes - should be a typo or so in your file ...
[16:18] < cchamilt> OK, I will keep looking then.
[16:18] < cchamilt> Thanks.
[16:18] < rxr> the target parse-config files are treated as every other parse-config file is
[16:19] < cchamilt> Yeah.
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[16:21] < daja77> wb safedin
[16:21] < safedin> hey daja77
[16:25] < cchamilt> OK my goofyness prefix_auto as a var_insert list was breaking its eval somewhere I guess, so just prefix_auto=0 is enough.
[16:26] < rxr> starlord: if you still work on you kernel config - do yet again a svn up; I just improved the code I committed half an hour ago ...
[16:28] < starlord> rxr:damm you are fast,i havent even got the first one out.
[16:32] < starlord> and it works,thanks
[16:35] < daja77> rxr: btw saw an add bug in konqueror last night, if you use it as a file browser 8which i normally don't do) the tree doesn't get updated when the directory is changed
[16:35] < daja77> dunno if it still persists in later builds than beta6
[16:36] < Freak> hmmm
[16:36] < Freak> same in nautilus
[16:36] < daja77> cool are they copying bug now
[16:36] < Freak> nautilus even changes the displayed dir to / when you switch around directories in the tree view
[16:36] < Freak> heh
[16:37] < Freak> :D
[16:37] < Freak> penguins are cool :)
[16:38] < Freak> just watching some movie about the antarctic(sp?) on Zzdf
[16:38] < Freak> ah, pitty Aard isnt here :)
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[17:00] < dennis> re
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[17:17] < rxr> starlord: there is a piece missing in drock now - momemnt
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[17:27] < jsaw> bbl, cu l8r
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[17:34] < christ|an> hi hi
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[17:48] < Mike1> moin
[17:49] < daja77> hi Miguel
[17:52] < Mike1> hello Daniel
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[19:01] < starlord> does rockplug has usb support broken or what? i get lots of cant find modules when it starts usb....
[19:02] < SMP> which modules?
[19:04] < starlord> ehci-hcd,ohci-hcd.uhci-hcd
[19:05] < SMP> are you running 2.6 perchance?
[19:05] < starlord> yep
[19:05] < starlord> :)
[19:06] < SMP> ah, these don't exist in 2.6 anymore. the errors do no harm, but you can disable them in /etc/conf/usb
[19:06] < SMP> I use USB_HCD="ehci-hcd ohci-hcd" USB_HCI=""
[19:07] < starlord> ok,thanks
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[19:45] < holyolli> moin
[19:45] < daja77> moin holyolli
[19:45] < holyolli> hi daja77
[19:55] < rxr> re
[19:55] < holyolli> hi rxr
[19:56] < rxr> the -rc1 desktop ISO is now synced ...
[20:03] < daja77> hmm
[20:30] < rxr> hm ?
[20:31] < safedin> hmm
[20:31] < daja77> sort of don't like the idea of reducing rock to desktop
[20:33] < rxr> but generic is not that different - clifford even thought about rm -rf the generic target - which I did not liked ...
[20:33] < rxr> maybe a selected server target (without kde/gnome) would be of use in contrast to the desktop one
[20:33] < daja77> maybe we should make them different
[20:34] < rxr> what should generic include then ?
[20:34] < netrunner> the generic target could be named skeleton
[20:34] < daja77> what about the idea of a general purpose distro, which generic imo should be
[20:35] < daja77> i mean this would make sense, if you really throw out lots of the server stuff out of desktop
[20:36] < rxr> the server packages are not that many packages - and I need them in drock ...
[20:36] < netrunner> rxr: don't tell me now you're talking about apache for svn? *g*
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[20:37] < daja77> hmm why not relabel desktop as generalö purpose and make it default, so you can throw out generic if you like
[20:37] < daja77> but i don't think it is good to preset rock scripts to generic target and then don't provide isos for this
[20:37] < daja77> not good i mean
[20:38] < daja77> oh no forget the change
[20:38] < netrunner> so why not provide isos? no space?
[20:38] < rxr> daja77: I would not rm generic. It is a vanilla configuration of ROCK and stay for reference (IMHO) - dRock already applies modifications (and maybe more in the future)
[20:39] < rxr> netrunner: the space is the tinier problem - I think more about the incomming bandwith I might be killed for ...
[20:39] < daja77> my point is just that there should be isos for the preset target, whichever that might be
[20:39] < netrunner> rxr: generic is like a skeleton for a target, no? so name it like that, and keep desktop as default, and a server target as second option.
