-!- Irrsi Log opened Thu Aug 28 00:00:19 2003
[00:00] < cchamilt> I complain about cpan, then you can comment on it about how cpan should be better utilized.
[00:00] < martin> So, gn8 everybody and rxr
[00:00] < daja77> rxr: congrats for leaving the windoze company
[00:02] < cchamilt> smp: Is this OK? I am not sure all you want to say about cpan, so maybe you should do it as a comment to my flyspray and mail.
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[00:03] < tcr> SMP: as far as I understood, the problem isn't with flwrapper (as I actually thought of firstly, too), but with the fact that cspan package wouldn't have a fixed version
[00:03] < SMP> of course
[00:04] < SMP> I was just pointing out another difference that may or may not be actually relevant
[00:04] < tcr> cchamilt: wait, I'm catching up atm
[00:05] < rxr> daja77: thanks
[00:05] < cchamilt> rxr: Going to start a drock company?
[00:06] < rxr> cchamilt: yes
[00:06] < rxr> daja77: thanks
[00:06] < daja77> *gg*
[00:07] < cchamilt> rxr: Got clients lined up?
[00:08] < rxr> cchamilt: I'm working on this. The windows thing eat too much time I need to get all the basics here running ...
[00:09] < cchamilt> rxr: If you need any free bad business advice just ask...
[00:09] < jsaw> re
[00:09] < daja77> hmm are the invali
[00:09] < rxr> cchamilt: bad business ?
[00:09] < daja77> d files ignored from Create-ISO?
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[00:10] < tsa> hi all.
[00:10] < tsa> Subversion 0.28.0
[00:10] < cchamilt> rxr: bad is an adjective to advice
[00:11] < daja77> hi tsa, we heard about it ...
[00:11] < rxr> tsa: yes - thanks. But if you read the changes you'll know why I wait up to a .29 or .30 until I update next
[00:11] < SMP> svn: Obstructed update
[00:11] < SMP> svn: failed to add file 'misc/archive/hello.cs': object of the same name already exists
[00:12] < SMP> what to do?
[00:12] < jsaw> rm
[00:12] < daja77> yepp
[00:12] < SMP> /bin/rm or svn rm ?
[00:12] < jsaw> bin
[00:12] < daja77> d'oh jsaw faster than me ...
[00:12] < cchamilt> OK, I am committing the flysprays.
[00:12] < tcr> cchamilt: mom
[00:13] < SMP> $ svn up misc/archive/
[00:13] < SMP> svn: Filesystem has no item
[00:13] < SMP> svn: REPORT request failed on '/svn/rock-linux/!svn/vcc/default'
[00:13] < SMP> svn: file not found: transaction `333', path `/trunk/misc/archive/xctrld.c'
[00:13] < daja77> just svn up should do
[00:13] < tcr> cchamilt: Have you committed so far?
[00:13] < cchamilt> tcr: no still cutting
[00:13] < SMP> well, 'svn up dirctory/' _should_ do as well ...
[00:14] < jsaw> svn cleanup
[00:14] < SMP> svn: Obstructed update
[00:14] < SMP> svn: failed to add file 'misc/archive/hello.cs':
[00:14] < SMP> object of the same name is already scheduled for addition
[00:14] < jsaw> what does svn misc/archive/hello.cs say?
[00:14] < tcr> cchamilt: Do only one request about your thing (so the first two para's), the others things are more like just thrown-in and not really thought to their ends
[00:14] < tsa> 1-linux24.err <- anyone seeing this?
[00:15] < jsaw> SMP insert status
[00:15] < tcr> cchamilt: and:
[00:15] < jsaw> tsa: yes
[00:15] < SMP> cleanup running ...
[00:15] < jsaw> tvmixer etal
[00:15] < tsa> jsaw: tvmixer stuff?
[00:15] < daja77> i guess you deserve some pain for write c# stuff ;-)
[00:15] < tsa> ack
[00:15] < cchamilt> tcr: OK, you do the versioning stuff.
[00:15] < jsaw> tsa: i2c interference
[00:15] < tsa> i see.
[00:15] < tcr> cchamilt: Add a paragraph to yours that tells about the actual problem, ie. the problem of non-fixed versions
[00:15] < SMP> $ svn status misc/archive/hello.cs
[00:15] < SMP> ! misc/archive/hello.cs
[00:16] < jsaw> now, svn rm misc...
[00:16] < cchamilt> tcr:I see a lead in to your proposition...
[00:16] < tcr> cchamilt: which may require to a relaxation of pkg handling
[00:16] < jsaw> SMP: somehow, this file was added locally before??? what have you done?
[00:16] < daja77> what about a clean new checkout
[00:17] < jsaw> SMP: and finally up
[00:17] < SMP> of course I added it
[00:17] < daja77> you have write access?
[00:17] < SMP> so 'svn diff' catches it
[00:17] < jsaw> svn add without having a real repo seams not to work.
[00:17] < tcr> cchamilt: Yes, there is ;)
[00:17] < jsaw> I ran into the same problem today several times.
[00:17] < rxr> SMP: I would say you have to revert your change first
[00:17] < rxr> then to the up ...
[00:18] < jsaw> still it's a workaround.
[00:19] < jsaw> that's definitely a bug in svn
[00:19] < rxr> nope svn add schedules an addition
[00:19] < rxr> then you get a conflict since it appeared in the repository ...
[00:19] < SMP> svn should just do a merge on the add as it merges other conflicts, too
[00:19] < jsaw> SMP said it.
[00:19] < rxr> SMP: yes - that maybe.
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[00:21] < tcr> rxr: Is it possible that flyspray sends an email to the list about new additions and the like?
[00:22] < rxr> nope - but you can subscribe to some actions #
[00:23] < tcr> that's not quite the same
[00:23] < rxr> most people did not wanted svn commit mails on the list - so flyspray will also not be send there - except people wants this nowaaday
[00:23] < tcr> rxr: Should I send a email to the cliff so that he can push that as a feature request to the maintainers of flyspray?
[00:24] < rxr> go on a vote for it - and maybe propose more lists ...
[00:24] < cchamilt> OK, hopefully I have fullfilled the political requirements for tcr and smp's whims.
[00:24] < rxr> tcr: erhm - maybe flysrpay can do this
[00:24] < rxr> tcr: it is just a "does most people do want this" issue ..
[00:24] < tcr> rxr: ??? I asked whether it is possible
[00:24] < tcr> or not
[00:24] < rxr> and I would also not liek to polute rock-linux with this - maybe rock-devel ...
[00:25] < cchamilt> is there a devel list?
[00:25] < tcr> Some weeks (or maybe one or two months ago) I'd strongly advocate a split of the mailinglist into some more specific ones
[00:25] < rxr> not - yet but we had this which lists discussions some times - and the last decision was when we have more users on the list we'll open rock-devel ...
