--- Log opened Fri Aug 29 00:00:37 2003
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00:27 < rxr> *lol*
00:27 < rxr> >Aug 28 10:45:44 pc kernel: MASQUERADE: No route: Rusty's brain broke!
00:27 < mnemoc> re
00:28 < tcr> Heh
00:28 < mnemoc> o_O
00:32 < rxr> this is not on my box - it is a paste from linux-kernel ...
00:35 < netrunner> nice, quite a bunch of nice games here :)
00:36 * netrunner -> bed, n8 all
00:37 < _spectre_> n8 netrunner
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00:58 < mnemoc> rxr?
00:58 < mnemoc> how 'legal' is the protection u add to in.h?
01:00 < mnemoc> are those really for kernel only? why didn't failed on 2.4.21?
01:02 < tcr> ok, rxr .. patches are commin'
01:07 < rxr> yes
01:07 < rxr> mnemoc: because it was not present in 2.4.21
01:07 < rxr> mnemoc: it is not easy to get to the types used there - this nees more ifdefs in other files ...
01:08 < jsaw_> re/hi all
01:09 < jsaw_> rxr: but kernel may argue, that user space apps should be fixed? Or did u ask them? Just imagine sb. developing on ROCK, and the package fails everywhere else...
01:09 < jsaw_> s/kernel/kernel guys/
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01:11 < rxr> jsaw: nope I have not asked them
01:11 < rxr> but the offical statment is anyway: Use one magic kernel header version (liek the RedHat 2.4.18-magic-cruft-bla) and be happy with it ...
01:12 < rxr> so it is normal that nobody cares about userspace breakage and we need to fix it
01:12 < rxr> I had a look - the datatypes used in that sections are extra protected with __KERNEL__ in the other files - I just did protected the useage of them - now, too ...
01:12 < rxr> plain straight forwared ...
01:13 < rxr> but if you want ot consult the kernel people I'm happy about any userspace header fix you get out of them ...
01:14 < jsaw> if __KERNEL__ is used there, then the kernel is wrong, send the patch to LKML.
01:15 < jsaw> I mean for the protected types in that section...
01:16 < rxr> we have many patches that could go upstream - but just too less time to do this all ...
01:17 < rxr> remember me to take yet another look to that issue today - after sleep ....
01:18 < jsaw> :)
01:18 < mnemoc> will u sleep this week?
01:18 < rxr> tonight the review of the handbook is my top priority ...
01:19 < rxr> I reread it complete this after - all the nearly 100 pages - and each page is filled with blue comments ..
01:19 < rxr> mnemoc: hm ?
01:19 < rxr> mnemoc: sleep in 'the bad replacement for tea' ?
01:19 < mnemoc> i have seen you everyday here preaty late
01:20 < jsaw> average 3hours per day, I guess rxr a bit less
01:20 < rxr> mnemoc: just kidding - I slept in the mornings ....
01:21 < rxr> IRC is more interesting during the night - less noise ...
01:21 < mnemoc> you shop in the mornings
01:21 < rxr> no this was past-lunch ...
01:21 * tcr is taking a look at tsa's 1-gcc3.err
01:21 < tcr> Funny thing that is
01:21 < rxr> and only because Verena has a tent trip today and needed some utilities ... - normally I do not need to get that much real-world stuff that often ...
01:22 < jsaw> :))))
01:22 < rxr> well - not only today - but till Monday, not just one day ...
01:22 < rxr> jsaw: I hope it was a joke that you only get 3hours/day of sleep ?
01:23 < jsaw> rxr: can u give me a hint, what types were protected in that section in in.h?
01:23 < mnemoc> i sleep 4
01:24 < jsaw> rxr: actually between 3-4, I don't know. 
01:24 < rxr> it was not in in.h
01:24 < mnemoc> no?
01:24 < rxr> sockaddr_storage
01:25 < mnemoc> that's at socket.h, but i think you protected in.h
01:25 < rxr> it is in: socket.h
01:25 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - becuase socket.h does not export those ...
