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-!- Irrsi Log opened Tue Aug 26 00:00:43 2003 [00:17] -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAAD7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ninety percent of everything is crap.") [00:24] < daja77> rxr: good reply [00:25] < daja77> btw by reading it there might be a simple solution for rt target [00:27] < daja77> what if i just drop it as a target, the target does nothing than triggering the "enable realtime" button and some package selection anyway [00:28] < daja77> it was made to work with every target, so everybody can just hit the button and do package selection for him/herself [00:29] < daja77> i could do a small iso with the rtai package and patched kernel which could be downloaded to demonstrate its features [00:34] -!- Mike1 [~mike@ip26-62.ct.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux [00:34] < Mike1> re [00:34] < jsaw> hi Mike1 [00:34] < daja77> wb Mike1 ;-) [00:34] < Mike1> hello jsaw [00:34] < jsaw> good that u'r still around [00:35] < Mike1> thank you daja77 [00:35] < Mike1> jsaw: i try to come around every once in a while [00:36] < rxr> hi Mike1 ! [00:36] < Mike1> hello rxr [00:36] < daja77> guess i was a bit offtopic in #woden ;-) [00:36] < rxr> daja77: ACK ! [00:36] Mike1 thanks all people for the kind replies to his retirement mail [00:36] < daja77> ack for what [00:36] < rxr> daja77: the rt patch [00:36] < Mike1> daja77: yeah 1/2 abit [00:37] < rxr> I apply the package part (without the ?00kB patch ... [00:37] < rxr> Mike1: how are you ? [00:37] < Mike1> rxr: i'm very good thank you, and yourself? [00:37] < daja77> ok, so the rt button should be in as well [00:38] < daja77> I only made a target cos this was my first intention, but when esden came up with the idea to be able to apply rt to every target, the rt target was only an empty wrapper [00:39] -!- A-Dur [~questi@dsl-213-023-013-055.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux [00:39] < A-Dur> hi [00:39] < daja77> Mike1: tell me when i start to be offtopic, will stop then [00:39] < dennis> hi A-Dur [00:39] -!- tsa [tsa@pD9588489.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux [00:39] < Mike1> daja77: well i had no problem with our discussion. [00:39] < tsa> hi all. [00:39] < dennis> hi tsa [00:39] < Mike1> hola Sebastian [00:40] < tsa> hi Mike1 [00:40] < daja77> hi tsa [00:40] < rxr> Mike1: aside from strange FUD on the mailing-list quite well ... [00:40] < tsa> hehe [00:40] < Mike1> rxr: you mean owl's mails? [00:41] < rxr> hi tsa [00:41] < rxr> Mike1: yes [00:41] -!- A-Dur [~questi@dsl-213-023-013-055.arcor-ip.net] has left #rocklinux () [00:41] < Mike1> rxr: daja77 just updated me a bit on it, it really sux [00:41] < rxr> Mike1: btw. do you want to stay on the svn commit mail list ? [00:41] < Mike1> rxr: yeah it wil be nice to keep updated, if you don't have a problem with it i would like to be there [00:42] < rxr> Mike1: great! [00:42] < tsa> rxr: got the mail regarding chrony? [00:42] < Mike1> rxr: maybe i can provide some ideas everyonce in a while [00:44] < rxr> chrony ? no - not yet [00:44] < tsa> hm..ok [00:44] < rxr> Mike1: sure - nice [00:45] rxr just debugging some moments ... [00:45] < Mike1> rxr: as i told you the other day i suggest you to let jsaw take over my work for gnome* [00:45] < Mike1> rxr: regarding the 2 targets i maintained, well they are stable so.. [00:46] < rxr> sure - no problem [00:47] < daja77> rxr: which package i have to rebuild in order to get kdemultimedia working? [00:47] < rxr> linux24-header [00:47] < daja77> okis [00:52] < daja77> hmm strange seems not to work [00:53] < daja77> good idea to start a rebuild? [00:53] < rxr> it built here ... [00:53] < rxr> daja77: nope - please take a look why it is still failing [00:53] < rxr> exact error - and check if the linux headers are correct ... [00:54] < daja77> Removing old error logs ... [00:54] < daja77> -> Removing var/adm/logs/5-kdemultimedia31.err ... [00:54] < daja77> chroot: bin/bash: No such file or directory [00:54] < daja77> [00:54] < daja77> Package build ended abnormally! [00:54] < daja77> !> Usually a package build creates eighter a *.log [00:54] < daja77> !> or a *.err file. Neither the 1st nor the 2nd is [00:54] < daja77> !> there. So I'm going to create a *.err file now [00:54] < daja77> !> and abort the build process. [00:54] < daja77> bash-2.05b# [00:54] < daja77> linux24-header doesn't rebuild [00:55] < rxr> no bin/bash? [00:55] < rxr> what have you done ? [00:55] < jsaw> daja77: I usually remove build/*/root/var/adm/logs/[01]-* if that happens. [00:55] < daja77> aha [00:56] < jsaw> rxr: it sometimes happens, but I have no clue... [00:56] < daja77> the errs are already removed, and the script seems to fail to remove it again, which sounds logical to me [00:58] daja77 bangs head against the wall, linux24-headers are not built in stage 5 [01:00] < rxr> nope only once [01:00] < rxr> but where is your bash gone ? [01:00] < daja77> no idea [01:00] < daja77> i haven't removed anything [01:01] < daja77> *aaaaaargh* [01:02] < daja77> no wonder when build dir is empty cos it is now called rc2 >_< [01:04] < daja77> where can i change that [01:04] < rxr> daja77: erhm - you should not use _this_ revision for an official -rc1 iso [01:05] < rxr> could you please swtich to my tag? [01:05] < rxr> (the version is in scripts/parse-config - but PLEASE do not touch this!= [01:05] < rxr> ) [01:05] < jsaw> remove the *rc2*, then move *rc1* to *rc2* [01:05] < daja77> and bein killed by rxr, no ... [01:06] < jsaw> (if u r doing and iso, which is to be released... then of course not) [01:08] < daja77> woohoo subversion rocks [01:10] -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-167.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux [01:11] < daja77> ok i rebuilt all failing packages plu the new ones [01:11] < daja77> plus [01:11] < daja77> rebuild [01:12] < Freak> t [01:12] < Freak> ? [01:12] < Freak> past or present [01:12] < daja77> i still have to do it [01:12] < Freak> will rebuild, am going to.. [01:13] < Freak> *g [01:13] < daja77> temporal typo [01:13] < daja77> well i am starting right now so :P [01:14] < Freak> so you are rebuilding now *runs [01:14] Mike1 needs a bdb-4 package.. anyone can share it with me? [01:14] < Mike1> bdb4.gem file* [01:15] < daja77> Freak: <voice of evil emperor>noone likes a smartass</voice> [01:15] < jsaw> Mike1: gcc-3.3.1 only, want it anyway [01:15] < jsaw> ? [01:15] < daja77> Mike1: you can have mine [01:15] < Freak> daja77: hehehe [01:15] < Mike1> jsaw: no thanks, i already have that one [01:15] < Mike1> daja77: yes where can i download it from? [01:15] < daja77> mom [01:15] < Mike1> daja77: query if you like [01:15] < Freak> daja77: i am in no need of anyone liking me ;) [01:16] < daja77> Freak: you know that movie? [01:16] < Freak> no? [01:16] < Freak> tell me [01:16] < daja77> the empire strikes backyard, watched it at dev meeting [01:16] < Freak> i used to call myself a movie-nerd :) [01:16] < Freak> backyard? never seen.. pitty! [01:16] < daja77> https://www.theforce.net/theater/shortfilms/backyard/ [01:17] < Freak> sweeet [01:18] < daja77> Mike1: https://lospalmos.homelinux.net/mike [01:18] < Freak> dah'nloadink. [01:18] < daja77> could be slow [01:19] < Freak> it is. [01:19] < Mike1> daja77: its ok thanks you so much [01:19] < Freak> daja77: mirrah? [01:19] < daja77> i was talking of my server [01:19] < Freak> whoops. [01:19] < daja77> dunno if the have mirrors [01:19] < daja77> they [01:19] < Freak> tho.. its slow. [01:19] < Freak> anyone? [01:19] < daja77> but wget will manage it ;-) [01:20] < Freak> manage what? [01:20] < Freak> accellerating the download speed? i dont think so :) [01:20] Mike1 started killing daja77's badnwidth [01:20] < daja77> Freak: manage to get it save but slow ;-) [01:20] < daja77> Mike1: enjoy [01:20] < Mike1> daja77: thank you very much my friend [01:21] < Freak> daja77: heh [01:21] daja77 shutting down mutella, so that mike has some bandwith [01:21] < Freak> =) [01:22] < rxr> this is a bad joke [01:22] < rxr> this screen package has quite a broken configure [01:22] < rxr> and this autoconf stuff really stinks [01:22] < Mike1> rxr: owls? [01:22] < rxr> (I have not said this today, right?) [01:22] < rxr> Mike1: nope the one I just have in a PowerPC gdb ... [01:23] < Mike1> rxr: oh. [01:23] < daja77> guess the guy who invented autocnf now lives in another galaxy and is laughing his ass off by watching us using this crap [01:23] < Mike1> daja77: download nearly over [01:23] < rxr> I really really know that the next generation version og GSMP will not contain any auto* crap ... [01:23] < rxr> daja77: <H1>ACK</H1> [01:23] < rxr> + my CSS for <H1> .... [01:23] < daja77> lol [01:24] < rxr> oOoOO [01:25] < Mike1> daja77: ready thanks [01:25] < daja77> *cough* [01:25] < daja77> bash-2.05b# scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg generic -newdelete [01:25] < daja77> Scheduling package '9b521254d8dcfa7ccc603e44ff2a6765' for rebuild ... [01:25] < daja77> No such package: 9b521254d8dcfa7ccc603e44ff2a6765 [01:25] < daja77> bash-2.05b# [01:26] < daja77> Mike1: np [01:26] < Mike1> daja77: enable gnutella again :) [01:26] < daja77> done [01:27] < Mike1> :) [01:27] < daja77> more uploads than downloads today ... [01:28] < Mike1> well.. [01:33] < daja77> O_o just noticed that i just selected pentium optimization, yuck [01:34] -!- safedin [~safedin@nic-29-c98-17.twmi.rr.com] has joined #rocklinux [01:34] < daja77> hope this does no harm [01:35] < daja77> safedin: on which distro you are building rock? [01:35] < safedin> gentoo [01:35] < daja77> hehe the first who tries [01:36] < daja77> so you have a devfs enabled kernel [01:36] < safedin> yes [01:37] < daja77> otherwise the paranoia checks had aborted the build anyway [01:37] < daja77> rxr: ok all borken/new packages are bein built now [01:38] -!- Mike1 [~mike@ip26-62.ct.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") [01:38] < daja77> gn8 you all [01:39] < safedin> night daja77 [01:46] -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-082-082-076-167.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") [01:46] < rxr> good night daja77 [02:05] < Freak> daja77 [02:06] < Freak> dang missed him :) [02:06] < Freak> just saw the "no one likes a smartass" scene :) [02:18] < mnemoc> rxr? [02:18] < mnemoc> (re) [02:19] -!- mnemoc is now known as mnemoc_ [02:20] -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.4.104] has joined #rocklinux [02:21] < tsa> n8 [02:21] -!- tsa [tsa@pD9588489.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("*plopp*") [02:22] -!- mnemoc_ [~chatzilla@200.75.4.109] has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.34 [Mozilla rv:1.5a/20030718]") [02:27] < rxr> hi mnemoc [02:27] < rxr> n8 ts [02:27] < rxr> +a [02:27] < mnemoc> +a? [02:27] < rxr> n8 ts_a_ ;-) [02:27] < mnemoc> :) [02:28] < mnemoc> rxr: have you build bootdisk reciently? [02:29] < mnemoc> here (rh72) -nostdinc is making kiss 'stddef.h: No such file or directory' [02:29] < mnemoc> my problem or bug? [02:33] < rxr> mnemoc: here it built ... [02:33] < rxr> on PowerPC - but it should also have passed the x86 build ... [02:33] < rxr> a th [02:33] < rxr> err rh [02:34] < rxr> then this might be some strange conincidence with the RedHat system [02:34] < rxr> which stage is this error happening ? [02:34] < mnemoc> 1 [02:34] < mnemoc> redhat :) [02:34] < mnemoc> (no dietlibc installed on local system) [02:35] < rxr> ah ok [02:35] < rxr> coudl seems that the wrong headers are used - could you try to look this up ? [02:36] < rxr> alternatively I have still the TODO item: move the regression tester into a dRock-1.4 chroot to track most cross-build old-gcc old-glibc no diet available problems ... [02:37] < mnemoc> how can i see what headers are used? [02:37] -!- clifford [~clifford@M126P012.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux [02:38] < mnemoc> hi clifford [02:38] < mnemoc> nice to see you here [02:39] < clifford> hi. I can't sleep... ;-( [02:40] < rxr> hi clifford ! [02:40] < rxr> mnemoc: the include pathes are mangled in the dietlibc/parse-config* [02:40] < clifford> hi rene. [02:41] < rxr> clifford: I just fixed yet another va_arg issue - this time in screen [02:41] < clifford> ah! is that the bug owl was complaining about? [02:42] < rxr> nope - she was complaining about random lock ups whatever [02:42] < clifford> hmm.... [02:42] < rxr> I found this just when I wanted to cut'n paste the version into the mail [02:42] < rxr> and oops my PowerPC version does not yet a version string .... *bang* [02:43] < clifford> maybe we will find mor such bugs using powerpc. [02:43] < clifford> intel doesn't care about this kind of broken va_args usage, so ... [02:44] < rxr> yep ... [02:44] < rxr> btw i thing your pine fix is not correct [02:44] < rxr> fromthe manpage I think you need to use va_copy to pass a real copy to the printf functon ... [02:47] < clifford> there shouldn;t be any difference between using va_copy or two va_start .. va_end blocks (i think) [02:47] < rxr> clifford: and continue VHDL now ? [02:48] < clifford> no. I'm in my bed downstairs and implementing misc/pkgsel/ .. [02:48] < clifford> ??? nice colored prompts in the server target ??? [02:49] < rxr> clifford: they did cp desktop server [02:49] < rxr> and started the package selection .... [02:51] < rxr> mnemoc: yes - the i2c patch was skipped due to a typo in my latest lx_config change ... [02:51] < rxr> fixed now - revision 1186. [02:51] < mnemoc> cool :) [02:54] < mnemoc> i was trying to find an error on desc's [O], never checked patchfiles loop [02:54] -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@p3EE1E2BF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux [02:57] < rxr> clifford: not only that Valentin and I set together and scheduled the future GSMP work including a BOF every 2-3 weeks, we'll also have gsmp.org soon ... ;-) [03:00] < mnemoc> question: why iproute2 includes dietlibc headers from / instead of $root? [03:00] < clifford> rxr: cool! [03:01] < rxr> mnemoc: this is not intended, so bug -> typo or so ... [03:01] < mnemoc> ok [03:01] < mnemoc> btw, nothing is appended for kiss? [03:01] < mnemoc> s/?