[00:26] < rxr> tcr: me too ...
[00:26] < tcr> Now, I'm not fully convinced anymore
[00:26] < cchamilt> When we have lots of lusers then we do. Right now we arent having many rtfms.
[00:27] < daja77> omg horror stories at night
[00:27] < jsaw> SMP: hehe, they're discussing the point on #svn..
[00:29] < daja77> better than the discussion before
[00:31] < rxr> who is jackr there ?
[00:31] < daja77> dunno
[00:31] < daja77> oh he missed the point
[00:33] < daja77> oh my .. what dumbass
[00:33] < tcr> ??
[00:33] < daja77> jackr in #svn
[00:34] < tcr> why's he dumbass?
[00:34] < tcr> because he's within that channel? (j/k) ;)
[00:35] < daja77> oh well, really don't wanna explain
[00:35] < tcr> ok
[00:40] < rxr> hm - the gnome-session is doing s.th. really evil
[00:40] < daja77> what?
[00:40] < tsa> it's starting gnome2, i guess..
[00:41] < daja77> hehe
[00:41] < rxr> tsa: daja77: see mailing list
[00:41] < rxr> corrupts some font configs
[00:41] < cchamilt> flyspray #147
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[00:42] < daja77> erh yeah read it on ml, just thought you know more about this evil
[00:42] < rxr> I'm still tracking this evil
[00:42] < cchamilt> erp 148
[00:42] < daja77> ic
[00:42] < cchamilt> Man I need sleep.
[00:42] < rxr> daja77: If I would know more I would help this user ...
[00:43] < daja77> uppo isn't online atm ...
[00:43] < daja77> :)
[00:44] < daja77> odd, odd
[00:44] < tcr> cchamilt: I guess it later over there than it's here(: nearly 1am)?
[00:45] < daja77> I removed the files as suggested in invalid file list, just to notice that no newer packages were available even after rebuild
[00:45] < daja77> good morning cchamilt ;-)
[00:45] < cchamilt> Yes, 6:45am
[00:46] daja77 rerun build, hopefully the last time
[00:46] < rxr> jsaw: btw - have I got all of your patches applied - or are there some missing ?
[00:47] < tcr> cchamilt: nevertheless well said
[00:48] < jsaw> rxr: all that I _sent_ are applied. But about 20 are still missing :)
[00:48] < cchamilt> You guys know this whole debate about cpan got me know where...
[00:49] < tcr> know where?
[00:49] < cchamilt> 02packages.details.txt.gz gives me the package name, current version, and url per line for each package...
[00:49] < cchamilt> sleepy sleep
[00:49] < jsaw> sleep well, cchamilt
[00:50] daja77 checking the fridge for food
[00:50] < daja77> n8 cchamilt
[00:50] < SMP> I'm off, too
[00:50] < cchamilt> so I will end up doing some god awful grep script to make cpan packages in rock as is when i wake up.
[00:50] < tcr> rxr: As I see you use emacs as mail client?
[00:50] < cchamilt> I will shower rock with perl mods.
[00:50] < tcr> gn8 cchamilt, smp
[00:51] < cchamilt> bye
[00:51] < rxr> tcr: sort of - xemacs ...
[00:52] < tcr> rxr: that's not of any difference, as both have wonderful lisp interfaces ;)
[00:52] < tsa> hm..
[00:52] < tsa> package/aspell ?
[00:52] < tsa> looks like a broken patch to me..
[00:53] < tcr> rxr: so it shouldn't be that difficult to implement a patch-mailbox, where you filter all messages with a [PATCH] in subject into.
[00:54] < tcr> rxr:Then do some magic macros (or whatever) that automatically proceeds those and remove sthem from that mailbox
[00:54] < rxr> tcr: yes - thanks fixed
[00:54] < tcr> I think you should be able to reduce the amount of missing patches
[00:54] < tcr> that's way
[00:54] < tsa> if ( /^Subject:.*PATCH/ )
[00:54] < tsa> {
[00:54] < tsa> to "$HOME/mail/patches"
[00:54] < tsa> }
[00:54] < tsa> (for maildrop)
[00:55] < tcr> tsa: Not quite right, I think he'll only filter those comming through the rock-ml ;)
[00:55] < rxr> tsa: tcr: I already have a Auto-Commit script
[00:55] < tsa> tcr: feel free to adapt that one ;-)
[00:55] < rxr> but today jsaw resent them - although I did not wanted this to happen ...
[00:55] < tcr> rxr: Well, yes, but it should be invokable from the mailclient, and it could do some other fancy stuff too
[00:56] < tcr> like: verifying that this patch hasn't been applied so far
[00:56] < rxr> yes - but I'm not such a LISP fan and also do not have unlimted time to become one in the next days ...
[00:56] < tsa> tcr: "patch --dry-run"
[00:56] < rxr> if you wanna provide some LISP code to do this for Mew I'll be happy
[00:56] < rxr> I already asked for this on rock-linux - but nobody replied ...
[00:56] < tsa> uhm..
[00:56] < tsa> lisp.
[00:57] < tcr> tsa: Yes :) but it should do that _automatically_ from the mailclient
[00:57] tsa will donate a few ((('s
[00:57] < rxr> tcr: sure - and take a look into misc/archive/apply-patch (or what it name is)
[00:57] < tcr> rxr: I know that there're such hacks for emacs
[00:57] < jsaw> tsa: is the aspell patch really broken?
[00:57] < tcr> and xemacs
[00:57] < rxr> tcr: this is not emacs - this is a mail-client specific
[00:57] < tsa> jsaw: yes - because it is in package/aspell and not package/rene/aspell ;)
[00:57] < rxr> if you use VM, or Mew, or xyz ...
[00:58] < rxr> tsa: already fixed
[00:58] < tcr> rxr: Ah
[00:58] tsa svn up
[00:59] < tsa> i wonder if there is still anyone using aspell...afaik, it's pretty old, unmaintained and better solutions probably exist)
[00:59] < rxr> tsa: nope - it got updates and is currently under rewrite
[00:59] < jsaw> enchant (-> abiword) can use aspell as backend
[00:59] < tsa> ah, i see
[00:59] < tcr> rxr: Well, it shouldn't be so hard to move messages around and call extern commands. And anyway, Lisp is on the way of the gate to hackers' heaven ;)
[00:59] < rxr> aspell is and advanced replacement for ispell wich is an advanced replacement for spell
[01:00] < rxr> I use aspell quite a lot ...
[01:01] < tsa> hm...just being curious - what kind of work have you done with pace?
[01:02] < rxr> win32 C++ (ok - crippled C++ -> like C w/ classes and 100$ spagethi code) coding for CAD applications to layout aircrafts ...