01:26 < rxr> #if defined(__KERNEL__) || !defined(__GLIBC__) || (__GLIBC__ < 2)
01:26 < rxr> and I did not wanted to mess with this
01:26 < rxr> and this group* stuff is not used in any of our includes packages (nothing ever wanted it at least)
01:26 < mnemoc> append lines is safer than modify lines
01:26 < tcr> Ok, I think tsa found a bug in the build scripts
01:27 < tcr> No clue where that bug may be though
01:27 < jsaw> it is a bad joke, that the complete linux/socket.h file is ifdef'd out.
01:27 < jsaw> don't u think so?
01:31 < rxr> jsaw: the glibc has a private one
01:31 < rxr> it depends how it is intented to be used - if it is not needed for the userspace - and only needs to be present for the other usepace headers not to fail ...
01:31 < jsaw> rxr: I think, the patch is wrong. sockaddr_storage is in bits/socket.h
01:32 < jsaw> rxr: thanks, I just found out, that glibc has its own...
01:32 < rxr> wah - that is highly ugly - to mix glibc definitions with kernel header usage ...
01:32 < rxr> i think it is ok this way - but fell free to discuss it with the kernel folk ...
01:33 < jsaw> ???
01:33 < jsaw> if iproute2 mixes these headers, what can I do?
01:33 < jsaw> that's not really a good reason to change the kernel headers, or?
01:34 < rxr> not it does not mix them ...
01:34 < rxr> it just includes in.h - and expects it to work ...
01:34 < rxr> and it fails due to this sockaddr_storage is not defined ...
01:35 < jsaw> then why not simply put #include <bits/socket.h> into iproute2?
01:35 < rxr> because I think it is not allowed to mix glibc and kernel definitons - and because it is not needed anyway ...
01:35 < jsaw> (or fix glibc, maybe their fault)
01:35 < tcr> I'm not sure about what you're discussing, but what about asking the maintainer of iproute??
01:36 < rxr> this is _not_ and iproute issue. It worked and iproute does not use it.
01:36 < mnemoc> mmm
01:36 < mnemoc> ack
01:36 < tcr> Whatever
01:36 < rxr> it is just that the kernel headers in 2.4.22 are not sane and can not be simply included - they must be sane enought to be just included ...
01:37 < tcr> Just reminds that I did a bug report to glibc, and haven't yet received any reply from them. Maybe, they didn't CC me, so will look in the archive
01:37 < rxr> tcr: coudl you track the gcc thing of tsa ?
01:37 < tcr> rxr: ??? You need sleep ;)
01:38 < rxr> nope I asked track it - not oversleep it ;-)
01:38 < tcr> rxr: I compared my 1-gcc3.log with his .err, and they're actually quite equal, but something seems to go wrong on his pc
01:38 < rxr> ok - I try it ...
01:38 < SMP> we should change our linux*-header packages _not_ to extract the headers from the linux sources, but to use a pre-sanitized package
01:39 < mnemoc> let me see the .err
01:39 < mnemoc> i already fixed a 'bug' after postdoc
01:39 < mnemoc> of gcc33
01:39 < mnemoc> yep
01:40 < mnemoc> the same
01:40 < rxr> mnemoc: cool - patch ?
01:40 < mnemoc> the problem is uset hookdirty_postdoc
01:40 < mnemoc> || true :)
01:40 < mnemoc> unset fails becuase that var is not defined
01:40 < rxr> SMP: I do not like the RedHat way - this way the kernel header would rott even more
01:41 < rxr> mnemoc: in gcc3.conf - or in scripts/* ?
01:41 < rxr> Weeeeeee qt finished on rs6k
01:41 < mnemoc> scripts/functions
01:42 < SMP> rxr: then why do I not see a single patch in package/base/linux24-header ?
01:42 < jsaw> SMP: linux24/
01:42 < jsaw> 95- something
01:43 < rxr> SMP: because all treeversion of linux packages use the treever patches in linux$treever
01:43 < mnemoc> rxr: scripts/functions:53, append a || true
01:43 < rxr> SMP: do you want to have tree duplicates for each ?