/! [03:02] < rxr> no - only the default options - compiled nice on x86 and powerpc and with my fixes to the code also runs (instead of core-dumping) ... [03:02] < rxr> the case in dietlibc/parse-config only appends additional options, the default options are always used and appended/set before and after the case ... [03:05] < mnemoc> i'm quite confused about this... [03:05] < mnemoc> no -I is appended (cmd_wrapper) for kiss [03:05] < rxr> hm [03:06] < mnemoc> stddef.h is on include/linux and tools.cross/include/diet-include [03:06] < mnemoc> what location should i append? diet's? [03:07] < rxr> yes [03:07] < rxr> but the diet stuff should alredy use the diet include [03:07] < rxr> and in parse-config we have: [03:07] < rxr> var_insert CC_WRAPPER_FILTER "|" "sed -e 's,/usr/dietlibc/,$root&,'" [03:09] < mnemoc> how should that sed get reflected on logs? [03:09] < SMP> hmm, nobody likes my tasks in flyspray ;) [03:09] < dennis> gn8 all [03:09] < rxr> SMP: which task do you mean exactly ? [03:10] < rxr> n8 dennis [03:10] -!- dennis [~dennis@pD950E2DF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") [03:10] < rxr> the glibc22 security issue is yours ;-) ... [03:10] < rxr> ah - this reminds me to test sha1 passwords in apache ... [03:10] < mnemoc> brb [03:10] < SMP> yes. I mean all the others [03:10] < rxr> I need to write so many mails ... [03:11] -!- jsaw [~jsaw@pD95069A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [03:11] < rxr> clifford: it is not possible to saeach for creator ? ;-) [03:12] < SMP> clifford: by the way I investigated sysenter. it is supposed to work with linux 2.6 and glibc 2.3 (built against 2.6 headers) - but I can't get glibc to actually use that code [03:12] < SMP> it's there, I see which defines are needed, but no idea yet which is missing [03:13] < clifford> rxr: not yet - you can add it on https://flyspray.rocks.cc/bts/ [03:13] < clifford> SMP: hmm... I didn't try it so far (just seen the defs in the headers some time ago) [03:15] < SMP> on this occasion I made some hacks to compile glibc with NPTL - there is a stupid circular dependency there [03:16] < SMP> you need gcc 3.3 to build NPTL, but to build gcc 3.3 you need a threading lib [03:16] < clifford> rxr: <aol>sie habon post!</aol> [03:16] < SMP> so building linuxthreads in stage 0, NPTL after that [03:17] < clifford> huch? thats .. errr... 1000 hackvalue points for smp .... ;-) [03:18] < SMP> nah [03:18] < jsaw_> SMP: is sysenter code not compiled, or does your cpu not support it? [03:18] -!- jsaw_ is now known as jsaw [03:18] < clifford> #!/usr/bin/perl [03:18] < clifford> $|=1;@_=split//,"Lhnvx\tes Drjuw \@uptwif";for(0..$#_){ [03:18] < clifford> join("",splice(@_,0,$_+1))=~/(.*)/;print"\r$1";splice@_ [03:18] < clifford> ,0,0,split(//,$1);print$_[$_]=chr(ord($_[$_])^($_%8))while [03:18] < clifford> ++$_<=$#_;select(undef,undef,undef,0.25);}print"\n"; [03:19] clifford want to win the LUGA perl contest... ;-) [03:19] < SMP> my manual editing in /usr/include/linux at the right moment to get glibc to build against them is more hackvalue [03:20] < SMP> clifford: is it a JAPH? [03:20] < clifford> JAPH ? [03:20] < clifford> what's that? [03:20] < SMP> Just Another Perl Hacker [03:20] < Ge0rG> ,oO( what is the perl analogy to the obfuscated c contest? -- cpan! ) [03:21] < SMP> JAPH is the art to write obfuscated code that prints this text [03:21] < clifford> It's just some code I wrote today in a free minute at work [03:21] < clifford> It prints out "Linux User Group Austria". [03:21] < SMP> jsaw: the sysenter code does not get compiled [03:22] < SMP> glibc does not support switching between int 0x80 and sysenter [03:22] < clifford> but HOW? that's the question... ;-) [03:22] < clifford> SMP: Doesn't ld-linux.so support loading different libraries depending on the cpu architecture? [03:22] < SMP> but there is a third method in the kernel, vsyscall. is automagically selects int 0x80 or sysenter code depending on the CPU capabilities [03:23] < SMP> however, glibc does not support this yet [03:23] < SMP> but it should be very easy to add. just a call 0xfffff000 or so [03:23] < SMP> the kernel always maps a page with the correct code at that location [03:24] < jsaw> so probably because sysenter is not safe, glibc doesn't support it yet? [03:24] < clifford> does that conform to the ELF standard??? [03:25] < SMP> jsaw: sysenter code is there and is is supposed to compile (and there have been binaries posted) [03:25] < SMP> clifford: no idea. what does the ELF std. have to say about how to make syscalls anyway? [03:25] < jsaw> Mail on LKML: [PATCH] Pentium Pro - sysenter - doublefault [03:25] < rxr> clifford: where does the minimal list come from? Owl's target? [03:26] < SMP> hmm. [03:27] < clifford> rxr: it's target/minimal/config.in plus the TITLE line. [03:27] < rxr> so I should remove the minimal target ? [03:27] < clifford> (just as example - you _might_ want to removethe minial target as such) [03:28] < clifford> that's up to you... [03:28] < clifford> SMP: hmm what? [03:29] < rxr> hehe - but you know what happens when you lay such decisions in my hands ... [03:29] < SMP> clifford: you asked if vsyscalls conforms to the ELF std. [03:31] < clifford> SMP: afaik ELF doesn't say anything about how syscalls should be made (the function argument passing stuff doesn't aplly here) - but elf defines the virtual memory layout for the processes .. [03:32] < clifford> rxr: yes - it means that I can't be blamed for the consequences .... *g* [03:32] < SMP> well I guess it's no problem to map a page at 0xfffff000 [03:32] < SMP> actually that location is somehow dynamic and there is a way to find the current location via dl_sysinfo [03:33] < clifford> SMP: oh. nice. [03:33] < SMP> read glibc-2.3.2/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/i386/sysdep.h ;) [03:34] < SMP> actually the kernel code that fills this page at boot time is even nicer [03:35] < SMP> so I was wrong - glibc does not support sysenter directly. it supports this vsyscall method but calls it sysenter [03:37] < rxr> European Protests Against Software Patents [03:38] < SMP> is there a way to get cpp to dump what is currently has defined? [03:38] < rxr> ^- Clifford we should suport this and change the hompage main-site for this day ?!? [03:38] < rxr> SMP: -E ? [03:38] < SMP> -E makes gcc run the preprocessor only? [03:39] < rxr> yes [03:39] < rxr> and dumps the preprocessed text ... [03:39] < clifford> SMP: yup. [03:40] < SMP> I know that [03:40] < SMP> I want to dump (list, enumerate) all the _defines_ it has [03:40] < clifford> so what was the question about? [03:40] < clifford> aha! [03:42] < mnemoc> re [03:43] < clifford> SMP: cpp has the otion -d which does what you want (e.g. -dM) [03:44] < SMP> you mean -Md ? [03:44] < clifford> no. [03:44] < clifford> -dM. e.g.: gcc -E -dM misc/archive/hello.c [03:45] < SMP> ah, found it in the manpage [03:45] < mnemoc> can cp -L be removed from stages [01]? [03:45] < mnemoc> (someday) [03:46] < mnemoc> update coreutils is a 'high impact' requirement [03:48] < clifford> sh*t - it's almost 4 am and I'm still not tired... [03:48] < clifford> mnemoc: what "cp -L" are you talking about? [03:49] < SMP> clifford: me neither - but no surprise, I got up past 5 p.m. [03:49] < clifford> I should et up in two hours. [03:49] < clifford> I should et up in two hours.my laptop is running on battery. [03:49] < mnemoc> 0-linux24 uses cp -L [03:50] < clifford> If power goes down, it's an omen that time to sleep has come .... ;-) [03:51] < clifford> root@localhost:/rock-trunk/package/base/linux24# grep -- -L * [03:51] < clifford> can't find anything ... [03:52] < rxr> clifford: ... [03:52] < rxr> or even cd ../../.. .... [03:55] clifford is trying to get some sleep now ... [03:55] < mnemoc> it wasn't that direct... let me search [03:55] < rxr> clifford: good night [03:55] < clifford> cu. [03:55] -!