[01:02] < tsa> hehe ;)
[01:02] < rxr> s/$/%/
[01:03] < tsa> did the resulting aitcrafts look like spaghetti, too? ;-)
[01:03] < tsa> s/t/r/
[01:04] < tcr> rxr: hungarian notation?
[01:05] < rxr> if hungarian was this type in the name brain-deadness, then yes
[01:05] < daja77> lol
[01:05] < rxr> tcr: I think this parts should not be commented by me in public.
[01:06] < tcr> microsoft invented hungarian notation and use it for all their code (and through their api it came in widespread use)
[01:06] < tcr> it looks so _ugly_
[01:09] < tcr> https://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnvsgen/html/hunganotat.asp
[01:09] < tcr> look at the example on the bottom of that page
[01:09] < tcr> and feel free to laugh your ass off
[01:09] < rxr> tcr: I do not care about the look - it is ugly to use and of now value
[01:09] < rxr> it just sucks
[01:09] < rxr> as other naming conventions in wider use
[01:10] < jsaw> I never heard of it, but now I know, why our microscope software segfaults so often...
[01:11] < tcr> I'd bet that snippet would win a price at the obfuscated C contest ;)
[01:11] < daja77> rofl haven't seen such crap for years
[01:12] < daja77> since i stopped writing windows software years ago
[01:13] < daja77> jsaw: that's a _feature_
[01:14] < jsaw> daja77: you mean the segfault (or whatever it is called in win)?
[01:14] < rxr> hm - if I should update XFree to utilize the recent snapshots ?
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[01:15] < daja77> rxr: benefits?
[01:15] < tcr> szSy= (psy=(struct SY*)&rgwDic[*pbsy])->sz;
[01:16] < tcr> That's funny they reference rgwDic to dereference it
[01:16] < tcr> I think they never heard of pointer arithmetics ...
[01:16] < netrunner> CMD_WRAPPER: Can't execute 'gcc-3' -> abort.
[01:16] < netrunner> grmpf
[01:17] < rxr> daja77: many updates - and I hope this font issue goes away
[01:17] < rxr> but there is some more intrusive stuff in the patches ..
[01:17] < tcr> @$%! it's almost 1:30 in the morning, damn... gotta sleep cu all
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[01:17] < daja77> hmm well rc2 is experimental anyway, so give it a try
[01:17] < rxr> the XFree people really need intermediate bug-fix only releases between there milesontes every year or half year
[01:17] < rxr> (in short: they suck)
[01:18] < daja77> hehehe
[01:18] < daja77> that's why they kicked that one guy out
[01:18] < jsaw> -> xwin.org
[01:18] < jsaw> daja77 was first
[01:19] < netrunner> muahaha ... my gf currently watching pr0n ads in tv ... continuously shouting "what's that! look! have you seen that?!" *g*
[01:19] < daja77> lol
[01:19] < daja77> jsaw: but you were more precise ;)
[01:20] < rxr> hm - shoudl I switch from this many files + patches - to the one file snapshot
[01:20] < jsaw> actually more precise is www.xouvert.org
[01:20] < daja77> rxr: ack
[01:20] < jsaw> rxr: looking at the fixes, /me supports switching
[01:20] < netrunner> rxr: I personally don't care, since I have all downloaded ... but for new user it's more pain to download 1k of incremental patches, no?
[01:21] < daja77> it is a mess
[01:23] netrunner rofling listening to the tv zapping through the stations and finding same content everywhere :) (and judgements about the women's "capital" from the other side of the room :)
[01:24] < rxr> daja77: what is a mess ?
[01:24] < daja77> having thousands of files for x
[01:26] < netrunner> hm ... what would stop executability of gcc-3 during a build ... when it was executed several times befor that point?
[01:28] < netrunner> weird. ok, maybe I see something tomorrow, n8 for now
[01:28] < daja77> oh great now i have missing gems, what the heck is goin on
[01:29] < daja77> ok starting that builds manually
[01:30] < jsaw> daja77: lemma guess, scripts/Download failed?
[01:31] < daja77> no packages are all here, but not rescheduled
[01:32] < daja77> lol no io load is so high, that mplayer needs ages to read a file
[01:32] < daja77> s/no/now
[01:33] < netrunner> tcr: what's wrong with `perl -MCPAN -e'install My::Package'` ?
[01:34] < daja77> erhm tcr is not here
[01:36] < netrunner> oh I see ... talking to myself I am ... poor gollum
[01:37] < daja77> my precious ;)
[01:37] < netrunner> oh daja77 :) didn't know that side of yours!
[01:38] daja77 picking up his ring ...
[01:38] < netrunner> daja77: I do not want to know what you normally use that ring for ;)
[01:39] < netrunner> wonderful. now my gf tells me that she want's that hairstyle from one of the xxx hotline ad girls
[01:39] < daja77> for rrruling this world ...
[01:39] < daja77> netrunner: do you like it?
[01:39] < netrunner> daja77: what, the haircut? aehm ... I was seduced not to watch her hair ;)
[01:39] < daja77> lol
[01:41] < netrunner> daja77: have you followed that conversation about perl module installation?
[01:41] < daja77> partly, I went home during it
[01:41] < jsaw> cu l8r
[01:41] < netrunner> cu jsaw
[01:41] < daja77> dunno why it is such a big problem
[01:41] < daja77> n8 jsaw
[01:42] < daja77> chris wants rock packages for everything :)
[01:42] < netrunner> daja77: never mind, the problem with the cpan shell is that it would probably download the module ... but if it could be given via configfile that it is in the download/something ...
[01:44] < daja77> argh
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[01:46] < daja77> rc1 generic gives me headaches
[01:46] < netrunner> installed files are tracked anyway ... so packaging that would probably be no problem.
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[01:48] < netrunner> daja77: what? the only problem I had is linux24 ... and I see 1-iproute2 and 5-syslinux failing. 5-gtk+22 built after rescheduling it, no idea why the gcc-3 was suddenly not executable in that particular moment.
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[01:49] < daja77> netrunner: problems due mixed up build i guess
[01:49] < daja77> damn tar dies while packaging linux26-src
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[01:51] < netrunner> hrmpf, nasm is built after syslinux, wrong dependency. I suppose that will be fixed automatically by the regression tester?
[01:51] < daja77> hmm bzip2 takes 46% cpu load
[01:53] < netrunner> daja77: had that problem once, bzip2 died while unpacking large packages (as linux), was a broken dimm
[01:53] < daja77> netrunner: just don't!
[01:53] < netrunner> have I mentioned that I have yet again 2 broken hdd? :)
[01:53] < netrunner> daja77: don't what?
[01:54] < daja77> tell me nightmare stories about my hw tonight
[01:55] daja77 too sensitive to take those today
[01:55] < netrunner> daja77: ... and when it gets dark and the clock strikes 13 ... the moon shining on your case will erase your ... fridge's contents.