01:44 < mnemoc> rxr: don't forget -cross :)
01:44 < SMP> there is a clear distinction between patches that affect the kernel-headers for userspace and patches that affect the kernel in general
01:45 < rxr> SMP: ieek?!?!?!? The kernel header should be just correct
01:45 < tcr> mnemoc: Please write an answer to tsa
01:45 < SMP> the former are needed in linux*-header and _not_ in linux
01:46 < rxr> SMP: this is like arch specific patches - they do not fix the problem in a correct way - patches should be correct and so work for inkernel and usespace useage - where is the problem ?
01:46 < rxr> mnemoc: hm - I do not see why this happens ?
01:48 < rxr> the hookdirty should be defined  ...
01:49 < rxr> it is incremented in hook_add - and if it does not exist it is defined - I just verified ...
01:50 < rxr> and why is this only failing for a pentium3 optimmized gcc ?
01:51 < mnemoc> nope... fails here for p-mmx
01:51 < mnemoc> but fails on rh7.1 and not on rock2b6
01:52 < rxr> hm - maybe bash variant
01:52 < rxr> what is bash's version on your RH box ?
01:52 < mnemoc> GNU bash, version 2.04.11(1)-release (i386-redhat-linux-gnu)
01:52 < mnemoc> Copyright 1999 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
01:53 < tcr> I wonder that the scripts work at all
01:53 < mnemoc> without knowing the cause of the 'undefinement' i prefered to not send the patch when i notice that
01:54 < tcr> I can remember having seen constructs which only bash 2.05b supports
01:54 < rxr> yes
01:54 < rxr> also some strange interupted systemcalls happend when using an old bash ...
01:55 < rxr> I would reply to the mail - or has anyone done already?
01:55 < tcr> me and mnemoc did already
01:56 < tcr> I think tsa should try out mnemoc's workaround. It may work
01:56 * rxr fetchmailing
01:56 < tcr> if it does work, we have a closer hint where we should look at
01:57 < mnemoc> i works, but the *real* error can be much dangerous that a simple unset undefined_variable
01:57 < mnemoc> that patch is MS-like ;)
01:57 < tcr> mnemoc: well, it works for your system ;) for your old bash, for your optimization etc
01:58 < mnemoc> unset shit; echo $?
01:58 < rxr> yes - I will not add this since it normally should just work - and does so for all my builds ...
01:58 < mnemoc> || true ... works on every sh
01:59 * mnemoc wonders what bash do tsa have
01:59 < rxr> I wanted to ask this ...
02:00 < tcr> Ok, folks... I'm gonna sleep
02:00 < tcr> See you 
02:00 < mnemoc> rxr: i don't see any hook_add postdoc
02:00 < mnemoc> so, it's natural to get it undefined
02:01 < rxr> mnemoc: Build-Pkg
02:01 < mnemoc> sorry... it's there
02:01 < rxr> tcr: still here?
02:01 < tcr> yes
02:01 < rxr> could you configure you mailer to not send Text/Plain files base64 encoded
02:01 < rxr> ?
02:02 < tcr> Hrm, I send everything with Mime
02:03 < tcr> rxr: let me test
02:03 < rxr> ok - let's rephrase this
02:04 < rxr> could you configure your mailer to send it base64 if you liek this - but mark it Test/Plain instead Application/Octet-Stream
02:04 < tcr> I sent a mail to you, is that one ok?
02:05 < rxr> na - the other way round - base64 doesn't matter that much - but Application/Occtest-Stream does ...
02:06 < rxr> I have to overrite this for any attachemtn I just want to quickly read via C-U-C-E ...
02:06 < tcr> Hmm, I'm searching for an option or something
02:06 < tcr> mom
02:16 < mnemoc> 2.05 is officily a requirement for building rock?
02:16 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - I think so.
02:16 < tcr> Yeah. I proposed several times to add it to Check-Systen
02:17 < tcr> but it never got through it seems
02:18 < mnemoc> apropos requirements... do u think we can remplace cp -L from linux24-header?
02:18 < mnemoc> just to free one restriction :)
02:19 < mnemoc> i would love to 'relax' rock a bit :)
02:23 < mnemoc> isn't -L the default behavior?
02:24 < rxr> mnemoc: if I commit a linux24-header relex now - could you immediately test it ?