- clifford [~clifford@M126P012.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("Client exiting") [03:55] < rxr> mnemoc: where do you usually get your i2c patches from (need one for 2.4.22 ... [03:57] < mnemoc> w8 [03:57] < mnemoc> linux24-header/linux24-header.conf: cp -rLv include/{asm,asm-generic,linux} $root/$prefix/include [03:57] < mnemoc> linux24-header/linux24-header.conf: cp -rLv include/{asm-{sparc{,64},generic},linux} $root/$prefix/include [03:57] < mnemoc> that -L :) [03:58] < rxr> mnemoc: btw the vserver developer joined the developer meeting for an evening ;-)! [03:59] < mnemoc> https://www.13thfloor.at/VServer/patches-2.4.22-p10c17/11_i2c-2.8.0.patch.bz2 [04:00] < mnemoc> @vienna? [04:00] < rxr> mnemoc: thaks - found this on the list, too ;-) [04:00] < rxr> mnemoc: yes - vienna ;-)! [04:00] < rxr> https://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/photos/rock-meeting-2003/gallery.html [04:01] < rxr> photo: d0010296.jpg [04:01] < rxr> I need to comment them ... [04:01] < rxr> the one in the white shirt [04:02] < mnemoc> a little dark :-\ [04:02] < mnemoc> how did u meet him? [04:02] < rxr> he lives in Autria and Clifford knows him - he asked Cliff if could come over one evening ... [04:03] < rxr> hey - this was arround 22.00 o'clock or so ... [04:03] < mnemoc> did u ask them to join rock? ;) [04:04] < rxr> he is interested in ROCK because we seem to be the only dist that uses / support vserver [04:04] < mnemoc> a kernel guru could be nice on the team [04:04] < rxr> he wanted to take a look what we do with it ... [04:04] < mnemoc> a jailing system based on it is in my todo [04:05] < mnemoc> well... a modular jailing system where you could choose your method considering installed pacakges [04:05] < mnemoc> vserver, rsbac, chroot, etc.. [04:08] < mnemoc> when will you update to 2.4.22? [04:08] -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [04:09] < rxr> mnemoc: I'm currenty updating ... [04:09] < rxr> just putting the peaces together and testing ... [04:10] < mnemoc> i don't understand diet's CC_FILTER sed -e '...'... [04:10] < rxr> which line ? [04:10] < mnemoc> 122 [04:10] < mnemoc> THE line :) [04:11] < rxr> file ? [04:12] < rxr> I have one in line 54 ... [04:13] < rxr> var_insert CC_WRAPPER_FILTER "|" "sed -e 's,/usr/dietlibc/,$root&,'" [04:13] < rxr> it is prepending the $root before each /usr/dietlibc/ occurence in teh options passed to CC ... [04:13] < mnemoc> me too :) i have to learn 'vi' :( [04:13] < rxr> you might see a linux24 commit in some minutes ... [04:14] < mnemoc> my problem is that i have no /usr/dietlibc occurence in kiss [04:14] < rxr> the diet wrapper program passes this to gcc (IIRC) ... [04:15] < mnemoc> so i'll have to find why it isn't :) [04:16] < rxr> I hope the filter has a verbose mode? [04:21] < mnemoc> i got why iproute2 is including /usr/dietlibc instead of $root... just because the pasted CC_FILTER :) to avoid $root$root/... [04:21] < rxr> ah - jepp [04:24] < mnemoc> mmm... /usr/dietlibc is never 'globally' appended [04:27] < mnemoc> yes! :) [04:27] < mnemoc> fixed [04:30] < rxr> hm - shti I need to rediff the i2c patch :-( [04:30] < rxr> one hunk fails ... [04:31] < mnemoc> i suggest you to wait undle herbert do it :) [04:31] < mnemoc> until [04:31] < rxr> it is only one line ... [04:31] -!- kasc_ [~kasc@p5090B1A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [04:32] < mnemoc> i said because of download locations and stuff [04:38] -!- kasc_ [~kasc@p5090B096.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux [04:40] < rxr> mnemoc: I thik the i2c patch has a bug ... [04:42] < mnemoc> typo, little bug or big fsking amazing bug? [04:44] < rxr> typo .. [04:46] < mnemoc> mmm... kiss patch was not reached the list :( [04:47] < mnemoc> aaaargh!!!... gzip fails in the same way :( [04:47] < mnemoc> can i *globally* insert -I/usr/dietlibc/include ? [04:48] < rxr> mnemoc: in dietlibc's parse-config? try and see if it break s.th. ... (in theoriy it should not ...) [04:49] < mnemoc> ok [04:49] < mnemoc> tell me about linux24 to start a whole new build [04:50] < rxr> mnemoc: takes some minutes until I know the new i2c patch works ... [04:51] < mnemoc> k [04:52] < mnemoc> errno!!! [04:52] < mnemoc> :( [04:53] < rxr> hm? [04:53] < mnemoc> errno bug of gzip :'( [04:54] < mnemoc> this will take longer that what i expected =( [05:00] < rxr> what errno bug in gzip? one not fixed in ROCK ? [05:01] < mnemoc> i thinks it's related with -nostdinc [05:08] mnemoc hating dietlibc [05:08] < rxr> the dietlibc is not that bad [05:08] < rxr> it is dimensions more readable then glibc - only the ROCK Linux scripts for dietlibs are not always that clean .. [05:09] < rxr> Subject: Re: problems when moving repository form redhat to gentoo [05:09] < rxr> *lolololol* [05:10] < mnemoc> ??? [05:11] < rxr> svn mailing list ... [05:28] < rxr> mnemoc: if you see my changelog you know that we already have kernel hacker on-board ... [05:28] < rxr> ;-) [05:29] < mnemoc> :) [05:31] < rxr> hm - verena will wake up soon ;-) [05:31] < rxr> mnemoc: the kernel build is not yet fully tested [05:31] < rxr> I committed it because I want to build it in parallel on my x86 box [05:32] < rxr> but the big merge conflicts are solved ... [05:32] < rxr> and it is already building on my iBook for 30 minutes ... [05:33] < mnemoc> i2c-west? [05:34] < rxr> an Apple i2x system bus ... [05:35] < rxr> s/x/c/ [05:35] < rxr> I need a faster PowerPC laptop - building linux24 and alsa-driver makes the video drop quite a lot frames :-( [05:39] < mnemoc> no comments [05:40] < rxr> ;-) - maybe 2.6 would help a bit ... [05:40] < jsaw> incredible, u'r still alive... [05:40] < rxr> and I should emerge xine with my tuned PowerPC optimization settings ... [05:41] < rxr> jsaw: and you, too ;-) [05:42] SMP as well [05:42] < jsaw> btw, I installed rock on my laptop (a few revs before rc1 tag). Man, I almost forgot, that 266MHz is (almost) enough with a properly optimized distro... [05:43] < rxr> jsaw: nice to hear [05:43] < rxr> maybe we should but this quote into the happy users section ? [05:43] < jsaw> :) [05:43] < SMP> apropos optimization [05:44] < SMP> someone here uses the KDE screen locker / screensaver? [05:44] < rxr> SMP: seldom [05:44] < rxr> I prefer xautolock [05:45] < SMP> it's incredibly slow and CPU consuming [05:45] < SMP> and I only use the simple blank screen [05:45] < mnemoc> while(1); [05:46] < mnemoc> or while(i--); <-- sleep [05:47] < rxr> SMP: AFAIHS KDE just uses xscreensaver ... [05:47] < SMP> when I click the 'lock screen' icon it waits a few seconds and the CPU radiator spins up (!) - and this is a 2.5GHz P4 [05:47] < SMP> rxr: no, Gnome uses xscreensaver [05:48] < mnemoc> what's _cheaper_ gnome or kde? [05:49] < SMP> 162M download/kde31 [05:49] < SMP> 131M download/gnome2 [05:49] < SMP> Gnome - if you download it ;P [05:49] < mnemoc> i mean at runtime [05:49] < jsaw> don't forget compile time for C++ [05:50] < SMP> jsaw: well that doesn't cost money [05:50] < mnemoc> 'lighter' can be the word [05:50] < jsaw> energy [06:01] < mnemoc> gn8 :) [06:01] < rxr> n8 mnemoc [06:02] < jsaw> cu mnemoc [06:02] < mnemoc> will u sleep tomorrow? [06:02] < mnemoc> :\ [06:03] < mnemoc> ... n8 [06:03] < mnemoc> sleep is good [06:40] -!- starlord [~starlord@dsl10040.japo.fi] has joined #rocklinux [06:48] -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@p3EE1E279.