--- Log opened Thu Aug 28 00:00:19 2003
00:00 < cchamilt> I complain about cpan, then you can comment on it about how cpan should be better utilized.
00:00 < martin> So, gn8 everybody and rxr
00:00 < daja77> rxr: congrats for leaving the windoze company
00:02 < cchamilt> smp: Is this OK? I am not sure all you want to say about cpan, so maybe you should do it as a comment to my flyspray and mail.
00:02 -!- martin [~martin@pD9E7B090.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux ("bye bye")
00:03 < tcr> SMP: as far as I understood, the problem isn't with flwrapper (as I actually thought of firstly, too), but with the fact that cspan package wouldn't have a fixed version
00:03 < SMP> of course
00:04 < SMP> I was just pointing out another difference that may or may not be actually relevant
00:04 < tcr> cchamilt: wait, I'm catching up atm
00:05 < rxr> daja77: thanks
00:05 < cchamilt> rxr: Going to start a drock company?
00:06 < rxr> cchamilt: yes
00:06 < rxr> daja77: thanks
00:06 < daja77> *gg*
00:07 < cchamilt> rxr: Got clients lined up?
00:08 < rxr> cchamilt: I'm working on this. The windows thing eat too much time I need to get all the basics here running ...
00:09 < cchamilt> rxr: If you need any free bad business advice just ask...
00:09 < jsaw> re
00:09 < daja77> hmm are the invali
00:09 < rxr> cchamilt: bad business ?
00:09 < daja77> d files ignored from Create-ISO?
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00:10 < tsa> hi all.
00:10 < tsa>  Subversion 0.28.0 
00:10 < cchamilt> rxr: bad is an adjective to advice
00:11 < daja77> hi tsa, we heard about it ...
00:11 < rxr> tsa: yes - thanks. But if you read the changes you'll know why I wait up to a .29 or .30 until I update next
00:11 < SMP> svn: Obstructed update
00:11 < SMP> svn: failed to add file 'misc/archive/hello.cs': object of the same name already exists
00:12 < SMP> what to do?
00:12 < jsaw> rm
00:12 < daja77> yepp
00:12 < SMP> /bin/rm or svn rm ?
00:12 < jsaw> bin
00:12 < daja77> d'oh jsaw faster than me ...
00:12 < cchamilt> OK, I am committing the flysprays.
00:12 < tcr> cchamilt: mom
00:13 < SMP> $ svn up misc/archive/
00:13 < SMP> svn: Filesystem has no item
00:13 < SMP> svn: REPORT request failed on '/svn/rock-linux/!svn/vcc/default'
00:13 < SMP> svn: file not found: transaction `333', path `/trunk/misc/archive/xctrld.c'
00:13 < daja77> just svn up should do
00:13 < tcr> cchamilt: Have you committed so far?
00:13 < cchamilt> tcr: no still cutting
00:13 < SMP> well, 'svn up dirctory/' _should_ do as well ...
00:14 < jsaw> svn cleanup
00:14 < SMP> svn: Obstructed update
00:14 < SMP> svn: failed to add file 'misc/archive/hello.cs':
00:14 < SMP> object of the same name is already scheduled for addition
00:14 < jsaw> what does svn misc/archive/hello.cs say?
00:14 < tcr> cchamilt: Do only one request about your thing (so the first two para's), the others things are more like just thrown-in and not really thought to their ends
00:14 < tsa> 1-linux24.err <- anyone seeing this?
00:15 < jsaw> SMP insert status
00:15 < tcr> cchamilt: and:
00:15 < jsaw> tsa: yes
00:15 < SMP> cleanup running ...
00:15 < jsaw> tvmixer etal
00:15 < tsa> jsaw: tvmixer stuff?
00:15 < daja77> i guess you deserve some pain for write c# stuff ;-)
00:15 < tsa> ack
00:15 < cchamilt> tcr: OK, you do the versioning stuff.
00:15 < jsaw> tsa: i2c interference
00:15 < tsa> i see.
00:15 < tcr> cchamilt: Add a paragraph to yours that tells about the actual problem, ie. the problem of non-fixed versions
00:15 < SMP> $ svn status misc/archive/hello.cs
00:15 < SMP> !      misc/archive/hello.cs
00:16 < jsaw> now, svn rm misc...
00:16 < cchamilt> tcr:I see a lead in to your proposition...
00:16 < tcr> cchamilt: which may require to a relaxation of pkg handling
00:16 < jsaw> SMP: somehow, this file was added locally before??? what have you done?
00:16 < daja77> what about a clean new checkout
00:17 < jsaw> SMP: and finally up
00:17 < SMP> of course I added it
00:17 < daja77> you have write access?
00:17 < SMP> so 'svn diff' catches it
00:17 < jsaw> svn add without having a real repo seams not to work.
00:17 < tcr> cchamilt: Yes, there is ;)
00:17 < jsaw> I ran into the same problem today several times.
00:17 < rxr> SMP: I would say you have to revert your change first
00:17 < rxr> then to the up ...
00:18 < jsaw> still it's a workaround.
00:19 < jsaw> that's definitely a bug in svn
00:19 < rxr> nope svn add schedules an addition
00:19 < rxr> then you get a conflict since it appeared in the repository ...
00:19 < SMP> svn should just do a merge on the add as it merges other conflicts, too
00:19 < jsaw> SMP said it.
00:19 < rxr> SMP: yes - that maybe.
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00:21 < tcr> rxr: Is it possible that flyspray sends an email to the list about new additions and the like?
00:22 < rxr> nope - but you can subscribe to some actions #
00:23 < tcr> that's not quite the same
00:23 < rxr> most people did not wanted svn commit mails on the list - so flyspray will also not be send there - except people wants this nowaaday 
00:23 < tcr> rxr: Should I send a email to the cliff so that he can push that as a feature request to the maintainers of flyspray?
00:24 < rxr> go on a vote for it - and maybe propose more lists ...
00:24 < cchamilt> OK, hopefully I have fullfilled the political requirements for tcr and smp's whims.
00:24 < rxr> tcr: erhm - maybe flysrpay can do this
00:24 < rxr> tcr: it is just a "does most people do want this" issue ..
00:24 < tcr> rxr: ??? I asked whether it is possible
00:24 < tcr> or not
00:24 < rxr> and I would also not liek to polute rock-linux with this - maybe rock-devel ...
00:25 < cchamilt> is there a devel list?
00:25 < tcr> Some weeks (or maybe one or two months ago) I'd strongly advocate a split of the mailinglist into some more specific ones
00:25 < rxr> not - yet but we had this which lists discussions some times - and the last decision was when we have more users on the list we'll open rock-devel ...