02:24 < mnemoc> i already update coreutils in the rh :(
02:25 < mnemoc> but i can test immediately 
02:25 < tcr> hah, mnemoc's patch works for tsa
02:25 < rxr> mnemoc: commited
02:26 < mnemoc> scribus right chksum: 4229346382
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02:26 < Mike1> re
02:26 < mnemoc> hi mike
02:26 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
02:26 < Mike1> anyone has seen the mess with www.rocklinux.org ?
02:26 < rxr> damn ... Mike1 - dump completation ...
02:26 < rxr> Mike1: yes
02:26 < Mike1> rxr: whats going on?
02:26 < rxr> but I could not reach Clifford ...
02:26 < rxr> neither via cell-phone ...
02:26 < tcr> rxr: I see currently no way changing content-type and the FAQ is brainfucked, I'll see if I find anything tomorrow
02:26 < Mike1> rxr: that sucks
02:26 < tcr> gn8 all
02:26 < rxr> Mike1: don't know - I guess the static generation cron-job blow up ...
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02:27 < Mike1> rxr: cool
02:27 < rxr> tcr: thanks for investigation!
02:27 < Mike1> rxr: i guess we will ahve to wait till ciff fix it
02:27 < rxr> Mike1: cool?
02:27 < Mike1> rxr: could you give me the svn server url to get the src i need it
02:27 < Mike1> rxr: cool as in sarcasm..
02:28 < rxr> you could still use the dynamic version at www.rocklinux.net/typo3
02:28 < rxr> or just view my subversion overview at:
02:28 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.net/people/michiel/serialrescue/
02:28 < rxr> errr damn
02:28 < Mike1> mm... 
02:28 < rxr> https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/
02:28 < Mike1> rxr: thats all i needed thank you
02:29 < rxr> stupid mouse, damn tiny stupid mouse ...
02:29 < rxr> well ok - Konqueror actually ...
02:31 < mnemoc> # (( foo++ )); echo $foo
02:31 < mnemoc> 1
02:31 < mnemoc> works on 2.04 :(
02:31 < mnemoc> i dont' understand
02:31 < Mike1> rxr: what was the cmd line?
02:31 < rxr> me neither
02:32 < rxr> Mike1: it is on the schillernet.dyndns.org/svn page
02:32 < Mike1> rxr: ok danke
02:32 < rxr> svn co svn://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/trunk
02:32 < rxr> (--typos)
02:33 < mnemoc> == 08/28/03 20:33:39 =[0]=> Finished building package linux24-header.
02:34 < rxr> and flist is ok ?
02:34 < rxr> damn - the latex-mode of XEmacs has a damn big highlighting bug :-(
02:36 < rxr> aiee
02:36 < rxr> hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x24
02:36 < rxr> hda: lost interrupt
02:36 < rxr> hda: dma_intr: bad DMA status (dma_stat=30)
02:36 < rxr> hda: dma_intr: status=0x50 { DriveReady SeekComplete }
02:36 < rxr> this damn IDE crap
02:37 < jsaw> hd or cd?
02:38 < jsaw> if hd: evil grin
02:39 < rxr> hd
02:43 < jsaw> rxr: oh, btw, totally offtopic: do you know some good songbooks (maybe even somewhere on the inet)?
02:44 < rxr> no - but what do you mean exactly, those with chords - or only text?
02:45 < rxr> I do not search the net for songbooks - I could direct you to Terry Pratchat e_b o  ok  s ..
02:45 < jsaw> chords + text, optinally notes
02:46 < rxr> never searched the net for those -but I have some in paper form. Dream Theator, Allanis Morriset (--typos), Nirvana, Beatels and some others ...
02:46 < jsaw> Terry Pratchet, found in the next music store?
02:47 < rxr> music store? Nope this are fantasy books ...
02:47 < rxr> a morissette was the spelling variation ... I I ever can get this into my brain ...
02:48 < rxr> and -l ...
02:49 < jsaw> Where do u get these songbooks from?
02:50 < rxr> well - the ones above are in original paper form - bought in a shop ... except some Beatels, one Nirvana and I think the Dreat Theater one ...
02:50 < rxr> those are copies from a real-world-book of a firend
02:50 < rxr> jsaw: what exactly do you need?