[01:55] < daja77> haha no, it is better filled than usual
[01:56] < daja77> filled that good, i could invite netrunner for breakfast :P
[01:56] < netrunner> daja77: tell me when and where! :P
[01:56] < netrunner> no, you made the location, I make the time :)
[01:57] < daja77> Chemnitz, Saxony ...
[01:57] daja77 notes that he only said he could invite ...
[01:58] < netrunner> daja77: coward! :)
[01:58] < daja77> hehe
[01:58] < daja77> well maybe another day, tomorrow i already have visitors
[01:58] netrunner to bed now. really. n8 *,daja77
[01:58] < daja77> n8 netrunner
[02:00] < daja77> is there a file where the missing files are stored?
[02:00] < daja77> the file names of the missing files
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[02:03] < daja77> boy your connection sucks
[02:05] < n00kie> No daja, I guess, he just has X-Chat problems
[02:05] < daja77> whatever
[02:05] < n00kie> :-)
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[02:06] < daja77> how comes that you are still awake?
[02:06] < daja77> Pyro!
[02:06] < Pyro> daja77: !
[02:06] < daja77> :)
[02:06] Pyro just woke up..
[02:07] < daja77> hi Miguel
[02:07] < Pyro> how are you Daniel?
[02:07] < daja77> huh strange time to wake up
[02:07] < Pyro> re all
[02:07] < daja77> fine, a bit tired
[02:07] < Pyro> daja77: not if you go to bed at 9am..
[02:07] < daja77> but still working to get rock generic isos ready
[02:07] < daja77> oh ic
[02:07] < Pyro> having fun?
[02:08] < daja77> sort of
[02:08] < Pyro> daja77: yeah time deadlines are killing me
[02:08] < daja77> that's why they are called deadlines ...
[02:09] < Pyro> yeah..
[02:09] < daja77> but think of that: if you are dead, the deadline is passed as well
[02:10] < Pyro> i guess
[02:11] < daja77> so how are you, now?
[02:11] < tsa> rxr: still awake?
[02:11] < Pyro> good, i slept well, now ia m checking mails and getting ready to keep coding
[02:11] < Pyro> hi tsa
[02:11] < tsa> hi Pyro
[02:12] < daja77> strange kdemultimedia still seems to fail in my rc1 builds
[02:14] daja77 making coffee for Pyro
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[02:15] < rxr> regarding your wolk discussion this afternoon their my fixing was correct and they have the same stuff
[02:15] < daja77> parse error
[02:16] < rxr> they have even strange updates between the lines I would not like in my kernel ...
[02:16] < rxr> tsa: yes
[02:16] < tsa> rxr: please update: man-pages 1.60
[02:16] < daja77> ok now i got it
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[02:17] < rxr> tsa: tested ?
[02:17] < tsa> rxr: no.
[02:18] < rxr> hm - we apply a patch ...
[02:18] < tsa> mom
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[02:18] < Mike1> hi rxr
[02:18] < Mike1> daja77: thanks for the coffee
[02:19] < daja77> welcome in the world of the living
[02:19] < Mike1> living?
[02:19] < daja77> erh zombies
[02:19] < daja77> sorry
[02:19] < tsa> == 02:19:28 =[9]=> Building base/man-pages [1.60 2.0.0-rc2].
[02:20] < tsa> [...]
[02:20] < Mike1> :)
[02:21] daja77 slaps himself
[02:21] < Mike1> daja77: no need to, i can do it for you if you like
[02:21] Mike1 gives 5 slaps to daja77
[02:22] daja77 kicks Mike1
[02:22] < Mike1> what? i was just trying to help
[02:22] < daja77> but i am feeling better when kicking you :P
[02:22] < tsa> *GRR*
[02:23] < tsa> rxr: don't update.
[02:23] < Mike1> you little @#$%$#
[02:23] < tsa> rxr: shared files with fileutils.
[02:23] daja77 pets Mike1
[02:24] < tsa> (i guess this means shared files with coreutils for 2.0, but i can't test this because my rock is pretty old..
[02:24] < tsa> )
[02:24] < tsa> anyone running a system with coreutils here?
[02:25] daja77 slowly raises hand
[02:25] < tsa> i.e. some rock 2.0-something
[02:25] < tsa> cool.
[02:25] < tsa> can you test man-pages 1.60?
[02:25] < daja77> nope
[02:25] < tsa> hm..ok.
[02:25] daja77 busy doin the latest rc1 builds
[02:25] < tsa> hehe..ok
[02:25] < Mike1> daja77: just launch a new xterm...
[02:26] < daja77> i have only one cpu
[02:26] < Mike1> daja77: it will work, trust me
[02:26] tsa could donate a p120 cpu ;)
[02:26] < Mike1> tsa: donate it to me donate it to me
[02:26] < daja77> hehe
[02:26] < Mike1> :)
[02:27] < tsa> Mike1: sure, no problem. you'll just have to come here and get it ;)
[02:27] < daja77> hmm Hannover, right?
[02:27] < tsa> bielefeld.
[02:27] < Mike1> tsa: wouldn't it be easier for you to come?
[02:28] < daja77> tsa: can't find it ;-)
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[02:29] < tsa> Mike1: sure - right after my bank account will have a positive amount of money again..
[02:29] < Mike1> tsa: hehe
[02:29] < tsa> ok, 'nuff done for today...giong to get some sleep.
[02:29] < tsa> cu all.
[02:30] < rxr> hi Mike1
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[02:42] < rxr> You comments about my i2c adaptions are a bad joke - especially when you take a look into WOLK
[02:42] < rxr> I really wonder if the code changes really work correctly
[02:46] < rxr> and (btw) the WOLK is rahter unprofessional exported - normally I would expect a dir with a bunch of changeset rather then this eat-the-tar-or-die thing ...
[03:11] < rolla> night all
[03:12] < rxr> good night rolla
[03:13] < Freak> I'm bored.
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[03:19] < rxr> Freak: should I post my xfree86 and linux24 build logs here?
[03:19] < Freak> hehe :)
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[03:36] < rxr> Freak: you could package tex4ht for me ?
[03:40] < rxr> linux24 fixed
[03:40] < mnemoc> re
[03:43] < Freak> rxr: I'm not exactly sure you *want* me to do that ;)
[03:44] < rxr> yes - I'm sure this package's distribution format is that ugly
[03:44] < rxr> hi mnemoc
[03:44] < rxr> linux24 should be fixed now ...
[03:44] < mnemoc> really? ;)
[03:45] < mnemoc> based on wolk's work?
[03:45] < rxr> read some lines of scrollback for rant about wolk ...
[03:45] < rxr> I added the last missing lines myself (although some are just a quick hack - but the wolk people do it the same way ...)