00:26 < rxr> tcr: me too ...
00:26 < tcr> Now, I'm not fully convinced anymore
00:26 < cchamilt> When we have lots of lusers then we do.  Right now we arent having many rtfms.
00:27 < daja77> omg horror stories at night
00:27 < jsaw> SMP: hehe, they're discussing the point on #svn..
00:29 < daja77> better than the discussion before
00:31 < rxr> who is jackr there ?
00:31 < daja77> dunno
00:31 < daja77> oh he missed the point
00:33 < daja77> oh my .. what dumbass
00:33 < tcr> ??
00:33 < daja77> jackr in #svn
00:34 < tcr> why's he dumbass?
00:34 < tcr> because he's within that channel? (j/k) ;)
00:35 < daja77> oh well, really don't wanna explain
00:35 < tcr> ok
00:40 < rxr> hm - the gnome-session is doing s.th. really evil
00:40 < daja77> what?
00:40 < tsa> it's starting gnome2, i guess..
00:41 < daja77> hehe
00:41 < rxr> tsa: daja77: see mailing list
00:41 < rxr> corrupts some font configs
00:41 < cchamilt> flyspray #147
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00:42 < daja77> erh yeah read it on ml, just thought you know more about this evil
00:42 < rxr> I'm still tracking this evil
00:42 < cchamilt> erp 148
00:42 < daja77> ic
00:42 < cchamilt> Man I need sleep.
00:42 < rxr> daja77: If I would know more I would help this user ...
00:43 < daja77> uppo isn't online atm ...
00:43 < daja77> :)
00:44 < daja77> odd, odd
00:44 < tcr> cchamilt: I guess it later over there than it's here(: nearly 1am)?
00:45 < daja77> I removed the files as suggested in invalid file list, just to notice that no newer packages were available even after rebuild
00:45 < daja77> good morning cchamilt ;-)
00:45 < cchamilt> Yes, 6:45am
00:46 * daja77 rerun build, hopefully the last time 
00:46 < rxr> jsaw: btw - have I got all of your patches applied - or are there some missing ?
00:47 < tcr> cchamilt: nevertheless well said
00:48 < jsaw> rxr: all that I _sent_ are applied. But about 20 are still missing :)
00:48 < cchamilt> You guys know this whole debate about cpan got me know where...
00:49 < tcr> know where?
00:49 < cchamilt> 02packages.details.txt.gz gives me the package name, current version, and url per line for each package...
00:49 < cchamilt> sleepy sleep
00:49 < jsaw> sleep well, cchamilt 
00:50 * daja77 checking the fridge for food
00:50 < daja77> n8 cchamilt 
00:50 < SMP> I'm off, too
00:50 < cchamilt> so I will end up doing some god awful grep script to make cpan packages in rock as is when i wake up.
00:50 < tcr> rxr: As I see you use emacs as mail client?
00:50 < cchamilt> I will shower rock with perl mods.
00:50 < tcr> gn8 cchamilt, smp
00:51 < cchamilt> bye
00:51 < rxr> tcr: sort of - xemacs ...
00:52 < tcr> rxr: that's not of any difference, as both have wonderful lisp interfaces ;)
00:52 < tsa> hm..
00:52 < tsa> package/aspell ?
00:52 < tsa> looks like a broken patch to me..
00:53 < tcr> rxr: so it shouldn't be that difficult to implement a patch-mailbox, where you filter all messages with a [PATCH] in subject into.
00:54 < tcr> rxr:Then do some magic macros (or whatever) that automatically proceeds those and remove sthem from that mailbox
00:54 < rxr> tcr: yes - thanks fixed
00:54 < tcr> I think you should be able to reduce the amount of missing patches
00:54 < tcr> that's way
00:54 < tsa> if ( /^Subject:.*PATCH/ )
00:54 < tsa> {
00:54 < tsa>   to "$HOME/mail/patches"
00:54 < tsa> } 
00:54 < tsa> (for maildrop)
00:55 < tcr> tsa: Not quite right, I think he'll only filter those comming through the rock-ml ;)
00:55 < rxr> tsa: tcr: I already have a Auto-Commit script 
00:55 < tsa> tcr: feel free to adapt that one ;-)
00:55 < rxr> but today jsaw resent them - although I did not wanted this to happen ...
00:55 < tcr> rxr: Well, yes, but it should be invokable from the mailclient, and it could do some other fancy stuff too
00:56 < tcr> like: verifying that this patch hasn't been applied so far
00:56 < rxr> yes - but I'm not such a LISP fan and also do not have unlimted time to become one in the next days ...
00:56 < tsa> tcr: "patch --dry-run"
00:56 < rxr> if you wanna provide some LISP code to do this for Mew I'll be happy
00:56 < rxr> I already asked for this on rock-linux - but nobody replied ...
00:56 < tsa> uhm..
00:56 < tsa> lisp.
00:57 < tcr> tsa: Yes :) but it should do that _automatically_ from the mailclient
00:57 * tsa will donate a few ((('s
00:57 < rxr> tcr: sure - and take a look into misc/archive/apply-patch (or what it name is)
00:57 < tcr> rxr: I know that there're such hacks for emacs
00:57 < jsaw> tsa: is the aspell patch really broken?
00:57 < tcr> and xemacs
00:57 < rxr> tcr: this is not emacs - this is a mail-client specific
00:57 < tsa> jsaw: yes - because it is in package/aspell and not package/rene/aspell ;)
00:57 < rxr> if you use VM, or Mew, or xyz ...
00:58 < rxr> tsa: already fixed
00:58 < tcr> rxr: Ah
00:58 * tsa svn up
00:59 < tsa> i wonder if there is still anyone using aspell...afaik, it's pretty old, unmaintained and better solutions probably exist)
00:59 < rxr> tsa: nope - it got updates and is currently under rewrite
00:59 < jsaw> enchant (-> abiword) can use aspell as backend
00:59 < tsa> ah, i see
00:59 < tcr> rxr: Well, it shouldn't be so hard to move messages around and call extern commands. And anyway, Lisp is on the way of the gate to hackers' heaven ;)
00:59 < rxr> aspell is and advanced replacement for ispell wich is an advanced replacement for spell
01:00 < rxr> I use aspell quite a lot ...
01:01 < tsa> hm...just being curious - what kind of work have you done with pace?
01:02 < rxr> win32 C++ (ok - crippled C++ -> like C w/ classes and 100$ spagethi code) coding for CAD applications to layout aircrafts ...