02:51 < jsaw> rxr: something like a sampler with "good ol stuff" (Rock)
02:52 < jsaw> rxr: I usually play songs for my daughter when she goes to bed, I'm slowly running out of new stuff...
02:53 < rxr> hm - does she like beatels ...
02:54 < jsaw> pretty sure, guess I'll gotta grab that one the next days
02:55 < rxr> oO
02:55 < rxr> I'm currently cippling my server
02:55 < rxr> damn - what is happing here ?!?
02:55 < jsaw> she likes all, from heavy-metal to techno, only requirement: a rythm u can dance on
02:55 < rxr> ok - so I think I need to scan some for you ...
02:56 < jsaw> if u find the time..., thanks!
02:56 < jsaw> me off now, cu l8r
02:56 < rxr> cu jsaw 
02:56 < jsaw> cu rxr, cu all
02:56 < rxr> I think I need to reboot - or so
02:57 < rxr> maybe it was not the best idea to use our sysklogd init script to restart syslog ....
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03:05 < rene> damn
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03:26 < mnemoc> (2 days for e-patents and nothing on rock yet)
03:28 < rxr> yes :-(
03:29 < rxr> I think clifford decided not to touch the typo3 stuff - since it would be to intrusive to incldue it - but at least a frontpage sign would have been enought
03:29 < rxr> damn that the static content vanished anyway ..
03:32 < mnemoc> apache? inserting something in the beginig of DirectoryIndex may be enought
03:33 < rxr> yes
03:35 < mnemoc> rxr: i can give you access to silly-rh if you have time to trace the unset issue
03:36 < rxr> mn - not yet
03:37 < rxr> most interesting would be to know if tsa also uses an old version
03:37 < mnemoc> maybe he is using a new one ;)
03:41 < rxr> if this would be Java - damn one would might to need to search a bug in the garbage collector ...
03:43 < mnemoc> talking about java... i'm finishing the work with boehm-gc :)
03:43 < mnemoc> can you add the date/revision info to /packages?
03:46 < rxr> hm ?
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03:49 < mnemoc> to know when that failure list was generated, and what revision does it represent
03:54 < mnemoc> and don't forget the flist search engine :)
03:56 < rxr> are you are at the regression tester ...
03:56 < rxr> yes
03:57 < mnemoc> https://www.rocklinux.net/packages
03:57 < rxr> mnemoc: are - those are a bit old currently ...
03:58 < rxr> damn why is the handbook so big - I'm just at page 35 with my corrections ...
03:58 < mnemoc> hehehe
04:01 < rxr> readig and correcting it on paper was so much faster ...
04:01 < rxr> and those silly politicans want to introduce laptops in school here ... :-(
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04:06 < _spectre_> gn8
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04:10 < mnemoc> rxr: can you check your scribus checksum? i got 4229346382 here
04:10 < jsaw> re
04:11 < mnemoc> oh! the owner ;)
04:11 < jsaw> mnemoc: I'll also check
04:12 < jsaw> nope cksum ok. now gonna re-download...
04:13 < mnemoc> is it already mirrored?
04:14 < jsaw> new download, your chksum  is correct. *I HATE THAT*
04:14 < jsaw> checking differences...
04:14 < mnemoc> rxr: wondering about gcc*-cross... should i treat it as a regular gcc? (patch it too?)
04:16 < jsaw> wtf, this guy removed the doc dir from scribus. aaaahhh...
04:17 < mnemoc> doh
04:18 < jsaw> but, the package is 30% the original size...
04:19 < mnemoc> 70% was documentation?
04:19 < mnemoc> may be it was packed as scribus-doc-1.....
04:20 < jsaw> pdfs/samples/images etc. 3.5M unpacked
04:20 < jsaw> on my TODO now.
04:22 < jsaw> where do I look up what pkg_* variables are exported?
04:24 < mnemoc> look at debug.buildenv of the src.$pkg.* dir
04:25 < jsaw> no, I mean, I'm using pkg_openldap_prefix, but where is it set. The src.$pkg. vanish after build..
04:26 < mnemoc> :)
04:26 < mnemoc> that's injected to parse-config after openldap is built
04:26 < mnemoc> to ensure the right $prefix
04:27 < mnemoc> take a look into openldap/openldap.conf
04:27 < jsaw> and, where is parse-config lying around?