[03:47] < mnemoc> i tryed once to 'export' grsec+vserver from wolk, but.....
[03:48] < Mike1> Hola mnemoc
[03:49] < mnemoc> MIKE!!!!
[03:49] < Mike1> ALE!!!!
[03:50] < rxr> rehi Mike1
[03:50] < Mike1> :)
[03:56] < mnemoc> how is your new life?
[03:58] < Freak> neat.. when I remove a directory in a terminal while I'm in it with nautilus, if I perform an action then, nautilus crashes.
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[03:59] < Mike1> mnemoc: quite good thanks, just busy as usuall, lots of coding
[04:02] < Freak> why doesn't unzip let me perform "ls -l|xargs unzip"
[04:03] < Freak> neither does unzip * work
[04:04] < Freak> unzip is a stupid little critta.
[04:05] < mnemoc> rxr: flyspray reg doesn't work for me neither under mozilla1.5a :(
[04:06] < Freak> sweet.. "for name in *; do unzip $name; done" does the trick.
[04:07] < Mike1> bbl
[04:07] < mnemoc> weird
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[04:07] < mnemoc> bye mike
[04:09] < rxr> mnemoc: I try to reg you
[04:09] < rxr> btw - this TeX fluff goes to my nerves ...
[04:09] < rxr> damn crap
[04:09] < rxr> oh - sorry
[04:12] < rxr> mnemoc: strange does not work for me too now
[04:12] < rxr> mnemoc: guess bug in the new version - or misconfiguration
[04:12] < rxr> could you mail Clifford ?
[04:13] < mnemoc> =) ... i'm not the only one
[04:13] < mnemoc> i can but cliff has never answered a mail from me :(
[04:16] < rxr> mnemoc: oh - really?
[04:17] < rxr> mnemoc: mail him - and if he does not answer till tomorrow post-lunch - I'll phone him ...
[04:18] < rxr> TeX4ht - when installing an application is harder then fixing i2c stuff in the linux kernel ...
[04:19] < rxr> :-((((
[04:21] rxr now throwing htlatex on the rock-handbook.tex and waiting curious for the html output ...
[04:24] < mnemoc> sent
[04:27] < rxr> to clifford at clifford.at ?
[04:28] < rxr> so - WoW - htlatex looks not that bad
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[04:33] < mnemoc> clifford@rock :(
[04:33] < mnemoc> should i forward?
[04:41] < rxr> nope this should also work (I hope - I hope you address ends with linux.org?)
[04:55] < mnemoc> mine?
[05:00] < rxr> hehe - the clifford@ one above ;-)
[05:00] < rxr> btw, how are you ?
[05:08] < mnemoc> fine ;)
[05:08] < mnemoc> coding to insanity
[05:08] < mnemoc> and you?
[05:11] < rxr> aside from htlatex driving me mad - super
[05:11] < rxr> if you wanna see ugly C code dive thru htlatex ...
[05:18] < mnemoc> do you know of something for writing/viewing *TeX for win32? (not cygwin)
[05:19] < rxr> mnemoc: uh - no
[05:20] < mnemoc> :(
[05:20] < rxr> but you can mail Valentin Ziegler <ziegler qt informatik dot hu-berlin dot de>
[05:20] < rxr> he has experience with TeX on Win* (although he normally uses ROCK Linux only ...)
[05:21] < rxr> s/qt/at/ in the address ...
[05:21] < rxr> you need to be quick - he will be in holiday starting at friday afternoon ...
[05:24] < mnemoc> sent :)
[05:25] < jsaw> mnemoc: miktex + ghostscript
[05:25] < jsaw> www.miktex.org
[05:30] < mnemoc> nice :)
[05:31] < jsaw> does this help u?
[05:32] < mnemoc> i hope so :)
[05:47] < rxr> wow - htlatex now works as expected and is (aside from the poor packaging, documentation and the quality of the two C-code files) a huge improvement over html2latex ...
[05:47] < rxr> err latex2html of course ...
[06:10] < mnemoc> rxr: u forgot a link in your annouce
[06:10] < rxr> mnemoc: yes - noticed this after I pressed the send key ...
[06:10] < rxr> maybe you could reply with the link (I hate to reply to my own mails ...)
[06:11] < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.net/people/rene/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbook.html
[06:11] < rxr> and I'll also add a news entry for the homepage soon - the link will be included there ... ;-)
[06:13] < mnemoc> sent
[06:14] < jsaw> nice, indeed.
[06:16] < mnemoc> ok... bed time... cu
[06:17] < mnemoc> good night both
[06:18] < jsaw> cu
[06:20] < rxr> cu jsaw
[06:22] < jsaw> oh, I said this to mnemoc, but actually I'm also about to leave
[06:25] < rxr> oh - miht be intuition but I meant mnemoc ;-)
[06:25] < rxr> seems to be too late for me ...
[06:26] < rxr> especially during packages such a strange package ...
[06:26] < jsaw> ?
[06:28] < rxr> tex4ht ....
[06:29] < rxr> raw C files - to be corrected dirs - and a everone-need-to-hand-edit(tm) config file ...
[06:29] < jsaw> o_O
[06:31] < rxr> but after some hours of tinkering and tuning it worked quite great ...
[06:34] < jsaw> oh, oh, raidtools also ended up in package/ instead package/base
[06:40] < rxr> oh - I oversaw this?
[06:40] < rxr> jsaw: fixed
[06:42] < jsaw> okay, I don't understand a single digit of my data anymore... I should sleep a few seconds
[06:42] < jsaw> cu l8r, rxr
[06:42] jsaw off 2 bed
[06:43] < rxr> a few seconds ?
[06:43] < rxr> I hope you get a few more ;-) Godd day!
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[07:28] < Mike1> re
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[07:41] < cornflake> hey
[07:43] < Mike1> hello cornflake
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[07:44] < cornflake> sup Mike1
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[08:25] < _NULL_> moin
[08:39] < Mike1> hi _NULL_
[08:40] < _NULL_> hi Mike1 :)
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[10:25] < daja77> moin
[10:39] < Mike1> moin daja77
[10:39] < daja77> moin Mike1
[10:40] < daja77> nice to see you here at this time
[10:40] < Mike1> i told you i am working a lot for this time deadlines
[10:41] < daja77> yes..yes you do
[10:42] daja77 happy that i got granny's printer working last night
[10:42] < Mike1> i feel like shit..
[10:43] daja77 too
[10:43] < Mike1> congratz daja77
[10:43] < daja77> :)
[10:45] < Mike1> what are you up to?
[10:46] < daja77> still working on rc1 generic isos
[10:46] < Mike1> hehe
[10:46] < daja77> well i slept during the builds
[10:47] < Mike1> yeah i used to do the same
[10:47] < daja77> :)
[10:48] < Mike1> anyways i will get my ass in bed now
[10:48] < Mike1> its nearly 3am..