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux [06:49] < jsaw_> *damn hw* [06:49] < starlord> good morning jsaw [06:49] < jsaw_> g'morning [06:50] < jsaw_> (I was down for a couple of minutes because my X-Server stuck somewhere in an sigalarm loop -> reboot) [06:55] < rxr> moin starlord [06:55] < starlord> hi rxr [06:56] -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E2BF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [06:56] < SMP> btw. I managed to get an NVIDIA X Server running [06:57] rxr away - cu later ... [06:57] < SMP> but it dies with a SEGV as soon as I invoke a GLX app [06:59] < starlord> hmm, SMP you use nvidia's drivers right? my desktop pc has nvidia and i didnt have any problems to get hw to x work,currently pc is broken so i can look what i did,damm storms [07:00] < starlord> this freaking ATI is giving headache's [07:00] < starlord> nvidia is much better when it comes to linux support.... [07:01] < safedin> hmm.. I'm finished with the build.. I get a 'creating isofs.txt' message [07:01] < safedin> but when I do a create-iso it says can't find build//isofs.txt .... [07:04] < jsaw_> SMP: but u are running 2.6? [07:04] -!- jsaw_ is now known as jsaw [07:04] < SMP> yes [07:04] < SMP> but that shouldn't matter to the X server [07:05] < jsaw> the problem is the nvidia module [07:05] < rxr> safedin: you build the target completely ? [07:05] < safedin> as far as I know.. yes... [07:05] < SMP> jsaw: well it's told to work fine once you manage to compile it [07:06] < SMP> ... and disable ACPI [07:06] < safedin> Finishing build. [07:06] < safedin> -> Creating package database ... [07:06] < safedin> -> Creating isofs.txt file .. [07:06] < rxr> safedin: maybe you do not specify the correct config-id [07:07] < safedin> ic [07:07] < rxr> if you have not speciiied one - the id is "default" ... [07:07] rxr off not - cu [07:07] < safedin> hehe.. my bad.. misspelled default...:( [07:09] < jsaw> #elif LINUX_VERSION_CODE < KERNEL_VERSION(2, 6, 0) [07:09] < jsaw> # error This driver does not support 2.5.x development kernels! [07:09] < jsaw> #else [07:09] < jsaw> # error This driver does not support 2.6.x or newer kernels! [07:09] < SMP> -rw-r--r-- 1 stefanp users 78587 2003-08-23 08:27 NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-4496-2.5.diff [07:10] < SMP> -rw-r--r-- 1 stefanp users 783 2003-08-23 08:28 NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-4496-2.6-bk5.diff [07:10] < jsaw> I know, but there's a lot of stuff binary only. Try disabling AGP. [07:10] < SMP> 'disabling AGP'? [07:16] < jsaw> XF86Config, Section "Device", Option "NvAGP" "0" [07:17] < jsaw> (btw, did u run ldconfig after installing the driver?) [07:17] < SMP> (of course) [07:18] < SMP> (and moved /usr/X11/lib/libGL* away) [07:19] < jsaw> ? I never had to do that, the nvidia install script did it. [07:19] < SMP> can't use the installer [07:20] < SMP> ERROR: The kernel header file [07:20] < SMP> '/lib/modules/2.6.0-test3/build/include/linux/modversions.h' does not [07:20] < SMP> exist. [07:21] < jsaw> ? we have our own installer script [07:33] -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-29-151.reverse.qsc.de] has joined #rocklinux [07:34] < holyolli> moin [07:35] < starlord> hi holyolli [07:35] < jsaw> SMP: file a bug report so that sb. might fix the installer [07:36] < holyolli> hi starlord [07:37] -!- Mike1 [~mike@ip26-62.ct.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux [07:37] < holyolli> mike!!! [07:37] < Mike1> Alcoholy! [07:37] < Mike1> :P [07:38] < holyolli> ;P [07:38] < Mike1> how are you cpt? [07:38] < Mike1> re all [07:39] < holyolli> fine. but theory sucks...cause it's boring [07:39] < holyolli> Mike1: and how are you? [07:39] < Mike1> hehehe [07:39] < jsaw> cu guys, bbl [07:39] < Mike1> i am very good thanks [07:39] < Mike1> jsaw: ? [07:40] < jsaw> Mike1: I have to bring my car to the garage in couple of minutes... [07:40] < Mike1> jsaw: ok, have fun [07:41] < Mike1> cchamilt: awake? [07:43] Mike1 is away: brb rebooting [07:44] < jsaw> Mike1: that's no fun, 'cause its not really mine, it's my brother-in-law's car (I didn't expect ground clearance to be that small...) [07:44] -!- Mike1 [~mike@ip26-62.ct.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") [07:44] < jsaw> ... [07:44] < jsaw> bbl [07:50] -!- Mike1 [~mike@196.40.62.26] has joined #rocklinux [07:50] < Mike1> re [07:52] < holyolli> cya [07:52] -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-29-151.reverse.qsc.de] has quit ("X-Chat: I'm out like a light...") [07:53] < SMP> jsaw: X server still segfaults with NvAGP 0 [07:53] < Mike1> SMP: was gnucash moved to your repos? [07:53] < SMP> but this time it also caused some filesystem corruption [07:54] < SMP> guess I'll just have to wait a year for NVidia to get their shit together [07:55] < SMP> Mike1: jep. I changed it to use gnome-14.conf and made a crude patch to force it to use bdb41 [07:55] < SMP> now it builds ok [07:55] < SMP> if only OpenHBCI was a little less stupid now ... [07:56] < Mike1> SMP: okis :) [07:57] < SMP> Mike1: btw. 'goodbye' also from me and thanks for all the fish ;) [07:57] < Mike1> SMP: ok. [08:08] -!- Mike1 [~mike@196.40.62.26] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") [08:17] < jsaw> re [08:19] < starlord> damm,where can i find kernel option for touchpad? [08:21] < jsaw> SMP: ... binary drivers ... (I also had a X crash today, also nvidia...) [08:21] < jsaw> starlord: what kinda touchpad [08:21] < jsaw> ? [08:24] < starlord> jsaw:dont know the model,what ever comes with siemens notebooks :) [08:24] < jsaw> oh, you mean the mouse-replacement? [08:25] < jsaw> Pretty sure it's PS/2 [08:25] < starlord> i know,ps/2 driver should work,but it doesnt,when i connect real mouse to ps/2 or usb it works but the touchpad doesnt [08:27] < jsaw> what does 'cat /dev/psaux | hexdump' say if u touch the touchpad? [08:29] < starlord> nothing [08:31] < jsaw> and /dev/usbmouse0 [08:31] < jsaw> ? [08:33] < SMP> well, use lsusb to find out if there is one at all ... [08:33] < jsaw> sorry /dev/input/mouse0 or similiar [08:34] < starlord> hmm,i think i have protocol wrong in gpm,at boot time it founds synaptics touchpad so it is found,have to check proper protocol for this [08:34] < starlord> off for smoke [08:45] < jsaw> does anybody know by chance a good simple short howto "setup a DSL-Router-Firewall-Home-Network-etc."? [08:46] < jsaw> (any hint that saves me from RTFM is welcome :-) [08:49] < SMP> a) install OpenBSD [08:50] < jsaw> why? does this simplify configuration? [08:51] < SMP> if it filters packets, then it runs OpenBSD [08:52] < SMP> plus you don't need to jump through any hoops to get PPPoE [08:52] < jsaw> hoops? [08:53] < jsaw> so, packet filtering is less tricky in openbsd? [08:53] < SMP> definetely [08:54] < starlord> hmm.there's still few problems in kernel options modify through Config [09:03] -!- jvc [~jvc@cherokee.cs.utwente.nl] has joined #rocklinux [09:05] < rxr> re [09:06] < rxr> ok - me taking sleep ... [09:07] < jsaw> :) [09:14] < Freak> excellent idea actually. [09:14] < Freak> bye [09:15] SMP feels inclined as well [09:15] < jsaw> (what should I say then...) [09:25] -!- Demian [~demian@163.178.136.225] has joined #rocklinux [09:27] < Demian> hi [09:28] -!- Aard [~bwachter@aardchat.net] has joined #rocklinux [09:35] -!