[20:40] < daja77> generic is the target which builds all packages which enable themselves, it has no private package selection as a target
[20:41] < rxr> hm - ok maybe it shoudl stay as it is - and wait if my uni is at some point kicking me for the bandwith
[20:41] < netrunner> daja77: yes, it's the simplest target possible.
[20:41] < daja77> rxr: I could host my isos at Localhero's if you like?
[20:42] < rxr> the idea is that we have official ISOs - and a official generic or minimal ISO should be in the official tree ...
[20:42] < daja77> hmm ok
[20:42] < daja77> will add kdemultimedia and gnupg, and can upload them tomorrow
[20:43] < rxr> daja77: please tested ....
[20:44] < daja77> ok so expect the upload later that week
[20:44] < rxr> yes *g* - thanks ;-)!!
[20:44] < daja77> np, /me looking forward to his new installs
[20:45] < daja77> btw rtrock should be ready too ...
[20:45]   christ|an will go to bead no0w
[20:45] < christ|an> night aet all
[20:46] < daja77> but the don't have to be official
[20:46] < daja77> n8 christ|an
[20:46] < rxr> daja77: btw - clifford and both agreed that such a big RT target does not really meat the normal target audience (and cost yet another 1.5GB of traffic
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[20:47] < rxr> daja77: would it be ok if we have a generic target - to make it really an embedded package selection ?
[20:48]   netrunner considers starting a new build
[20:49] < daja77> hard to do, cos everybody has different ideas about what he needs in it, think it that way, that we need this for machine control (where windows *shudder* is used too) and that you can use it as development platform
[20:50] < daja77> but as i said, it doesn't have neccessarily to be hosted on rocklinux.org, maybe Localhero has some space for it
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[20:53] < rxr> daja77: it is not a space thing (just traffic - and only the incomming one) - but also not only this
[20:53] < martin> Hi all
[20:53] < daja77> hi martin
[20:54] < rxr> it is a "it should be an embedded target" definition - rip out the server and the most animated desktop stuff - X is ok (for some applications) - but KDE and GNOME?
[20:54] < martin> I look for a install disc. Is there one for rock 2.0 ?
[20:54] < martin> hi daja77, hi rxr
[20:54] < daja77> the control application is written in qt ...
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[20:55] < rxr> and is only the default - if a company is insane enought it could still enable gnome or kde again ...
[20:55] < rxr> hi martin
[20:55] < rxr> martin: you mean a real floppy disk (not CD) for very old boxes?
[20:55] < martin> rxr: yes :-)
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[20:57] < rxr> martin: theoretically yes - but they are reported to have not worked some days ago
[20:57] < rxr> martin: I think I should test them before I give them to you ?
[20:58] < tcr> re all
[20:58] < dennis> ...my granduncle is a prof at tu frankfurt, i will ask him for space/traffic on the tu frankfurt server...
[20:58] < martin> rxr: Hmm, you will test it in the next 10 minutes? *fg*
[20:59] < daja77> rxr: i can throw out kde & gnome for the official builds if that is your concern
[20:59] < rxr> no - but in the next 2 hours migbht be possible?
[20:59] < rxr> daja77: maybe the minimal+xfree package selection + qt ?
[21:00] < rxr> martin: do you need them in the next ten minutes ?
[21:00] < daja77> i will have a look when back at work
[21:01] < rxr> I could setup it that way when I merge your patch tonight ...
[21:01] < martin> rxr: no, not really. And the bios can boot cdrom, too. But it does not make it. I install a other CD-ROM, then I come back ... mom
[21:03] < daja77> is there a window manager which has an equal session management like kde?
[21:03] < rxr> martin: nope - no need
[21:03] < rxr> martin: the box boots an old dRock - 1.4/1.6 CD ?
[21:03] < rxr> martin: then you do not need to replace the drive - just the BIOS is too buggy ...
[21:04] < tcr> daja77: What's session management under kde?
[21:04] < daja77> restoring all apps you have run before shutting down kde
[21:04] < daja77> when shutting
[21:04] < daja77> still crap sentence
[21:05] < tcr> Ah.
[21:06] < dennis> daja77: you just mean "save last session"?
[21:06] < martin> rxr: there was no Linux installed before. There is always a "no rom basic" massage. :-(
[21:06] < tcr> I'm not sure ratpoison has yet implemented that, but I know it was on todo
[21:06] < daja77> and restore it when restarted yes
[21:06] < dennis> daja77: wmaker e.g.
[21:07] < daja77> sure?, must have missed that feature so far
[21:07] < rxr> martin: you coudl try your old dRock CDs before you open the case
[21:07] < dennis> but, i think you can easily do this in you .xinitrc or .Xdefaults...