[10:49] < daja77> bad thing is in some h people wanna have that isos
[10:49] < daja77> gn8 Mike1
[10:49] < daja77> s/isos/ready cdroms
[10:52] < Mike1> n8 all
[10:52] Mike1 is away: zZzZ!!!
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[11:49] < spectre> hi
[11:50] < Ge0rG> good morning
[11:51] < spectre> I'm trying to build mine-0.14 on drock-1.6.1 , but it fails with the error :
[11:51] < spectre> checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[11:51] < spectre> See `config.log' for more details.
[11:51] < spectre> make: *** [libtar-1.2.11/lib/libtar.a] Fehler 77
[11:51] < spectre> good morning Ge0rG
[11:52] < spectre> alternatively, I do have a mine.gem package... but it cannot extract it with zip/bzip[2]
[11:53] < spectre> if You could tell me how to extract it from the .gem file it should be fine, too :)
[11:54] < spectre> I don't have it under tools.cross since I made this build on a running drock2.0beta7 without cross-compiling
[11:58] < alanw> have a look in config.log and see if there is any clue as to why the test
[11:58] < alanw> for a working C compiler failed
[12:00] < spectre> conftest.c:0: malformed option `-D 'MINE_VERSION="0.14"''
[12:00] < spectre> configure:2013: $? = 1
[12:00] < spectre> configure: failed program was:
[12:00] < spectre> | #line 1986 "configure"
[12:01] < spectre> the only funy looking part in libtar's config.log
[12:01] < spectre> yeah, the compiler is working and it hs produced executables before :)
[12:02] < spectre> the error should be from this line :
[12:02] < spectre> tar-1.2.11/listhash -D'MINE_VERSION="0.14"' -O2 -ggdb -DUSE_AVL=1 conftest.c >&5
[12:03] < alanw> what version of gcc are you compiling with? "gcc -v" will tell you
[12:03] < spectre> Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i586-pc-linux-gnu/2.95.3/specs
[12:03] < spectre> gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release)
[12:04] < spectre> (the compiler that comes with drock-1.6.1
[12:05] < spectre> I hardly ever had a problem with compiling anything with it :)
[12:07] < spectre> I gotta get some breakfast, brb
[12:07] < alanw> that's quite an old version of gcc, but should be stable
[12:08] < alanw> the only thing I note is the space after the -D in the lines from config.log
[12:08] < alanw> did you cut and paste that, or is it a typo?
[12:08] < spectre> c&p
[12:09] < spectre> I could try changing that, though I'm not sure in which file .. configure.ac ?
[12:10] < spectre> however tar-1.2.11/listhash -D'MINE_VERSION="0.14"' -O2 -ggdb -DUSE_AVL=1 conftest.c >&5 - no space in the line above the error
[12:10] < alanw> there is a patch file no-crash-and-comments.patch which modifies that line
[12:11] < alanw> Are you building with scripts/Build-Pkg ?
[12:11] < alanw> Might I suggest building by hand, and if/when things go wrong, try cd'ing into
[12:11] < spectre> libtar-1.2.11.patch ?
[12:12] < alanw> the appropriate directory and trying the gcc line from your command line,
[12:12] < alanw> modifying it until it doesn't give errors.
[12:12] < spectre> no, I'm trying to build by hand with make USE_GAS=0
[12:12] < alanw> the patch is /spare/rock-src-svn/package/base/mine/no-crash-and-comments.patch
[12:13] < alanw> I'm looking at the latest svn checkout
[12:20] < spectre> gcc -Icdb-0.75 -Ibzip2-1.0.2 -Ilibtar-1.2.11/lib -I. -Wall -Ilibtar-1.2.11/listhash -D'MINE_VERSION="0.14"' -O2 -ggdb -DUSE_AVL=1 conftest.c >&5
[12:20] < spectre> throws "invalid file-descriptor"
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[12:22] < dennis> moin
[12:22] < spectre> moin dennis
[12:22] < dennis> hi spectre
[12:23] < alanw> drop the ">&5" from the end
[12:24] < spectre> thx, I got it :)
[12:24] < spectre> just used the configure in libtar subdir and typed make and then make again in the main dir
[12:24] < spectre> got mime :-)
[12:25] < spectre> no clue why that worked, but I'm happy (:
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[12:30] < spectre> btw: I had problems with a few packages on my first compile of drock-2.0beta7 ghostscript is not working and I recall having some font-config Problem upon X startup
[12:31] < spectre> I couldn't solve it quickly so I installed Xfree 4.2.1
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[13:00] < spectre> ah-installed :)
[13:01] < spectre> cu
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[13:34] < daja77> rxr: PING
[13:47] < rxr> re
[13:47] < rxr> pong
[13:47] < daja77> rxr: just tested install with rc1
[13:47] < rxr> and
[13:48] < daja77> the scrollkeeper setup is screwed cos it tries to download dtd's from the net
[13:48] < daja77> maybe that is a reason why gnome is borken
[13:49] < daja77> + grub setup failed again on that box, checking tonight
[13:49] < rxr> ah yes we need to fix this - and it is not the reason why gnome is broken - this is only for the help-system ...
[13:49] < daja77> ok thx anyway
[13:49] < rxr> I tested both grub and lilo - both worked fine
[13:49] < rxr> yes - thanks for the reminder, too ;-)
[13:49] < daja77> maybe it failed cos of the old grub on mbr?
[13:50] < rxr> it shouldn't - and mine had a grub in the mbr, too...
[13:51] < daja77> ok gave away the first cd set to a tester, he will report this evening
[13:51] < daja77> preparing another for the second tester right now ;-)
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[13:55] < rxr> nice - so I should just announce it now ?
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[13:55] < daja77> hmm i would wait for the reports, perhaps
[13:55] < rxr> well - ok, dum di dum - I'm alreay waiting so long ...
[13:56] < daja77> i could now tell you a story that patience pays, but hey it is up to you when to announce
[13:57] < rxr> yeah - I wait ...
[13:57] < daja77> :)
[13:57] < daja77> if i get no reports this evening, announce anyway
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[14:38] < daja77> rotfl, your commit messages are funny
[14:39] < rxr> daja77: it might fix the bug - and in fact it did not fix it (I committed this on a PowerPC where the build failed and wanted to push the changeset to the x86 build-server) so I already knew that it might not fix the bug ...
[14:40] < rxr> I investigate this in some hours - when I'm back from a short shopping trip with Verena ...
[14:40] < rxr> cu
[14:42] < daja77> cu, have fun
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[14:57] < daja77> cu later guys
[14:59] < spectre> re
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[15:27] < owl_> moin
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[15:40] < spectre> moin owl Du _NULL_ ;)
[15:41] < daja77> oh my, how funny
[15:42] < _NULL_> spectre: who are you?