01:02 < tsa> hehe ;)
01:02 < rxr> s/$/%/
01:03 < tsa> did the resulting aitcrafts look like spaghetti, too? ;-)
01:03 < tsa> s/t/r/
01:04 < tcr> rxr: hungarian notation?
01:05 < rxr> if hungarian was this type in the name brain-deadness, then yes
01:05 < daja77> lol
01:05 < rxr> tcr: I think this parts should not be commented by me in public.
01:06 < tcr> microsoft invented hungarian notation and use it for all their code (and through their api it came in widespread use)
01:06 < tcr> it looks so _ugly_
01:09 < tcr> https://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnvsgen/html/hunganotat.asp
01:09 < tcr> look at the example on the bottom of that page
01:09 < tcr> and feel free to laugh your ass off
01:09 < rxr> tcr: I do not care about the look - it is ugly to use and of now value
01:09 < rxr> it just sucks
01:09 < rxr> as other naming conventions in wider use
01:10 < jsaw> I never heard of it, but now I know, why our microscope software segfaults so often...
01:11 < tcr> I'd bet that snippet would win a price at the obfuscated C contest ;)
01:11 < daja77> rofl haven't seen such crap for years
01:12 < daja77> since i stopped writing windows software years ago
01:13 < daja77> jsaw: that's a _feature_
01:14 < jsaw> daja77: you mean the segfault (or whatever it is called in win)?
01:14 < rxr> hm - if I should update XFree to utilize the recent snapshots ?
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01:15 < daja77> rxr: benefits?
01:15 < tcr> szSy= (psy=(struct SY*)&rgwDic[*pbsy])->sz;
01:16 < tcr> That's funny they reference rgwDic to dereference it
01:16 < tcr> I think they never heard of pointer arithmetics ...
01:16 < netrunner> CMD_WRAPPER: Can't execute 'gcc-3' -> abort.
01:16 < netrunner> grmpf
01:17 < rxr> daja77: many updates - and I hope this font issue goes away
01:17 < rxr> but there is some more intrusive stuff in the patches ..
01:17 < tcr> @$%! it's almost 1:30 in the morning, damn... gotta sleep cu all
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01:17 < daja77> hmm well rc2 is experimental anyway, so give it a try
01:17 < rxr> the XFree people really need intermediate bug-fix only releases between there milesontes every year or half year
01:17 < rxr> (in short: they suck)
01:18 < daja77> hehehe
01:18 < daja77> that's why they kicked that one guy out
01:18 < jsaw> -> xwin.org
01:18 < jsaw> daja77 was first
01:19 < netrunner> muahaha ... my gf currently watching pr0n ads in tv ... continuously shouting "what's that! look! have you seen that?!" *g*
01:19 < daja77> lol
01:19 < daja77> jsaw: but you were more precise ;)
01:20 < rxr> hm - shoudl I switch from this many files + patches - to the one file snapshot
01:20 < jsaw> actually more precise is www.xouvert.org
01:20 < daja77> rxr: ack
01:20 < jsaw> rxr: looking at the fixes, /me supports switching
01:20 < netrunner> rxr: I personally don't care, since I have all downloaded ... but for new user it's more pain to download 1k of incremental patches, no?
01:21 < daja77> it is a mess
01:23 * netrunner rofling listening to the tv zapping through the stations and finding same content everywhere :) (and judgements about the women's "capital" from the other side of the room :)
01:24 < rxr> daja77: what is a mess ?
01:24 < daja77> having thousands of files for x
01:26 < netrunner> hm ... what would stop executability of gcc-3 during a build ... when it was executed several times befor that point?
01:28 < netrunner> weird. ok, maybe I see something tomorrow, n8 for now 
01:28 < daja77> oh great now i have missing gems, what the heck is goin on
01:29 < daja77> ok starting that builds manually
01:30 < jsaw> daja77: lemma guess, scripts/Download failed?
01:31 < daja77> no packages are all here, but not rescheduled
01:32 < daja77> lol no io load is so high, that mplayer needs ages to read a file
01:32 < daja77> s/no/now
01:33 < netrunner> tcr: what's wrong with `perl -MCPAN -e'install My::Package'` ?
01:34 < daja77> erhm tcr is not here
01:36 < netrunner> oh I see ... talking to myself I am ... poor gollum
01:37 < daja77> my precious ;)
01:37 < netrunner> oh daja77 :) didn't know that side of yours!
01:38 * daja77 picking up his ring ...
01:38 < netrunner> daja77: I do not want to know what you normally use that ring for ;)
01:39 < netrunner> wonderful. now my gf tells me that she want's that hairstyle from one of the xxx hotline ad girls
01:39 < daja77> for rrruling this world ...
01:39 < daja77> netrunner: do you like it?
01:39 < netrunner> daja77: what, the haircut? aehm ... I was seduced not to watch her hair ;)
01:39 < daja77> lol
01:41 < netrunner> daja77: have you followed that conversation about perl module installation?
01:41 < daja77> partly, I went home during it
01:41 < jsaw> cu l8r
01:41 < netrunner> cu jsaw 
01:41 < daja77> dunno why it is such a big problem
01:41 < daja77> n8 jsaw 
01:42 < daja77> chris wants rock packages for everything :)
01:42 < netrunner> daja77: never mind, the problem with the cpan shell is that it would probably download the module ... but if it could be given via configfile that it is in the download/something ...
01:44 < daja77> argh
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01:46 < daja77> rc1 generic gives me headaches
01:46 < netrunner> installed files are tracked anyway ... so packaging that would probably be no problem.
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01:48 < netrunner> daja77: what? the only problem I had is linux24 ... and I see 1-iproute2 and 5-syslinux failing. 5-gtk+22 built after rescheduling it, no idea why the gcc-3 was suddenly not executable in that particular moment.
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01:49 < daja77> netrunner: problems due mixed up build i guess
01:49 < daja77> damn tar dies while packaging linux26-src
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01:51 < netrunner> hrmpf, nasm is built after syslinux, wrong dependency. I suppose that will be fixed automatically by the regression tester?
01:51 < daja77> hmm bzip2 takes 46% cpu load
01:53 < netrunner> daja77: had that problem once, bzip2 died while unpacking large packages (as linux), was a broken dimm
01:53 < daja77> netrunner: just don't!
01:53 < netrunner> have I mentioned that I have yet again 2 broken hdd? :)
01:53 < netrunner> daja77: don't what?
01:54 < daja77> tell me nightmare stories about my hw tonight
01:55 * daja77 too sensitive to take those today
01:55 < netrunner> daja77: ... and when it gets dark and the clock strikes 13 ... the moon shining on your case will erase your ... fridge's contents.