- Demian [~demian@163.178.136.225] has left #rocklinux () [10:36] -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux [10:37] < daja77> moin Ge0rG [10:37] < Ge0rG> good morning [10:38] daja77 now off for breakfast and work, cu later [10:52] < netrunner> moin [11:29] < esden> moin [11:58] -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has quit ("Real Life is just an illusion caused by IRC deprivation") [13:21] < daja77> re [13:35] < daja77> ROTFL, owl is blaming our screen version, and using putty ... [14:08] -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M313P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux [14:21] < rxr> re [14:26] < daja77> hi rxr [14:27] < n00kie> Welcome back, rxr :) [14:27] < daja77> rxr: guess owl has a putty problem rather than a screen based one ;-) [14:34] < rxr> for me screen worked flasslessly using putty ... [14:35] < rxr> daja77: maybe she has a centericq problem as written my fake ... [14:35] < daja77> but blaming the rocklinux build scripts for that is ridiculous [14:36] < rxr> daja77: yes - definetely ... [14:36] < rxr> maybe it is an utf8 problem actually .... ?!? [14:38] < rxr> SMP: still alive ? [14:42] < daja77> you freaks worked the whole night ... [14:47] < mnemoc> rxr: i2c-core.c:1422:2: #endif without #if [14:48] < daja77> hehe [14:48] < daja77> wb mnemoc [14:48] < mnemoc> hi daja77, rxr, n00kie :) [14:49] -!- rammi [Administra@195.252.80.69] has joined #rocklinux [14:49] < rammi> hi [14:49] < daja77> hi rammi [14:55] < rolla> re [14:56] < daja77> hi rolla [15:01] -!- rammi [Administra@195.252.80.69] has quit ("Leaving") [15:09] < starlord> rxr:put CONFIG_PNPBIOS to disable list in kernel 2.6,it "halts" pc during boot [15:23] < rxr> starlord: thanks [15:24] < starlord> rxr:np,i still have few problems with touchpad support in kernel,i found a patch for them,i'll send it to mailinglist,if it works [15:24] < rxr> mnemoc: I'm just fixing this ... [15:24] < rxr> starlord: ok [15:28] < daja77> how come, that they can't see such simple compile errors before release, is the their quality management so poor [15:28] < rxr> daja77: you mean the ifdef? This was me ... [15:29] < daja77> oh ic ;-) [15:29] < rxr> and I needed to bring Verena to a doctor at 8o'clock this morning ... [15:29] < daja77> so you are more ghost than human today ... [15:30] < starlord> is owl(Sandra Dismair?) in the mailing list same as EREBOS linux creator? [15:30] < daja77> yes ... [15:31] < starlord> muah,why doesnt she starts to help rock as he has same goals in that erectos,but in rock they are mainly done already..... [15:31] < starlord> oh erebos i mena [15:32] < daja77> cos she is strange, but don't tell her [15:35] < starlord> yihaa,touchbad works again [15:40] -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-057-189.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux [15:42] -!- true [~true@aszlig.net] has quit ("leaving") [15:50] < rxr> so - linux24 might be fixed now ... [15:56] -!- [anders] [~snafu@imhotep.hursley.ibm.com] has joined #rocklinux [15:58] < esden> ROFL [15:58] < esden> hi sbtw [15:58] < daja77> hi [anders] [15:58] < daja77> hi esden [15:58] < [anders]> lo esden, daja77 [15:58] < daja77> what's so funny [15:58] < esden> daja77: the mail from owl on the ml [15:59] < daja77> with that pciture [16:00] < esden> daja77: the mail about that she is not satisfied about rock ... and that screen is not working ... and and and ... I really have to lough about it ... [16:00] < daja77> i agree [16:01] < [anders]> ho-hum... [16:02] < esden> daja77: but that kind of saying is typical for her ... [16:02] < esden> she will be back earlier or later [16:02] < [anders]> esden: maybe, maybe not... [16:02] < rxr> hi [anders] ! [16:03] < daja77> [anders]: anyway ;-) [16:03] < [anders]> lo rxr, I saw your post on LKML.. you want the updates i2c I see.. :) [16:03] < rxr> yes - I just merged the patch again - and it is pain ... [16:04] < rxr> even more I would like the i2c people not changing the API teh wohle day .... [16:04] < rxr> but the current one should be in the kernel ... [16:04] < [anders]> daja77: owl might feel frustration with Rock, I did from time to time.. Especially when I did not have the skill to fix the broken bits. [16:04] < [anders]> rxr: I reckon you stand a good chance to get it into 2.4.23 [16:05] < rxr> another thing that should go in is the read-only bind mounts patch ... [16:05] < rxr> and it is tiny ... [16:05] < daja77> well np with that, if could talk in a normal way with her about that, there wouldn't be a problem at all [16:05] < [anders]> rxr: I noticed that there was updated to ACPI in 2.4.22, I should give it a try shortly... [16:06] < [anders]> daja77: just be patient. not everyone is eloquent and can communicate easily the problems they've noticed. [16:06] < rxr> [anders]: ;-) btw how are you - how are things going ? [16:06] < daja77> patience *hmpf* [16:06] < [anders]> rxr: I'm good thanks. just moved house (again) and have to wait for DSL to be enabled in new house. [16:07] < [anders]> rxr: how are you doing then old friend? :) [16:07] < rxr> [anders]: oh - quite well, thanks. In which country are you currently living ? [16:07] < [anders]> rxr: I am still in the UK for the time being. :) [16:08] < daja77> and still joining from ibm ... [16:08] < [anders]> daja77: yes.. not managed to escape yet.. ;-) [16:09] < [anders]> looks like I might be able to scavenge another year from them as well.. [16:09] < daja77> hehehe [16:09] < rxr> [anders]: but it should be quite ok at ibm, isn't it ? [16:09] < [anders]> rxr: it is. working on a nice project, doing build tasks and acceptance testing, so things I like to tinker with. :) [16:10] < [anders]> rxr: so what are you working with now or are you still at uni? :) [16:10] < esden> hmm ... it would be very helpfull if owl could fix the bug in centericq ... [16:11] < esden> I really would be greatfull for that [16:11] [anders] wants a 'centrino' architecture choice in the kernel [16:12] < rxr> [anders]: well basically I work too much on OpenSoure stuff and I'm too less in the Uni ... I worked for a win32 coding company - but I'm about to quit it and start my own company trying to make money with ROCK Linux and realtime-audio-linux stuff (GSMP) ... [16:13] < daja77> cool, you considered using rtai patched kernels for that? [16:14] < [anders]> rxr: sounds like a good idea. if you have a good solid product you should easily be able to make a living from it. :) [16:16] < rxr> daja77: not in the beginning ... realtime audio for workstations is normally all user-space so you need the new scheduler, maybe preemtion (or/and the old low-latency patches) - but basically vanilla 2.4 and especially 2.6 are good enough for studio work - only for exeptional caes preemtion and the low-latency patch can help ... [16:17] < [anders]> rxr: there are patches floating around to optimise latency for particular interrupts.. so you can prioritise the irq your soundcard sits on for example.. [16:18] < daja77> rxr: anyway if you'd need it you can enable it easily in rock ;-) [16:19] < esden> very nice ... I could stop myself from replying on owls mail in the last moment ... thank god ;) [16:19] < daja77> thank esden [16:22] [anders] is thinking about creating a patch-set for the kernel on the laptop. [16:22] < [anders]> what I really want is some driver code for Intel PRO/2100 802.11b wifi stuff.. [16:22] < rxr> daja77: yes ;-) [16:24] < daja77> found a victim for new generic installation btw [16:32] rxr away - cu in some hours [16:36] -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-29-151.reverse.qsc.de] has joined #rocklinux [16:36] < holyolli> moin [16:39] -!