[15:44] < _NULL_> daja77: do you know by accident if the "acer mini bluetooth usb dongle" is supported under linux? (i found something on bluez...)
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[15:47] < Ge0rG> _NULL_: most bluetooth usb dongles are
[15:47] < _NULL_> Ge0rG: kewl ;)
[15:47] < _NULL_> thx
[15:47] < Ge0rG> _NULL_: but you should install the -mh kernel patches
[15:47] < Ge0rG> ,oO( 2.4.21-rock-mh2-laptop1 )
[15:48] < _NULL_> mh?
[15:48] < Ge0rG> should be on one of the linux-bluetooth web pages
[15:49] < spectre> _NULL_ someone who's using rocklinux
[15:49] < _NULL_> k. thx.
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[16:30] < netrunner> re
[16:31] < netrunner> hm ... an old schoolmate of mine used to use the nick spectre ...
[16:40] < dennis> re
[16:43] < netrunner> == 12:52:17 =[5]=> Building mnemoc/mono [0.25 2.0.0-rc2].
[16:43] < netrunner> and still building ... there is a mono process running at 99.1% CPU for 229:02.11 minutes now.
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[16:44] < netrunner> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ Command
[16:45] < netrunner> 17566 root 14 0 12272 11m 3592 R 99.9 1.3 230:51.90 mono
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[17:08] < daja77> wooohooo 2.0.0rc1 install on laptop with ati mobility successful
[17:22] Mike1 is back (gone 06:29:43)
[17:22] < Mike1> those are great news daja77
[17:22] < Mike1> mojn all btw
[17:22] < Mike1> moin even
[17:25] < daja77> hi Mike1
[17:25] < daja77> I have even better news
[17:25] < daja77> but not here
[17:41] daja77 now goin cu
[17:46] < rolla> re
[17:52] < Mike1> rolla:
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[18:04] < rolla> Mike1:
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[18:50] < daja77> hi rolla :)
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[18:58] < netrunner> argl, bad weather moving in
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[19:07] < holyolli> moin
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[19:11] < holyolli> hi tcr
[19:12] < tcr> moin all
[19:13] < tcr> Anyone here who could clarify me with the copyright notes? I know there's some special tag, but I can't really remember..
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[19:31] < tcr> rxr: ping
[19:41] < daja77> what do you mean?
[19:44] < tcr> nevermind
[19:45] < daja77> so you found it?
[19:46] < tcr> Just copied
[19:46] < daja77> hmm k.
[19:51] < owl> moin
[19:51] < owl> someone knows if a) it is possible to run a ssh-client on ericsson t610 and b) possible to use a sitecom usb bluetooth adapter on linux?
[19:52] < daja77> O_o
[19:52] < owl> daja77: ?
[19:54] < tcr> Quite extravagant question
[19:54] < owl> sure ;p
[19:54] < daja77> are you talking about a mobile phone?
[19:54] < owl> daja77: yes.
[19:55] < daja77> ssh on mobile, why that?
[19:56] < owl> because it would be a nice feature... gprs and hscsd are not that expensive, and if you're in berlin or so, and have no notebook with you, you can at leat connect to aszlig.net and read mails ;p
[19:57] < daja77> hehe
[19:57] < owl> daja77: why "hehe"? ;) it's nice, isn't it?
[19:58] < daja77> it is
[19:58] < daja77> defintely
[19:58] < owl> i hope that my mobile supports "sockets" in java... (in forums they say, it doesn't...)
[19:58] < daja77> Ge0rG used gprs while driving with me (from his laptop)
[19:59] < daja77> but he had to pay nothing ...
[19:59] < owl> hehe ;) yes. and i used gprs in holiday too... with my e-mail-client on the mobile and so... but just on the mobile --> limited length of chars afaik and so...
[19:59] < owl> to pay nothing? O_o w00t - i want this contract too ;p
[20:01] < daja77> well he cheated
[20:02] < daja77> but hey ask him about that
[20:02] < owl> *g* Ge0rG - "bei fuss" ;ppp
[20:03] < daja77> ok cu later
[20:04] < owl> bye daja77
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[21:04] < spectre> netrunner: I doubt that we know echother
[21:04] < spectre> brb (hoffentlich)
[21:04] < netrunner> spectre: never went to school? *g*
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[21:05] < netrunner> ts ... refuses to talk to me :/
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[21:06] < rammi> hi..
[21:07] < rammi> https://rootshell.be/~ram/EXP/rock2.png what do you think?
[21:07] < rammi> this is not the final ver.
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[21:11] < dennis> rammi: i think bg black and fg white would be better. for people who don't know that rock just released version 2.0.0 the charakter doesn't say anything
[21:14] < rammi> okej.. i will make another version, whit bg black and fg white..
[21:15] < rammi> tnx..
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[21:25] < daja77> lol https://www.titanic-magazin.de/download/images/0807telekomschulfrei640x480.jpg
[21:26] < daja77> rxr: announce please, got only one report, was positive
[21:27] daja77 now off to bed
[21:27] < Freak> gn8 daja77
[21:27] < daja77> hi Freak
[21:27] < daja77> you liked that movie?
[21:27] < Freak> yea!! was great
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[21:27] < Freak> thanks again
[21:27] < spectre> re
[21:27] < daja77> np
[21:28] < Freak> anyone recall the name of the movie shown at linuxtag..
[21:28] daja77 now really off
[21:28] < Freak> with the appartment and the musicians..
[21:28] < Freak> gnite again daja77
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[21:29] < spectre> awesome, using an athlon-xp optimized drock-2.0beta7 build makes ut2k3 run fast&smooth =)
[21:30] < spectre> thank You for this kickass distro (-:
[21:33] < Freak> heh
[21:35] netrunne1 busy playing lbreakout2 ... and accidently discovered the loop protection :)
[21:35] < spectre> Freak ? nightloop Freak ?
[21:35] < Freak> ?
[21:35] < Freak> supposedly not
[21:36] < spectre> okay :)
[21:36] < spectre> you never know
[21:36] < rxr> re
[21:36] < netrunne1> spectre: hey, you just gave me a nice idea ... must have ut2k isos somewhere ... where's the linux part?
[21:37] < spectre> linux part - You mean the installer ?
[21:37] < spectre> I just moved from drock-1.6 to drock-2.0beta7 build for ythlon-xp and my god it's faster =)
[21:38] < spectre> really faster
[21:39] < rxr> spectre: I collect happy user messages on www.rocklinux.org
[21:39] < rxr> maybe you could put this into some nice buissenes words and send it as email to me ? ;-)
[21:40] < spectre> shua :-)
[21:40] < spectre> rene rabe ?
[21:41] < Freak> gnite guys
[21:41] < spectre> n8 Freak
[21:41] < rxr> spectre: yes rene@rocklinux.org
[21:42] < spectre> okay, You'll get it - just how business-like do You want it (irc or english) ?