01:55 < daja77> haha no, it is better filled than usual
01:56 < daja77> filled that good, i could invite netrunner for breakfast :P
01:56 < netrunner> daja77: tell me when and where! :P
01:56 < netrunner> no, you made the location, I make the time :)
01:57 < daja77> Chemnitz, Saxony ...
01:57 * daja77 notes that he only said he could invite ...
01:58 < netrunner> daja77: coward! :)
01:58 < daja77> hehe
01:58 < daja77> well maybe another day, tomorrow i already have visitors
01:58 * netrunner to bed now. really. n8 *,daja77 
01:58 < daja77> n8 netrunner 
02:00 < daja77> is there a file where the missing files are stored?
02:00 < daja77> the file names of the missing files
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02:03 < daja77> boy your connection sucks
02:05 < n00kie> No daja, I guess, he just has X-Chat problems
02:05 < daja77> whatever
02:05 < n00kie> :-)
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02:06 < daja77> how comes that you are still awake?
02:06 < daja77> Pyro!
02:06 < Pyro> daja77: !
02:06 < daja77> :)
02:06 * Pyro just woke up..
02:07 < daja77> hi Miguel
02:07 < Pyro> how are you Daniel?
02:07 < daja77> huh strange time to wake up
02:07 < Pyro> re all
02:07 < daja77> fine, a bit tired
02:07 < Pyro> daja77: not if you go to bed at 9am..
02:07 < daja77> but still working to get rock generic isos ready
02:07 < daja77> oh ic
02:07 < Pyro> having fun?
02:08 < daja77> sort of
02:08 < Pyro> daja77: yeah time deadlines are killing me
02:08 < daja77> that's why they are called deadlines ...
02:09 < Pyro> yeah..
02:09 < daja77> but think of that: if you are dead, the deadline is passed as well
02:10 < Pyro> i guess
02:11 < daja77> so how are you, now?
02:11 < tsa> rxr: still awake?
02:11 < Pyro> good, i slept well, now ia m checking mails and getting ready to keep coding
02:11 < Pyro> hi tsa
02:11 < tsa> hi Pyro
02:12 < daja77> strange kdemultimedia still seems to fail in my rc1 builds
02:14 * daja77 making coffee for Pyro 
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02:15 < rxr> regarding your wolk discussion this afternoon their my fixing was correct and they have the same stuff
02:15 < daja77> parse error
02:16 < rxr> they have even strange updates between the lines I would not like in my kernel ...
02:16 < rxr> tsa: yes
02:16 < tsa> rxr: please update: man-pages 1.60
02:16 < daja77> ok now i got it
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02:17 < rxr> tsa: tested ?
02:17 < tsa> rxr: no.
02:18 < rxr> hm - we apply a patch ...
02:18 < tsa> mom
02:18 -!- Pyro is now known as Mike1
02:18 < Mike1> hi rxr
02:18 < Mike1> daja77: thanks for the coffee
02:19 < daja77> welcome in the world of the living
02:19 < Mike1> living?
02:19 < daja77> erh zombies
02:19 < daja77> sorry
02:19 < tsa> == 02:19:28 =[9]=> Building base/man-pages [1.60 2.0.0-rc2].
02:20 < tsa> [...]
02:20 < Mike1> :)
02:21 * daja77 slaps himself
02:21 < Mike1> daja77: no need to, i can do it for you if you like
02:21 * Mike1 gives 5 slaps to daja77
02:22 * daja77 kicks Mike1 
02:22 < Mike1> what? i was just trying to help
02:22 < daja77> but i am feeling better when kicking you :P
02:22 < tsa> *GRR*
02:23 < tsa> rxr: don't update.
02:23 < Mike1> you little @#$%$#
02:23 < tsa> rxr: shared files with fileutils.
02:23 * daja77 pets Mike1 
02:24 < tsa> (i guess this means shared files with coreutils for 2.0, but i can't test this because my rock is pretty old..
02:24 < tsa> )
02:24 < tsa> anyone running a system with coreutils here?
02:25 * daja77 slowly raises hand
02:25 < tsa> i.e. some rock 2.0-something
02:25 < tsa> cool.
02:25 < tsa> can you test man-pages 1.60?
02:25 < daja77> nope
02:25 < tsa> hm..ok.
02:25 * daja77 busy doin the latest rc1 builds
02:25 < tsa> hehe..ok
02:25 < Mike1> daja77: just launch a new xterm...
02:26 < daja77> i have only one cpu
02:26 < Mike1> daja77: it will work, trust me
02:26 * tsa could donate a p120 cpu ;)
02:26 < Mike1> tsa: donate it to me donate it to me
02:26 < daja77> hehe
02:26 < Mike1> :)
02:27 < tsa> Mike1: sure, no problem. you'll just have to come here and get it ;)
02:27 < daja77> hmm Hannover, right?
02:27 < tsa> bielefeld.
02:27 < Mike1> tsa: wouldn't it be easier for you to come?
02:28 < daja77> tsa: can't find it ;-)
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02:29 < tsa> Mike1: sure - right after my bank account will have a positive amount of money again..
02:29 < Mike1> tsa: hehe
02:29 < tsa> ok, 'nuff done for today...giong to get some sleep.
02:29 < tsa> cu all.
02:30 < rxr> hi Mike1 
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02:37 * daja77 trying to stay up
02:42 < rxr> You comments about my i2c adaptions are a bad joke - especially when you take a look into WOLK
02:42 < rxr> I really wonder if the code changes really work correctly
02:46 < rxr> and (btw) the WOLK is rahter unprofessional exported - normally I would expect a dir with a bunch of changeset rather then this eat-the-tar-or-die thing ...
03:11 < rolla> night all
03:12 < rxr> good night rolla 
03:13 < Freak> I'm bored.
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03:19 < rxr> Freak: should I post my xfree86 and linux24 build logs here?
03:19 < Freak> hehe :)
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03:36 < rxr> Freak: you could package tex4ht for me ?
03:40 < rxr> linux24 fixed
03:40 < mnemoc> re
03:43 < Freak> rxr: I'm not exactly sure you *want* me to do that ;)
03:44 < rxr> yes - I'm sure this package's distribution format is that ugly
03:44 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
03:44 < rxr> linux24 should be fixed now ...
03:44 < mnemoc> really? ;)
03:45 < mnemoc> based on wolk's work?
03:45 < rxr> read some lines of scrollback for rant about wolk ...
03:45 < rxr> I added the last missing lines myself (although some are just a quick hack - but the wolk people do it the same way ...)