04:27 < jsaw> (actually I want to know, what other pkg_... variables are set, so, looking into openldap doesn't help...(
04:27 < mnemoc> parse-config is generated form all package/*/*/parse-config when you start a Build-Target
04:28 < mnemoc> build/tool*/..../parse-config
04:28 < jsaw> thanks
04:28 < mnemoc> look the exact location in openldap.conf
04:29 < jsaw> uh, why don't  we have a simple command like export_package_prefix?
04:30 < mnemoc> you can propose and add it to scripts/functions
04:32 < jsaw> I will: Eg. ". package/*/*/gnome-2.conf" searches everytime it's accessed, where the gnome path is. Setting pkg_gnome2_prefix would help alot.
04:33 < mnemoc> openldap_prefix is exported because there is not agreement about location
04:34 < mnemoc> i prefer /opt, but others use /usr in their targets
04:34 < mnemoc> gnome's method makes lot of overhead in every package
04:34 < mnemoc> injecting it in parse-config is free
04:34 < jsaw> and who says, I'm not going to install (current) gnome in /opt/gnome-2.2, and the new in /opt/gnome-2.4?
04:35 < mnemoc> targets
04:35 < jsaw> kill last sentence. 
04:35 < mnemoc> config
04:35 < mnemoc> ok
04:35 < jsaw> u actually agree with my point ("gnome's method makes lot of overhead in every package")
04:35 < rxr> hi jsaw 
04:35 < jsaw> hi rxr.
04:35 < mnemoc> i said that first, so it is MY point :)
04:36 < rxr> what is going on here?
04:36 < jsaw> ? when? (04:35 < jsaw> I will: [snip])
04:36 < mnemoc> just talking about you
04:36 < rxr> just reading some pages of "Die unendliche geschichte" and the wohle irssi is filled ...
04:36 < jsaw> hehe
04:37 < mnemoc> jsaw: you are almost right :)
04:37 < jsaw> so I guess, u complained much much earlier than that...
04:37 < mnemoc> gnome2 can use global .conf to set more that the prefix
04:38 < mnemoc> ldap is more specfic
04:39 < mnemoc> you can add on postmake (throw target's parse-config) a prefix exportator :)
04:40 < jsaw> but only on request... I'll cook sth (asbestos suit well prepared).
04:42 < mnemoc> requested my THE package? add a 'globalize_variable' to scripts/functions, set the patch and wait for screams :)
04:42 < jsaw> s/screams/flames/
04:43 < mnemoc> you r right again ;)
04:44 < jsaw> .oO(thank god he didn't say "A blind man may sometimes hit the mark.")
04:44 < jsaw> .oO(which would be true, but... )
04:45 < mnemoc> =)
04:48 * jsaw dissappears between tubes, cables and lasers (doin some experiments)
04:59 < rxr> cool lasers ...
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07:17 < rxr> re
07:17 < jsaw_> avm/xtris installs files in /usr/local
07:19 < rxr> ieek
07:54 < rxr> quite slient in the morning ...
08:03 < rxr> so - rock-handbook-0.0.7
08:08 < SMP> are tcl8.4-4 and tk8.4-4 on the mirrors?
08:10 < rxr> ls download/x11/tcltk/
08:10 < rxr> tcl8.4.2-src.tar.bz2  tcl8.4.4-src.tar.bz2  tk8.4.3-src.tar.bz2
08:10 < rxr> tcl8.4.3-src.tar.bz2  tk8.4.2-src.tar.bz2   tk8.4.4-src.tar.bz2
08:15 < SMP> Cksum ERROR: download/jsaw/scribus/scribus-1.0.tar.gz.cksum-err (4229346382)
08:16 < jsaw_> known, the file changed since I downloaded it.
08:17 < jsaw_> rxr: seems to be nothing wrong, can u insert this chksum?
08:17 < SMP> diff?
08:17 < jsaw_> ?
08:17 < SMP> what's in the diff?
08:17 < jsaw_> in which diff? 