[21:44] < spectre> serious, it flies, playing it 1280x1024x32 mostly every detail and not a sign of jerkiness
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[21:44] < spectre> didn't think using an optimized build would do that much
[21:45] < rxr> spectre: english - w/ the possibility to publish it for normal companies to read on the homepage ...
[21:45] < netrunner> spectre: if that would be the case then why do they invent those nifty little tricks in new cpu generations? :)
[21:46] < spectre> I thought it was, so that M$ can make commercials ;)
[21:46] < mnemoc_> re
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[21:48] < spectre> still, I did not think it would do so much, since most of the the game should only depend on GL
[21:48] < rxr> spectre: nope - much in the game needs to compute massive ammounts of geometry data
[21:49] < spectre> and it uses standard libs for that ?
[21:49] < rxr> but this is in game - and it sucks that you do not have the source to reoptimize it ... - but also the free driver for OpenGL, X, LibC, Kernel ... do influence the thruput ...
[21:49] < rxr> spectre: which graphic card are you using ?
[21:50] < spectre> gf4ti4800
[21:50] < spectre> cheapo version by PNY tech
[21:50] < spectre> it was the only box that actually listet on the box that it was fully linux supported
[21:51] < spectre> I'm atad annoyed that a lot of hw that is linux compatible doesn't sy so on the box anywhere
[21:51] < mnemoc> rxr: hi, did u look inside iproute2 bug?
[21:53] < spectre> I'd like to compare some framerates to a winXp install on this.. but I'd have to install windoze
[21:54] < rxr> mnemoc: nope - the short trip took longer then expected
[21:54] < rxr> and I also reviewd the complete handbook this afternoon (I now have blue comments on every page - and will take the next 4-5 hours to type this all into the .tex files ...)
[21:55] < rxr> I'll now first fix iproute - and then work the night on the book v.0.0.7 ...
[21:55] < mnemoc> sockaddr_storage <-- looks guilty
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[22:13] < netrunner> freaking kde takes so long :( == 21:07:51 =[5]=> Building kde31/kdelibs31 [3.1.3 2.0.0-rc2].
[22:21] < mnemoc> damn socket.h has not changed between 2.4.21 and 2.4.22 :(
[22:21] < mnemoc> why is it incomplete now :(
[22:25] < rxr> mnemoc: I'm already fixing this
[22:25] < rxr> mom
[22:30] < rxr> ok - iproute progresses ...
[22:30] < rxr> ok - finished
[22:30] < rxr> now I ned to do the patchwork ...
[22:35] < mnemoc> BRB
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[22:43] < rxr> ok - test running and then I commit the final files
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[22:43] < rxr> you need to rebuild linux-hader (yet again) in order to compile iproute2 ...
[22:44] < netrunner> 1.5h for kdelibs ... hope esden make that dietable :)
[22:44] < rxr> hehe - but not in the next year - I guess ...
[22:45] < alanw> i've just arrived, and noticed someone is asking about iproute2
[22:45] < Mike1> re hi.
[22:45] < alanw> I had problems yesterday compiling against kernel 2.4.22
[22:45] < alanw> and posted a patch to the mailing list
[22:47] < rxr> I'm just fixing this ...
[22:47] < rxr> hi alanw - nice to see you here!
[22:48] < alanw> hi - I'm fairly new to this IRC stuff, but I haven't sorted out
[22:48] < alanw> home and work e-mail yet, and tried joining the IRC channel from work
[22:48] < alanw> It's something to do while you are waiting for the builds.
[22:49] netrunner opening another 15 toffifee
[22:49] < alanw> I have a nice fast P4 2.3GHz box to play with, so they don't take too long
[22:49] < rxr> yes
[22:49] < alanw> Tomorrow I'll be installing my own LAMP target onto said box,
[22:50] < alanw> ready to be shipped up as a demo to a client next week.
[22:51] < rxr> alanw: great
[22:51] < rxr> alanw: for which company do you work ?
[22:51] < alanw> Don't laugh - please
[22:52] < alanw> It's called FrogTrade
[22:52] < alanw> https://www.frogtrade.com/
[22:52] < alanw> I've only recently joined the company
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[22:53] < alanw> the other guys there are basically implemented a Windows-like
[22:53] < alanw> point and click interface in Javascript with a Apache/PHP/MySQL
[22:53] < alanw> backend, and I'm setting up the boxes for them.
[22:53] < alanw> Currently, we are marketing them to schools, and (we hope)
[22:54] < alanw> I'll be administering them remotely over the Internet
[22:54] < rxr> are all of them rock-linux powered?
[22:54] < alanw> from now on they all will be
[22:54] < alanw> there are a few demonstration boxes floating around
[22:55] < alanw> with a 6 month old version of Mandrake on them.
[22:55] < rxr> if they will be really rock-powered, would your company like to get into the portfolio list on rocklinux.org ?
[22:56] < alanw> I didn't know there was one.
[22:57] < rxr> there is non - but we want one ;-)!
[22:57] < alanw> I'll have to speak to the boss, but I should expect he'll be happy to
[22:57] < alanw> I've just looked at rocklinux.org, and all there is is a directory
[22:58] < alanw> listing of error.html and export.log
[22:58] < rxr> oO
[22:58] < rxr> a few minutes ago this was working
[22:58] < rxr> maybe clifford just in this second messed s.th. up ?!?!
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[22:59] < rxr> ah - maybe he is regenerating the static content to fix the errors in the .html headers ...
[22:59] < rxr> the dynamic content is here:
[22:59] < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.net/typo3/
[23:06] < alanw> goodnight - I'm off for an early night - I have a hard day's installing tomorrow ;-)
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[23:10] < tcr> re all
[23:11] < tcr> SMP, rxr: ping
[23:11] < rxr> pong
[23:11] < tcr> www.rocklinux.org is b0rken
[23:11] < rxr> yes - saw this - mailed cliff already ..
[23:11] < rxr> use .net/typo3 in the maintime
[23:11] < tcr> Ah oks
[23:12] < rxr> maybe this is even a scheduled regenerate session by cliff or so - don't now ..
[23:14] < rxr> hm - he is not reachable via cell-phone - currently :-(
[23:14] < rxr> w'll see
[23:14] < tcr> Yeah. Btw. you can await some patches from me in some minutes
[23:26] < tcr> rxr: How can I have an own page for a 'choice' block? (speaking about config.in files)
[23:27] < tcr> if I use menu_begin/_end it gets an own page, but block_begin/_end with choice doesn't
[23:29] < tcr> Oh, nevermind. I changed my opinion and I think it's ok with menu_begin
[23:59] < netrunner> wow, I made it into the statistic :)
[23:59] < netrunner> place 30 :)
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