[21:08] < daja77> presetting is not the same, but might work in this case
[21:08] < martin> Will rock 2.0 not boot at old boxes?
[21:09] < netrunner> martin: the floppy images don't work. but you can copy the initrd, the kernel and grub to a /boot partition and boot that, then you can take the 2nd stage from cd.
[21:09]   netrunner used that to install on his laptop last week
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[21:11] < holyolli> re
[21:11] < netrunner> hi holyolli
[21:11] < holyolli> hi netrunner
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[21:13] < martin> netrunner: thanks - I see... I must still much learn. ;-)
[21:16] < netrunner> martin: I could help you with that procedere ... but I am also currently looking at the disks.
[21:17] < rxr> re
[21:18] < rxr> netrunner: I phoned with Clifford yesterday - and there was no modification on the floopy loader since Clifford implemented and tested it
[21:18] < rxr> I'll test the -rc1 floppies I have here - and if they really do not work they will be fixed within some days ...
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[21:29] < martin> 1) boot with old cdrom and rock 2.0 = "no rom basic"
[21:30] < netrunne1> rxr: I booted the disks once, and the xmmsdisk program (whatever it's name is) complained about the wrong dos version.
[21:31] < martin> 2) boot with new cd rom and rock 2.0 = PC starts automatic
[21:31] < martin> 3) boot drock 1.4-final = the pc will stop and do nothing
[21:32] < netrunne1> martin: so you can use the new cd and rock 2.0-rc1 ?
[21:34] < martin> netrunnel: I have test it with a rock 2.0-betaX. The PC reboot every time.
[21:34] < tcr> rxr: Hehe
[21:35] < tcr> rxr: are you there?
[21:37] < martin> netrunnel: Hmm, I'll learning for university. So I have to so s.t. I have time ... so rxr can look for working boot discs, first.
[21:38] < netrunne1> martin: cd boot already works ... and  there is even a pcmcia-enabled option pending in the patch queue.
[21:38] < netrunne1> martin: I just wrote a disk image and try booting ...
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[21:41] < martin> netrunnel: "...  pcmcia-enabled option pending in the patch queue" - *ugs* - my english is ... :-(
[21:41] < martin> netrunnel: you have a disk image ?
[21:42] < rxr> re
[21:42] < netrunne1> hm ... that disk refuses to boot :/
[21:43] < tcr> rxr: Would you please so kind and don't reply to owl's mail?
[21:43] < netrunne1> ah ... it crossed the river (i/o error)
[21:44] < rxr> tcr: why ?
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[21:46] < rolla> anyone here running the 2.6 kernel?
[21:46] < daja77> hmm haven't received any new mails from owl
[21:47] < rxr> ping tcr
[21:47] >>> [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-233.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] requested CTCP VERSION from #rocklinux:
[21:47] < daja77> lol
[21:47] < tcr> rxr: wait
[21:48] < tcr> I have to hunt a very ugly and very big spider
[21:48] < netrunne1> ah ... shouldnt use pc's from hardware assembly lessons ... just remembered the turned datacable on floppy drive phenomen
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[21:49] < netrunner> rxr: I just tried a recent floppy image, works fine. I do not know where the error came from that I reported ... maybe some evil bogon emissions :)
[21:50] < netrunner> martin: so just try the floppys, should work 8)
[21:50]   netrunner is sorry for spreading doubts around bootfloppys and leaves to towards tv
[21:51] < daja77> netrunner: to watch what?
[21:52] < tcr> bullyparade
[21:52] < martin> tcr: thanks for the memory :-)
[21:53] < martin> netrunner: where i found it ?
[21:54] < rxr> martin: I upload them in a few minutes ...
[21:56] < rxr> tcr: you got your spider ?
[21:58] < tcr> Nope, but bullyparade just started
[21:58] < tcr> let's wait some minutes
[22:01] < daja77> tvr ;-)
[22:02] < tcr> Uhm, javito wrote to the wrong address
[22:02] < tcr> apparantly, I guess
[22:06] < tcr> rxr: ok it's commercial break
[22:10] < rxr> tcr: you wanted to elaborate on the mail ?
[22:10] < rxr> or why we / I should not reply ?
[22:10] < tcr> rxr: You should not answer, because you can make it only worse. Although owl is _right_ on most points, she's just too colerical for discussing anything in a proper manner
[22:11] < daja77> as always
[22:11] < tcr> Rite.
[22:11] < daja77> the mail server of my provider is down, so i can't read rlml, *gna*
[22:12] < rxr> tcr: why is shre right - in which points ?