03:47 < mnemoc> i tryed once to 'export' grsec+vserver from wolk, but.....
03:48 < Mike1> Hola mnemoc
03:49 < mnemoc> MIKE!!!!
03:49 < Mike1> ALE!!!!
03:50 < rxr> rehi Mike1 
03:50 < Mike1> :)
03:56 < mnemoc> how is your new life?
03:58 < Freak> neat.. when I remove a directory in a terminal while I'm in it with nautilus, if I perform an action then, nautilus crashes.
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03:59 < Mike1> mnemoc: quite good thanks, just busy as usuall, lots of coding
04:02 < Freak> why doesn't unzip let me perform "ls -l|xargs unzip"
04:03 < Freak> neither does unzip * work
04:04 < Freak> unzip is a stupid little critta.
04:05 < mnemoc> rxr: flyspray reg doesn't work for me neither under mozilla1.5a :(
04:06 < Freak> sweet.. "for name in *; do unzip $name; done" does the trick.
04:07 < Mike1> bbl
04:07 < mnemoc> weird
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04:07 < mnemoc> bye mike
04:09 < rxr> mnemoc: I try to reg you
04:09 < rxr> btw - this TeX fluff goes to my nerves ...
04:09 < rxr> damn crap
04:09 < rxr> oh - sorry
04:12 < rxr> mnemoc: strange does not work for me too now
04:12 < rxr> mnemoc: guess bug in the new version - or misconfiguration
04:12 < rxr> could you mail Clifford ?
04:13 < mnemoc> =) ... i'm not the only one
04:13 < mnemoc> i can but cliff has never answered a mail from me :(
04:16 < rxr> mnemoc: oh - really?
04:17 < rxr> mnemoc: mail him - and if he does not answer till tomorrow post-lunch - I'll phone him ...
04:18 < rxr> TeX4ht - when installing an application is harder then fixing i2c stuff in the linux kernel ... 
04:19 < rxr> :-((((
04:21 * rxr now throwing htlatex on the rock-handbook.tex and waiting curious for the html output ...
04:24 < mnemoc> sent
04:27 < rxr> to clifford at clifford.at ?
04:28 < rxr> so - WoW - htlatex looks not that bad
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04:33 < mnemoc> clifford@rock :(
04:33 < mnemoc> should i forward?
04:41 < rxr> nope this should also work (I hope - I hope you address ends with linux.org?)
04:55 < mnemoc> mine?
05:00 < rxr> hehe - the clifford@ one above ;-)
05:00 < rxr> btw, how are you ?
05:08 < mnemoc> fine ;)
05:08 < mnemoc> coding to insanity 
05:08 < mnemoc> and you?
05:11 < rxr> aside from htlatex driving me mad  - super
05:11 < rxr> if you wanna see ugly C code dive thru htlatex ...
05:18 < mnemoc> do you know of something for writing/viewing *TeX for win32? (not cygwin) 
05:19 < rxr> mnemoc: uh - no
05:20 < mnemoc> :(
05:20 < rxr> but you can mail Valentin Ziegler <ziegler qt informatik dot hu-berlin dot de>
05:20 < rxr> he has experience with TeX on Win* (although he normally uses ROCK Linux only ...)
05:21 < rxr> s/qt/at/ in the address ...
05:21 < rxr> you need to be quick - he will be in holiday starting at friday afternoon ...
05:24 < mnemoc> sent :)
05:25 < jsaw> mnemoc: miktex + ghostscript 
05:25 < jsaw> www.miktex.org
05:30 < mnemoc> nice :)
05:31 < jsaw> does this help u?
05:32 < mnemoc> i hope so :)
05:47 < rxr> wow - htlatex now works as expected and is (aside from the poor packaging, documentation and the quality of the two C-code files) a huge improvement over html2latex ...
05:47 < rxr> err latex2html of course ...
06:10 < mnemoc> rxr: u forgot a link in your annouce
06:10 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - noticed this after I pressed the send key ...
06:10 < rxr> maybe you could reply with the link (I hate to reply to my own mails ...)
06:11 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.net/people/rene/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbook.html
06:11 < rxr> and I'll also add a news entry for the homepage soon - the link will be included there ... ;-)
06:13 < mnemoc> sent
06:14 < jsaw> nice, indeed.
06:16 < mnemoc> ok... bed time... cu
06:17 < mnemoc> good night both
06:18 < jsaw> cu
06:20 < rxr> cu jsaw 
06:22 < jsaw> oh, I said this to mnemoc, but actually I'm also about to leave
06:25 < rxr> oh - miht be intuition but I meant mnemoc  ;-)
06:25 < rxr> seems to be too late for me ...
06:26 < rxr> especially during packages such a strange package ...
06:26 < jsaw> ?
06:28 < rxr> tex4ht ....
06:29 < rxr> raw C files - to be corrected dirs - and a everone-need-to-hand-edit(tm) config file ...
06:29 < jsaw> o_O
06:31 < rxr> but after some hours of tinkering and tuning it worked quite great ...
06:34 < jsaw> oh, oh, raidtools also ended up in package/ instead package/base
06:40 < rxr> oh - I oversaw this?
06:40 < rxr> jsaw: fixed
06:42 < jsaw> okay, I don't understand a single digit of my data anymore... I should sleep a few seconds
06:42 < jsaw> cu l8r, rxr
06:42 * jsaw off 2 bed
06:43 < rxr> a few seconds ?
06:43 < rxr> I hope you get a few more ;-) Godd day!
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07:28 < Mike1> re
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07:41 < cornflake> hey
07:43 < Mike1> hello cornflake
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07:44 < cornflake> sup Mike1
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08:25 < _NULL_> moin
08:39 < Mike1> hi _NULL_
08:40 < _NULL_> hi Mike1 :) 
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10:25 < daja77> moin
10:39 < Mike1> moin daja77
10:39 < daja77> moin Mike1 
10:40 < daja77> nice to see you here at this time
10:40 < Mike1> i told you i am working a lot for this time deadlines
10:41 < daja77> yes..yes you do
10:42 * daja77 happy that i got granny's printer working last night
10:42 < Mike1> i feel like shit..
10:43 * daja77 too
10:43 < Mike1> congratz daja77
10:43 < daja77> :)
10:45 < Mike1> what are you up to?
10:46 < daja77> still working on rc1 generic isos
10:46 < Mike1> hehe
10:46 < daja77> well i slept during the builds
10:47 < Mike1> yeah i used to do the same
10:47 < daja77> :)
10:48 < Mike1> anyways i will get my ass in bed now
10:48 < Mike1> its nearly 3am..