08:18 < SMP> between the old and the new 1.0
08:18 < jsaw_> docs (examples,samples,etc) were removed
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08:25 < _NULL_> *yaaaaaaaaaaaaawn* moin
08:29 < rxr> jsaw: SMP: yes
08:32 < rxr> done
08:32 < rxr> wepage also online again - just phoned w/ cliff ...
08:34 < jsaw> merci
08:35 < rxr> ok - handbook announced.
08:36 < rxr> mnemoc: and clifford will debug the flyspray user creation bug today ...
08:38 < jsaw> rxr: could you also apply the cleanup patch?
08:40 < rxr> jsaw: yes
08:42 < rxr> done
08:42 < rxr> I search my bed now ..
08:42 < rxr> cu
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08:42 < jsaw> sleep well rxr, cu
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09:50 < sdismar> moin
09:50 < sdismar> *argh*
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10:04 < _NULL_> remoin
10:10 < esden> good morning everyone
10:11 * -> esden feels pain 
10:11 < esden> but this pain is good ;)
10:11 < _NULL_> haeh?
10:12 * _NULL_ doesn't feel pain. and this fscking car had to good "bremsen" --> still alive :-(((((((
10:12 * -> esden was together with Regina on the glacier on Zugspitze ;)
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10:12 < esden> from the bottom of the hill up to the glacier and back down !
10:13 < _NULL_> O_o you're insane...
10:13 < esden> 12 hours walking, climbing and pain ;)
10:13 < esden> that was very nice ... and now I even more know what a beautifull thing is life... and that it is really worth living 
10:14 < esden> and I really feel now that I am alife
10:14 < _NULL_> you're speaking like my father "world is wonderful. life is wonderful" blablabla - it isn't - at least for me
10:15 < esden> I was near to death my dear ... as clifford called me when we were on the glacier
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10:16 < _NULL_> don't use a mobile, then
10:16 < esden> asking if there are any problems with 2.4 kernel on the alpha
10:19 < _NULL_> hrmpf. and /me can walk slowly over a crowded-with-cars street when the lights are red... and those fscking cars are stopping before they 're driving over my dumb :-(
10:20 < esden> why over the street ...
10:20 < esden> that is dumb ... you really should go in the hills ... then you will see what life is worth
10:21 < esden> should we take you with us next time?
10:21 < _NULL_> nah. why should i go in the hills? why should i do something? everything is senseless... and it's "wissenschaftlich bewiesen", that you're only interpreting stuff into everything... 
10:21 < _NULL_> nope. thx.
10:22 < _NULL_> --> right (?) half of brain is able to speak and so... and the left half isn't - and the left half of the brain says "without any reason" - as the scientists found out
10:22 < _NULL_> so... now you ;p
10:23 < esden> and what makes sense in your mind?
10:24 < esden> so what makes sense for you?
10:25 < _NULL_> nothing... 
10:26 < esden> a really predictable answer ... could you once give an answer that is not so forseeable?
10:26 < _NULL_> i can't - not to this question.
10:29 < alanw> good morning folks
10:29 < alanw> may I interrupt your philosophising
10:30 < _NULL_> heh, you're working almost your whole life - what for? then, when you're old, you might able to get a rest - but just _might_ - and after some years of "enjoying the rest", you will die. life is over. dot.
10:30 < _NULL_> hi alanw
10:30 < alanw> I'm just doing an install of a svn checkout from yesterday
10:30 < alanw> I don't yet have e-mail here from work, and I'm going straight off
10:31 < alanw> this evening, so this is the best place to report on progress
10:31 < alanw> I'm running into a few problems.
10:32 < alanw> firstly, I've got a UK keyboard. The uk.map file is OK, but "loadkeys uk.map" fails with
10:32 < alanw> "can't open qwerty-layout"
10:32 < alanw> the directory /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/include/ is missing
10:33 < alanw> secondly, I'm having difficulty with installing the packages.
10:33 < alanw> the CD-ROM seems to be being mounted OK, but is being unmounted again before the install happens
10:35 < alanw> another problem - if I run "stone -text", then go to "install the system",
10:35 < _NULL_> esden, your turn. you're dev
10:36 < alanw> then "package manager", it drops out of text mode and goes into the -dialog mode
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10:46 < alanw> the problem with the cd-rom seems not to be that it is being unmounted,
10:46 < alanw> but that it is being mounted on a temporary directory in /tmp, rather than
10:47 < alanw> on /mnt/source
10:47 < netrunner> alanw: you can tell that stone thing where to mount the cdrom iirc
11:13 < daja77> esden: !