[22:12] < tcr> mom, telephone
[22:13]   daja77 notes that talking to tcr isn't easy too
[22:14] < tcr> I'm sorry... a bit busy atm ;)
[22:19] < tcr> rxr: some points about the stableness and the fact of "hardly if ever keeping up with a deadline"
[22:19] < daja77> what's about that shit about deadlines
[22:20] < tcr> Moment, let me express it differently
[22:21] < tcr> the period of stablization takes longer than it should
[22:23] < tcr> whatever :)
[22:24] < daja77> this is no reason to talk such nonsense
[22:26] < tcr> daja77: I don't defend her by any means..
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[22:27] < daja77> ah rammi, hi
[22:27] < rammi> hi..
[22:28] < rammi> xchat.. has give me strange nick :)
[22:29] < christ|an> rammi? i think linux called his cat rammi :)
[22:29] < christ|an> s/linux/linus
[22:29] < rammi> :)
[22:29] < christ|an> i think i have read this in his book just for fun
[22:29] < christ|an> am i right? ;)
[22:30] < rammi> i dont known.:)
[22:30] < christ|an> hmmm :)
[22:30] < daja77> rammi: there was another guy from yugoslavia here today ;-)
[22:30] < rammi> realy..
[22:30] < rammi> nick?
[22:30] < tcr> davidj or something like that
[22:31] < christ|an> Ein kyrrmynd (rammi) úr hreyfimynd, kvikmynd eða myndbandi ... Dregur nafn sitt
[22:31] < christ|an> af höfundi þess, Linus Torvalds, sem samdi grunnþætti Linux sem nemi í ...  -> translate it :)
[22:31] < daja77> Davitelj, but i forgot your nick so i couldn't tell him
[22:32] < rammi> i dont know him.. strange nick for me
[22:32] < daja77> it is nice to have a backlog ;-)
[22:32] < tcr> Well, davidj just sounds very like a slawic language ;)
[22:33] < daja77> oh man can't you even copy'n'paste a name right?
[22:33] < rammi> hehe :)
[22:33] < rammi> davitelj
[22:34] < tcr> daja77: I wasn't here for some hours (and I shutted down xchat), so my log doesn't go back that far
[22:34] < daja77> why the heck mail server *always* die on sundays
[22:35] < daja77> tcr: you could have copied from my quote
[22:35] < daja77> servers
[22:37] < tcr> daja77: ?
[22:37] < rammi> did someone of you try gnome-2.4 beta?
[22:38] < rxr> rammi: jsaw wants to work on this the next time ...
[22:39] < tcr> daja77: Ah... You see that wrongly. '<tcr> Well, davidj just sounds very like a slawic language ;)' was a response to '<daja77> it is nice to have a backlog ;-)' and should answer the question why I mixed the names up
[22:39] < daja77> hmm I consider it as settled ;-)
[22:40] < tcr> idiot :P
[22:40] < tcr> +s
[22:40] < tcr> as in (we) idiots
[22:40] < daja77> you and me in one set, never :P
[22:41] < rammi> guys.... stupid fight :)
[22:42] < daja77> yeah it is lame
[22:42] < daja77> Mike and armijn missing to do that right
[22:42] < tcr> Yeah
[22:42] < tcr> besides, we never fight, we just quarrel from time to time... for fun
[22:44] < rammi> offcurse
[22:55]   daja77 now reading list via hp ...
[22:55] < rammi> bye
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[22:57] < daja77> rxr: I disagree with tcr, you should answer that shit, but not in the same tone
[23:00] < tcr> There is not much to answer. And there's already much too much uproar about it
[23:01] < rxr> could someonw enlighten me what bugs in screen she is talking about ?
[23:01] < daja77> it should be stated that talking in that way isn't appropriate on that list
[23:01] < rxr> I always worked as expected for me all the last years ... ?
[23:02] < rxr> /I/it/ ...
[23:02] < daja77> *shrug* when she refuses to do bugreports, she can't blame us for not fixing stuff
[23:03] < daja77> maybe it was just a matter of her borken lfs system
[23:04] < tcr> daja77: (as you'rer eading via the web frontend:) have you read my reply to tsa about that?
[23:04] < daja77> hehe yes
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[23:05] < daja77> odin.informatica /me has a deja-vu
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[23:09] < rammi> hi again :)
[23:09] < daja77> wb rammi
[23:09] < rammi> wb?
[23:09] < daja77> welcome back ...
[23:10] < rammi> ah.. tnx
[23:19] < martin> gn8 all and rxr
[23:22] < rxr> n8 martin
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[23:36] < daja77> omg xchat seems to top bitchx with stupid statements
[23:38] < tcr> Hmm
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