10:49 < daja77> bad thing is in some h people wanna have that isos
10:49 < daja77> gn8 Mike1 
10:49 < daja77> s/isos/ready cdroms
10:52 < Mike1> n8 all
10:52 * Mike1 is away: zZzZ!!!
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11:49 < spectre> hi
11:50 < Ge0rG> good morning
11:51 < spectre> I'm trying to build mine-0.14  on drock-1.6.1 , but it fails with the error :
11:51 < spectre> checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
11:51 < spectre> See `config.log' for more details.
11:51 < spectre> make: *** [libtar-1.2.11/lib/libtar.a] Fehler 77
11:51 < spectre> good morning Ge0rG
11:52 < spectre> alternatively, I do have a mine.gem package... but it cannot extract it with zip/bzip[2] 
11:53 < spectre> if You could tell me how to extract it from the .gem file it should be fine, too :)
11:54 < spectre> I don't have it under tools.cross since I made this build on a running drock2.0beta7 without cross-compiling
11:58 < alanw> have a look in config.log and see if there is any clue as to why the test
11:58 < alanw> for a working C compiler failed
12:00 < spectre> conftest.c:0: malformed option `-D 'MINE_VERSION="0.14"''
12:00 < spectre> configure:2013: $? = 1
12:00 < spectre> configure: failed program was:
12:00 < spectre> | #line 1986 "configure"
12:01 < spectre> the only funy  looking part in libtar's config.log
12:01 < spectre> yeah, the compiler is working and it hs produced executables before :)
12:02 < spectre> the error should be from this line :
12:02 < spectre> tar-1.2.11/listhash -D'MINE_VERSION="0.14"' -O2 -ggdb -DUSE_AVL=1   conftest.c  >&5
12:03 < alanw> what version of gcc are you compiling with? "gcc -v" will tell you
12:03 < spectre> Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-linux-gnu/2.95.3/specs
12:03 < spectre> gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release)
12:04 < spectre> (the compiler that comes with drock-1.6.1
12:05 < spectre> I hardly ever had a problem with compiling anything with it :)
12:07 < spectre> I gotta get some breakfast, brb
12:07 < alanw> that's quite an old version of gcc, but should be stable
12:08 < alanw> the only thing I note is the space after the -D in the lines from config.log
12:08 < alanw> did you cut and paste that, or is it a typo?
12:08 < spectre> c&p
12:09 < spectre> I could try changing that, though I'm not sure in which file .. configure.ac ?
12:10 < spectre> however tar-1.2.11/listhash -D'MINE_VERSION="0.14"' -O2 -ggdb -DUSE_AVL=1   conftest.c  >&5 - no space in the line above the error
12:10 < alanw> there is a patch file no-crash-and-comments.patch which modifies that line
12:11 < alanw> Are you building with scripts/Build-Pkg ?
12:11 < alanw> Might I suggest building by hand, and if/when things go wrong, try cd'ing into
12:11 < spectre> libtar-1.2.11.patch ?
12:12 < alanw> the appropriate directory and trying the gcc line from your command line,
12:12 < alanw> modifying it until it doesn't give errors.
12:12 < spectre> no, I'm trying to build by hand with make USE_GAS=0
12:12 < alanw> the patch is /spare/rock-src-svn/package/base/mine/no-crash-and-comments.patch
12:13 < alanw> I'm looking at the latest svn checkout
12:20 < spectre> gcc -Icdb-0.75 -Ibzip2-1.0.2 -Ilibtar-1.2.11/lib -I. -Wall -Ilibtar-1.2.11/listhash -D'MINE_VERSION="0.14"' -O2 -ggdb -DUSE_AVL=1   conftest.c  >&5
12:20 < spectre> throws "invalid file-descriptor"
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12:22 < dennis> moin 
12:22 < spectre> moin dennis
12:22 < dennis> hi spectre 
12:23 < alanw> drop the ">&5" from the end
12:24 < spectre> thx, I got it :)
12:24 < spectre> just used the configure in libtar subdir and typed make and then make again in the main dir
12:24 < spectre> got mime :-)
12:25 < spectre> no clue why that worked, but I'm happy (:
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12:30 < spectre> btw: I had problems with a few packages on my first compile of drock-2.0beta7 ghostscript is not working and I recall having some font-config Problem upon X startup 
12:31 < spectre> I couldn't solve it quickly so I installed Xfree 4.2.1
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13:00 < spectre> ah-installed :)
13:01 < spectre> cu
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13:34 < daja77> rxr: PING
13:47 < rxr> re
13:47 < rxr> pong
13:47 < daja77> rxr: just tested install with rc1
13:47 < rxr> and
13:48 < daja77> the scrollkeeper setup is screwed cos it tries to download dtd's from the net
13:48 < daja77> maybe that is a reason why gnome is borken
13:49 < daja77> + grub setup failed again on that box, checking tonight
13:49 < rxr> ah yes we need to fix this - and it is not the reason why gnome is broken - this is only for the help-system ...
13:49 < daja77> ok thx anyway
13:49 < rxr> I tested both grub and lilo - both worked fine
13:49 < rxr> yes - thanks for the reminder, too ;-)
13:49 < daja77> maybe it failed cos of the old grub on mbr?
13:50 < rxr> it shouldn't - and mine had a grub in the mbr, too...
13:51 < daja77> ok gave away the first cd set to a tester, he will report this evening
13:51 < daja77> preparing another for the second tester right now ;-)
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13:55 < rxr> nice - so I should just announce it now ?
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13:55 < daja77> hmm i would wait for the reports, perhaps
13:55 < rxr> well - ok, dum di dum - I'm alreay waiting so long ...
13:56 < daja77> i could now tell you a story that patience pays, but hey it is up to you when to announce
13:57 < rxr> yeah - I wait ...
13:57 < daja77> :)
13:57 < daja77> if i get no reports this evening, announce anyway
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14:38 < daja77> rotfl, your commit messages are funny
14:39 < rxr> daja77: it might fix the bug - and in fact it did not fix it (I committed this on a PowerPC where the build failed and wanted to push the changeset to the x86 build-server) so I already knew that it might not fix the bug ...
14:40 < rxr> I investigate this in some hours - when I'm back from a short shopping trip with Verena ...
14:40 < rxr> cu
14:42 < daja77> cu, have fun
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14:57 < daja77> cu later guys
14:59 < spectre> re
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15:27 < owl_> moin
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15:40 < spectre> moin owl Du _NULL_ ;)
15:41 < daja77> oh my, how funny
15:42 < _NULL_> spectre: who are you?