- [anders] [~snafu@imhotep.hursley.ibm.com] has left #rocklinux ("Client exiting") [16:43] -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-29-151.reverse.qsc.de] has quit ("X-Chat: 1998: year of the X-Chat") [16:47] < esden> ok ... I am off for shopping [16:49] -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M313P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Client Quit) [16:53] -!- dennis [~dennis@pD9EB7B9E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux [16:53] < dennis> moin [16:55] -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M313P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux [17:03] -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M313P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Client Quit) [17:20] -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M313P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux [17:32] < rolla> okay I give you lines you need [17:32] < starlord> hmm,why linux-drm copies modules to 2.4 and not to 2.6(that's i'm using),because 2.4 is marked as default kernel? [17:35] -!- christ|an [~christian@p50839D6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux [17:40] -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M313P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Client Quit) [17:53] -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-057-189.arcor-ip.net] has quit ("Client exiting") [17:53] < esden> re hi all [17:53] < christ|an> hi esden [17:54] < esden> starlord: I suppose that it is a bug in install script ... [17:55] < rolla> ? [17:55] -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M313P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux [17:55] < esden> rolla: ? [17:55] < rolla> wrong window :( [17:56] < esden> rolla: hehe ;) [18:04] < rolla> does the person who starts the webserver have rights to the cert files? [18:04] < rolla> I think my tab key is broken :( [18:06] < daja77> maybe you think i learn quicker when reading things twice ;-) [18:12] < christ|an> https://join.msn.com/?page=dept/home&pgmarket=en-us&xAPID=296&DI=340&HL=MS_SpecialsPage_Sign_up_for_MSN_8_Cut_your_Internet_bills_graphic_1 -> lol this site looks like a page for kids :) [18:13] < daja77> msn -> page_for_kids -> just_as_expected [18:13] < christ|an> lol [18:15] < n00kie> https://netscan.research.microsoft.com [18:15] < n00kie> I think this is a.. [18:15] < n00kie> "bad site" [18:15] -!- lhang [~lhang@cm40.omega163.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #rocklinux [18:15] -!- lhang [~lhang@cm40.omega163.maxonline.com.sg] has left #rocklinux () [18:17] < christ|an> https://www.microsoft.com/catalog/display.asp?subid=22&site=11052&x=52&y=13 -> yeah lets buy a home xp edition :) [18:17] < daja77> christ|an: could you stop that please [18:17] daja77 now off for shopping [18:23] -!- ringo [~root@co116627-a.almel1.ov.home.nl] has joined #rocklinux [18:39] -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-29-151.reverse.qsc.de] has joined #rocklinux [18:40] < holyolli> re [18:41] -!- Nebukadneza [~daddel9@dsl-213-023-057-189.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux [18:46] < n00kie> Hi holyolli [18:48] < starlord> hmm,what env variable should contain current kernel version? [18:50] < holyolli> hi n00kie [18:54] < mnemoc> starlord: uname -r [18:55] < starlord> hmm,inside script? [18:55] < starlord> errrrrr [18:56] < starlord> linux-drm uses $kernelversion but gives me default kernel and not the kernel i'm using,so i thought there is already variable that holds it.... [18:56] < mnemoc> afaik no [18:57] < mnemoc> ROCKCFG_DEFAULT_KERNEL contains the default kernel package [18:57] < mnemoc> you can sed it's .desc file to fetch ^\[V\] $.*$ [19:06] -!- starlord [~starlord@dsl10040.japo.fi] has quit ("sauna") [19:12] -!- holyolli [~holyolli@port-212-202-29-151.reverse.qsc.de] has quit ("X-Chat: use it, it makes you bulletproof") [19:29] < mnemoc> i can't create an account on flyspray :'( [19:30] < mnemoc> i want an account [19:31] < mnemoc> i have filled the form twice but i still can't login [19:31] < mnemoc> bye :( [19:41] -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M313P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit (Client Quit) [19:44] -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M353P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux [19:55] -!- Ge0rG [georg@club-mate.net] has joined #rocklinux [20:15] < rolla> damn kernels [20:19] < mnemoc> rc1 was tagged in a good moment :) [20:20] -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA94E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux [20:31] < tcr> moin all [20:31] < rolla> re [20:32] < mnemoc> wb {tcr,rolla} [20:34] < rolla> this is driving me nuts they say they have linux drivers but you can't find [20:34] < rolla> them [20:35] < mnemoc> that doesn't applies only to linux drivers :( [20:37] < rolla> ? [20:37] < daja77> re [20:38] < rxr> re [20:38] < rolla> rxr what kind of wireless card do you have? [20:38] < rxr> oeh [20:39] < rxr> an Airport/Orinoro in the iBook - and an ADMTek 8211 in Verena's laptop [20:39] < mnemoc> rxr: do you have admin privileges on flyspray? i have tried to create myself twice but ... [20:40] < rolla> ah lucky you nice supported cards [20:40] < rxr> as Accesspoint DWL 900AP+ [20:40] < rxr> mnemoc: yes [20:40] < mnemoc> can you see i i'm created? [20:41] < rxr> mnemoc: nope - your are not listed ... [20:41] < mnemoc> :'( [20:41] < rxr> what error did you got ? [20:42] < rxr> which browser? [20:42] < mnemoc> ie55 [20:42] < mnemoc> empty page after submit [20:42] < rxr> hm - works in Mozilla and Konqueror ... [20:42] < mnemoc> i mean, empty popup [20:42] < rxr> don't you have a Mozilla on your XP ? [20:42] < mnemoc> ok... i'll try mozilla at home [20:43] < rxr> I could try from an IE/Mac using MacOSX in MacOnLinux ;-) [20:43] < mnemoc> =) [20:43] < rxr> but this IE/Mac is dmenensions bug-freeer compared to the windows version [20:43] -!- javisiu [~javier@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #RockLinux [20:43] < rxr> this especially sucks when I want to see if the sites are correclty rendered in IE - the Mac versino usually just renders it fine and the Win version fails ... [20:44] -!