15:44 < _NULL_> daja77: do you know by accident if the "acer mini bluetooth usb dongle" is supported under linux? (i found something on bluez...)
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15:47 < Ge0rG> _NULL_: most bluetooth usb dongles are
15:47 < _NULL_> Ge0rG: kewl ;)
15:47 < _NULL_> thx
15:47 < Ge0rG> _NULL_: but you should install the -mh kernel patches
15:47 < Ge0rG> ,oO( 2.4.21-rock-mh2-laptop1 )
15:48 < _NULL_> mh?
15:48 < Ge0rG> should be on one of the linux-bluetooth web pages
15:49 < spectre> _NULL_ someone who's using rocklinux
15:49 < _NULL_> k. thx. 
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16:30 < netrunner> re
16:31 < netrunner> hm ... an old schoolmate of mine used to use the nick spectre ...
16:40 < dennis> re 
16:43 < netrunner> == 12:52:17 =[5]=> Building mnemoc/mono [0.25 2.0.0-rc2].
16:43 < netrunner> and still building ... there is a mono process running at 99.1% CPU for 229:02.11 minutes now.
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16:44 < netrunner>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  Command                                                                                                                         
16:45 < netrunner> 17566 root      14   0 12272  11m 3592 R 99.9  1.3 230:51.90 mono  
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17:08 < daja77> wooohooo 2.0.0rc1 install on laptop with ati mobility successful
17:22 * Mike1 is back (gone 06:29:43)
17:22 < Mike1> those are great news daja77
17:22 < Mike1> mojn all btw
17:22 < Mike1> moin even
17:25 < daja77> hi Mike1 
17:25 < daja77> I have even better news
17:25 < daja77> but not here
17:41 * daja77 now goin cu
17:46 < rolla> re
17:52 < Mike1> rolla: 
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18:04 < rolla> Mike1: 
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18:50 < daja77> hi rolla :)
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18:58 < netrunner> argl, bad weather moving in
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19:07 < holyolli> moin
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19:11 < holyolli> hi tcr
19:12 < tcr> moin all
19:13 < tcr> Anyone here who could clarify me with the copyright notes? I know there's some special tag, but I can't really remember..
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19:31 < tcr> rxr: ping
19:41 < daja77> what do you mean?
19:44 < tcr> nevermind
19:45 < daja77> so you found it?
19:46 < tcr> Just copied
19:46 < daja77> hmm k.
19:51 < owl> moin
19:51 < owl> someone knows if a) it is possible to run a ssh-client on ericsson t610 and b) possible to use a sitecom usb bluetooth adapter on linux?
19:52 < daja77> O_o
19:52 < owl> daja77: ?
19:54 < tcr> Quite extravagant question
19:54 < owl> sure ;p
19:54 < daja77> are you talking about a mobile phone?
19:54 < owl> daja77: yes.
19:55 < daja77> ssh on mobile, why that?
19:56 < owl> because it would be a nice feature... gprs and hscsd are not that expensive, and if you're in berlin or so, and have no notebook with you, you can at leat connect to aszlig.net and read mails ;p
19:57 < daja77> hehe
19:57 < owl> daja77: why "hehe"? ;) it's nice, isn't it?
19:58 < daja77> it is
19:58 < daja77> defintely
19:58 < owl> i hope that my mobile supports "sockets" in java... (in forums they say, it doesn't...)
19:58 < daja77> Ge0rG used gprs while driving with me (from his laptop)
19:59 < daja77> but he had to pay nothing ...
19:59 < owl> hehe ;) yes. and i used gprs in holiday too... with my e-mail-client on the mobile and so... but just on the mobile --> limited length of chars afaik and so...
19:59 < owl> to pay nothing? O_o w00t - i want this contract too ;p
20:01 < daja77> well he cheated
20:02 < daja77> but hey ask him about that
20:02 < owl> *g* Ge0rG - "bei fuss" ;ppp
20:03 < daja77> ok cu later
20:04 < owl> bye daja77 
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21:04 < spectre> netrunner: I doubt that we know echother
21:04 < spectre> brb (hoffentlich)
21:04 < netrunner> spectre: never went to school? *g*
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21:05 < netrunner> ts ... refuses to talk to me :/
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21:06 < rammi> hi.. 
21:07 < rammi> https://rootshell.be/~ram/EXP/rock2.png what do you think?
21:07 < rammi> this is not the final ver.
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21:11 < dennis> rammi: i think bg black and fg white would be better. for people who don't know that rock just released version 2.0.0 the charakter doesn't say anything
21:14 < rammi> okej.. i will make another version, whit bg black and fg white.. 
21:15 < rammi> tnx.. 
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21:25 < daja77> lol https://www.titanic-magazin.de/download/images/0807telekomschulfrei640x480.jpg
21:26 < daja77> rxr: announce please, got only one report, was positive
21:27 * daja77 now off to bed
21:27 < Freak> gn8 daja77
21:27 < daja77> hi Freak 
21:27 < daja77> you liked that movie?
21:27 < Freak> yea!! was great
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21:27 < Freak> thanks again
21:27 < spectre> re
21:27 < daja77> np
21:28 < Freak> anyone recall the name of the movie shown at linuxtag..
21:28 * daja77 now really off
21:28 < Freak> with the appartment and the musicians..
21:28 < Freak> gnite again daja77
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21:29 < spectre> awesome, using an athlon-xp optimized drock-2.0beta7 build makes ut2k3 run fast&smooth =)
21:30 < spectre> thank You for this kickass distro  (-:
21:33 < Freak> heh
21:35 * netrunne1 busy playing lbreakout2 ... and accidently discovered the loop protection :)
21:35 < spectre> Freak ? nightloop Freak ?
21:35 < Freak> ?
21:35 < Freak> supposedly not
21:36 < spectre> okay :)
21:36 < spectre> you never know
21:36 < rxr> re
21:36 < netrunne1> spectre: hey, you just gave me a nice idea ... must have ut2k isos somewhere ... where's the linux part?
21:37 < spectre> linux part - You mean the installer ?
21:37 < spectre> I just moved from drock-1.6 to drock-2.0beta7 build for ythlon-xp and my god it's faster =)
21:38 < spectre> really faster
21:39 < rxr> spectre: I collect happy user messages on www.rocklinux.org
21:39 < rxr> maybe you could put this into some nice buissenes words and send it as email to me ? ;-)
21:40 < spectre> shua :-)
21:40 < spectre> rene rabe ?
21:41 < Freak> gnite guys
21:41 < spectre> n8 Freak
21:41 < rxr> spectre: yes rene@rocklinux.org
21:42 < spectre> okay, You'll get it - just how business-like do You want it (irc or english) ? 
21:44 < spectre> serious, it flies, playing it 1280x1024x32 mostly every detail and not a sign of jerkiness
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21:44 < spectre> didn't think using an optimized build would do that much 
21:45 < rxr> spectre: english - w/ the possibility to publish it for normal companies to read on the homepage ...
21:45 < netrunner> spectre: if that would be the case then why do they invent those nifty little tricks in new cpu generations? :)
21:46 < spectre> I thought it was, so that M$ can make commercials ;)
21:46 < mnemoc_> re
21:46 -!- mnemoc_ is now known as mnemoc
21:48 < spectre> still, I did not think it would do so much, since most of the the game should only depend on GL
21:48 < rxr> spectre: nope - much in the game needs to compute massive ammounts of geometry data
21:49 < spectre> and it uses standard libs for that ?
21:49 < rxr> but this is in game - and it sucks that you do not have the source to reoptimize it ... - but also the free driver for OpenGL, X, LibC, Kernel ... do influence the thruput ...
21:49 < rxr> spectre: which graphic card are you using ?
21:50 < spectre> gf4ti4800
21:50 < spectre> cheapo version by PNY tech
21:50 < spectre> it was the only box that actually listet on the box that it was fully linux supported
21:51 < spectre> I'm atad annoyed that a lot of hw that is linux compatible doesn't sy so on the box anywhere
21:51 < mnemoc> rxr: hi, did u look inside iproute2 bug?
21:53 < spectre> I'd like to compare some framerates to a winXp install on this.. but I'd have to install windoze
21:54 < rxr> mnemoc: nope - the short trip took longer then expected
21:54 < rxr> and I also reviewd the complete handbook this afternoon (I now have blue comments on every page - and will take the next 4-5 hours to type this all into the .tex files ...)
21:55 < rxr> I'll now first fix iproute - and then work the night on the book v.0.0.7 ...
21:55 < mnemoc> sockaddr_storage <-- looks guilty
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22:13 < netrunner> freaking kde takes so long :( == 21:07:51 =[5]=> Building kde31/kdelibs31 [3.1.3 2.0.0-rc2].
22:21 < mnemoc> damn socket.h has not changed between 2.4.21 and 2.4.22 :(
22:21 < mnemoc> why is it incomplete now :(
22:25 < rxr> mnemoc: I'm already fixing this
22:25 < rxr> mom
22:30 < rxr> ok - iproute progresses ...
22:30 < rxr> ok - finished
22:30 < rxr> now I ned to do the patchwork ...
22:35 < mnemoc> BRB
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22:43 < rxr> ok - test running and then I commit the final files
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22:43 < rxr> you need to rebuild linux-hader (yet again) in order to compile iproute2 ...
22:44 < netrunner> 1.5h for kdelibs ... hope esden make that dietable :)
22:44 < rxr> hehe - but not in the next year - I guess ...
22:45 < alanw> i've just arrived, and noticed someone is asking about iproute2
22:45 < Mike1> re hi.
22:45 < alanw> I had problems yesterday compiling against kernel 2.4.22
22:45 < alanw> and posted a patch to the mailing list
22:47 < rxr> I'm just fixing this ...
22:47 < rxr> hi alanw - nice to see you here!
22:48 < alanw> hi - I'm fairly new to this IRC stuff, but I haven't sorted out
22:48 < alanw> home and work e-mail yet, and tried joining the IRC channel from work
22:48 < alanw> It's something to do while you are waiting for the builds.
22:49 * netrunner opening another 15 toffifee 
22:49 < alanw> I have a nice fast P4 2.3GHz box to play with, so they don't take too long
22:49 < rxr> yes
22:49 < alanw> Tomorrow I'll be installing my own LAMP target onto said box,
22:50 < alanw> ready to be shipped up as a demo to a client next week.
22:51 < rxr> alanw: great
22:51 < rxr> alanw: for which company do you work ?
22:51 < alanw> Don't laugh - please
22:52 < alanw> It's called FrogTrade
22:52 < alanw> https://www.frogtrade.com/
22:52 < alanw> I've only recently joined the company
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22:53 < alanw> the other guys there are basically implemented a Windows-like
22:53 < alanw> point and click interface in Javascript with a Apache/PHP/MySQL
22:53 < alanw> backend, and I'm setting up the boxes for them.
22:53 < alanw> Currently, we are marketing them to schools, and (we hope)
22:54 < alanw> I'll be administering them remotely over the Internet
22:54 < rxr> are all of them rock-linux powered?
22:54 < alanw> from now on they all will be
22:54 < alanw> there are a few demonstration boxes floating around
22:55 < alanw> with a 6 month old version of Mandrake on them.
22:55 < rxr> if they will be really rock-powered, would your company like to get into the portfolio list on rocklinux.org ?
22:56 < alanw> I didn't know there was one.
22:57 < rxr> there is non - but we want one ;-)!
22:57 < alanw> I'll have to speak to the boss, but I should expect he'll be happy to
22:57 < alanw> I've just looked at rocklinux.org, and all there is is a directory
22:58 < alanw> listing of error.html and export.log
22:58 < rxr> oO
22:58 < rxr> a few minutes ago this was working
22:58 < rxr> maybe clifford just in this second messed s.th. up ?!?!
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22:59 < rxr> ah - maybe he is regenerating the static content to fix the errors in the .html headers ...
22:59 < rxr> the dynamic content is here:
22:59 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.net/typo3/
23:06 < alanw> goodnight - I'm off for an early night - I have a hard day's installing tomorrow ;-)
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23:10 < tcr> re all
23:11 < tcr> SMP, rxr: ping
23:11 < rxr> pong
23:11 < tcr> www.rocklinux.org is b0rken
23:11 < rxr> yes - saw this - mailed cliff already ..
23:11 < rxr> use .net/typo3 in the maintime
23:11 < tcr> Ah oks
23:12 < rxr> maybe this is even a scheduled regenerate session by cliff or so - don't now ..
23:14 < rxr> hm - he is not reachable via cell-phone - currently :-(
23:14 < rxr> w'll see
23:14 < tcr> Yeah. Btw. you can await some patches from me in some minutes
23:26 < tcr> rxr: How can I have an own page for a 'choice' block? (speaking about config.in files)
23:27 < tcr> if I use menu_begin/_end it gets an own page, but block_begin/_end with choice doesn't
23:29 < tcr> Oh, nevermind. I changed my opinion and I think it's ok with menu_begin
23:59 < netrunner> wow, I made it into the statistic :) 
23:59 < netrunner> place 30 :)
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