- javisiu [~javier@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit (Client Quit) [20:44] < mnemoc> i can give you RDP access here but i think the lag will be *big* [20:45] < rxr> yes - i do not need it that urgent ... [20:45] < daja77> dunno if this is good or bad if windows user can't submit bugs ... [20:46] < mnemoc> btw, i get empty <body /> but a "Flyspray:: Modify" title [20:48] < daja77> O_o a mail from tfing [20:48] < rxr> oh - Alon Cox replied to my mail ... [20:48] < mnemoc> rxr: now you are a real kernel hacker ;) [20:49] < daja77> huh, thought he retired [20:50] < daja77> btw do we have the security fixes for sendmail? [20:53] < rxr> don't know - don't use it ... [20:53] < rxr> if you use it fell free to track them ... [20:55] < daja77> i don't but i just got the second advisory (this time from suse) [20:56] -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M353P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("leaving") [20:59] < rolla> rxr that is a poor frame of mind ot have [21:02] < mnemoc> package preselection templates? [21:03] < rxr> rolla: heh? [21:04] < rxr> mnemoc: yes - to stop this yet-another-target-with-package-selection-only(tm) [21:04] < rolla> if it is going to be a part of rock. it must be kept up todate either by the maintainer of the package or by the overall maintainer. [21:05] < rxr> rolla: yes - but I can not do all [21:05] < mnemoc> good... targets should be more that a set of pacakges [21:05] < mnemoc> BBL [21:05] < rxr> I already stayed up the wohle last night ... [21:05] < rolla> true [21:06] < rolla> but then the answer should be the maintainer must take care of it :) [21:06] < rxr> yes - and since I hate sendmail I'm not the maintainer *g* [21:08] < rolla> true [21:09] < daja77> errh you are ... consequent [21:09] < rolla> I am just pointing out the more correct way to answer daja question :) [21:10] -!- dennis [~dennis@pD9EB7B9E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Lost terminal") [21:10] < rxr> rolla: could you take a look at this ? [21:11] < rolla> I can [21:20] < rxr> the preselection template is cool ;-) [21:24] -!- rammi [Administra@195.252.80.112] has joined #rocklinux [21:25] < rammi> hi to all! [21:25] < daja77> rxr: what about minimal build? [21:25] < daja77> wb rammi [21:25] -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA94E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [21:27] < rxr> daja77: hm ? [21:27] -!- netrunne1 [~netrunner@p508028B9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux [21:29] < daja77> mike created minimal so that we can provide small isos for download, so that newbies have a plattform to build rock for themselves on it [21:31] -!- rammi [Administra@195.252.80.112] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [21:31] -!- rammi [a@195.252.80.112] has joined #rocklinux [21:33] -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA8F43.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux [21:33] < rxr> daja77: still possible - select generic and the minimal template ... [21:36] < tcr> is it possible to see diffs between revisions online? [21:38] < daja77> rxr: ok, but will we provide such an image? [21:40] < rxr> tcr: yes - if I would install viewcvs (latest version has svn support) [21:40] -!- netrunner [~netrunner@p508027E1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [21:41] < rxr> daja77: depends if we have free resources [21:41] < daja77> hmm [21:42] < rxr> daja77: and astonishing is that the minimal+xfree only includes ~100 packages where minimal has ~190 ... [21:42] < rxr> we should fix this - by making minimal smaller ... [21:43] < daja77> ack [21:43] < daja77> e.g.. noone needs rfcs in minimal [21:44] < rxr> maybe just cut'n paste from the minimal+xfree remove the xfree files - and clean both up - maybe the xfree can just include (inherit) the minimal and only pass the two and a half xfree packages additionally ... [21:48] < rxr> weee 900 packages in ROCK now ;-)! [21:49] < daja77> stay tuned for more ;-) [21:51] -!- rammi [a@195.252.80.112] has quit ("Leaving") [22:04] -!- safedin is now known as CluelessNewbie [22:05] < SMP> rxr: what's the use of x/o flag if all packages are x anyway? ;) [22:06] < daja77> not all [22:07] < rxr> SMP: the default - and the default should only optional exclusive packages - or packages without distirvuteable license [22:08] < rxr> SMP: if you O them they will also not build in a reference build (since it would not know which can be build wihtout conflict ...) [22:08] < daja77> rtai is O e.g. cos it modifies the whole build [22:08] < rxr> there are nome still 27 O packages ... [22:08] < rxr> err 24 ... [22:09] < praenti> hi [22:09] < rxr> and I do want all normal packages in a regerence build ... [22:09] < praenti> rxr: have you time at the moment? [22:09] < daja77> huhu praenti [22:09] < rxr> praenti: erm - theoretically yes - if my girlfrined would not be wishing that I make the dishes ... ;-) [22:09] < praenti> need some help with kernel config and with disable-broken.lst [22:09] < rxr> praenti: oeh? what do you want to do? [22:10] < praenti> i have added a line like: CONFIG_SIS190 2003-08-26 2.6.0-test4 [22:10] < praenti> cause this module seems to be broken. but the output says that it is set to 'm' anyway [22:10] < praenti> is there a special syntax? [22:12] < rxr> nope normally not ... [22:14] < praenti> have seen there are some more in it now. looks like i should use the one in trunk... :-/ [22:16] < rxr> so the next i2c iteration ... [22:18] < praenti> ohh. i have seen what was wrong. i should not trust the outputafter enabling all modules :-)) [22:19] < praenti> disable-broken.sh is run after the output... *schäm* [22:22] < rxr> so I hope this was the kernel hacking session for the next days ... [22:22] < praenti> ok. i will go to bed now. perhaps i can read tomorrow more than today... [22:22] < praenti> gn8 [22:22] < daja77> n8 praenti [22:22] < rxr> n8 praenti [22:22] -!- CluelessNewbie is now known as safedin [22:23] -!- kasc_ [~kasc@p5090B096.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [22:29] daja77 notes that letting manucfacture cdroms and dvds is cheaper than he thought [22:34] < rxr> jups - what is the current break-even for pressed CDs? and the price in cent then ? [22:35] < daja77> 0.75 EUR for a dvd, without cover [22:35] < daja77> but with colored label [22:35] < daja77> cds are even cheaper [22:35] < SMP> how much is a DVD master? [22:35] < rolla> look it over before you thank me [22:38] < safedin> because daja77 made me... [22:38] < safedin> <safedin> fyi.. the best feature of gentoo is the ease of install new and unstable versions of gnome... [22:39] < daja77> thx [22:39] < daja77> :) [22:41] < rxr> safedin: if someone would just add the packages to rock it would be equally easy ... [22:51] -!- Mike1 [~mike@ip26-62.ct.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux [22:52] < Mike1> hello all [22:52] < daja77> hi Mike1 [23:27] < rxr> re [23:28] -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA8F43.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [23:28] < rxr> hi Mike1 [23:28] < Mike1> wb rxr [23:28] < daja77> *head crashing on keyboard* [23:28] < rxr> daja77: some eact prices for CDs and the master would be interesting [23:28] < rxr> or is the master in the price - but then I would need the minmal count ... [23:29] < daja77> it is in price when you order at least 2000 [23:30] < daja77> https://www.mediabit.de/cd/1_cd_produktion/cd_produktion_preise_teil_1.html [23:34] < rxr> daja77: ah the usual prices - ok [23:34] < daja77> better than burning it themselves [23:36] -!- rammi [a@195.252.80.99] has joined #rocklinux [23:36] < rammi> hi.. again.. :) [23:38] -!- rammi [a@195.252.80.99] has quit (Remote closed the connection) [23:38] < daja77> hmm [23:38] -!- rammi [a@195.252.80.99] has joined #rocklinux [23:38] -!- rammi [a@195.252.80.99] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [23:47] daja77 tired [23:47] < daja77> cu tomorrow [23:47] < Mike1> daja77: :( [23:47] daja77 killed by noise at work [23:50] < rxr> linux24 now builds again ... -!- Irrsi Log closed Wed Aug 27 00:00:01 2003