11:13 < esden> alanw: that is normal that it drops out of the text mode ... because as far as I know gasgui (that is what comes after "install the system") is only in "dialog" mode
11:14 < esden> hi daja77 
11:14 < daja77> hi esden & all
11:14 < alanw> I was trying to keep it in text mode so I could turn on "-x" in bash
11:14 < alanw> and trace what was mounting and unmounting the CD-ROM
11:14 < esden> gasgui is one binary ... and not written in bash
11:15 < daja77> ok cu later guys when I am at work
11:15 < esden> cu daja77 
11:16 < alanw> yes - but I'm trying to debug mod_packages
11:17 < esden> hmm ... I have to admit that I do not know the code of mod_packages by hard
11:18 < esden> so I can not tell you how you can efficiently debug it
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11:18 < esden> you could create a logfile for example ... that would help for sure
11:22 < alanw> I see that gasgui does mounting and unmounting - that's probably what's causing
11:23 < alanw> the problem - thanks for pointing it out
11:23 < alanw> I couldn't track down the offending umount in any of the shell scripts
11:23 < esden> but now you have it ;)
11:29 < netrunner> hi esden
11:40 < esden> hi netrunner 
11:40 < alanw> oops - all the stuff about mount/umount was a red herring.
11:40 < alanw> the real problem is not being able to find a package, which somehow has
11:40 < alanw> not got put onto the CD
11:40 * -> esden off for aldi, pharmacy and ingolstadt ;)
11:59 < alanw> OK we're away now. Stone is installing all the packages :-)
12:00 < netrunner> arg ... now my brother has write access to my mp3 storage he screws up my sorting algorithm by totally ignoring my sorting method :(
12:01 < Ge0rG> netrunner: leave him limited to incoming/ ;)
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12:02 < spectre_> moin
12:02 < netrunner> Ge0rG: he was. I must have been stoned when I gave him complete write access :(
12:03 < Ge0rG> hehe
12:05 < NULL_> *lol* hi Ge0rG
12:12 * netrunner recursivly removing write access on /space now
12:22 < NULL_> cool! my notebook is repaired ;)))))))) *jumping around*
12:24 < alanw> We have success. Install of yesterday's svn checkout (rev 1236)
12:25 < alanw> using my own LAMP server target has just installed sucessfully.
12:26 < jsaw> alanw: where can I get ur target?
12:29 < alanw> I could mail it to you if you wanted
12:29 < jsaw> yep, see repo "jsaw" for email address
12:32 < alanw> repo "jsaw"
12:32 < alanw> sorry - I'm new to IRC. What's "repo"
12:33 < alanw> I see that IRC has a send file facility - could I use that?
12:33 < NULL_> https://www.ereboslinux.de.vu/misc/erebos_base.txt << someone please could have a look at it and tell me, if this would work, if i would start a build with the rock-scripts?
12:33 < jsaw> nope, behind a NAT...
12:34 * netrunner wonders why his brother thinks a Desktop.ini should be placed into the mp3 dir ...
12:36 < jsaw> NULL_: no idea. but looks complete.
12:37 < NULL_> jsaw, kewl. thx ;) 
12:37 < netrunner> grmbl ... and why need files names with multiple dashes? 
12:38 < jsaw> NULL_: util-linux maybe?
12:38 < alanw> (repo) - I understand now - e-mail on its way
12:39 < jsaw> NULL_: ah no. It's just a build environment, then no.
12:41 < NULL_> jsaw, build-environment? still just a build-environment with the minimalistic as possible packages... util-linux will not be inclueded in the "base-directory" but in the "system"-utils-dir --> base should be as small as possible ;)
12:49 < jsaw> NULL_: so u can move modutils out also
12:50 < jsaw> alanw: sorry, I was distracted, but u found out already, what I meant.
12:50 < NULL_> jsaw, jep. ok. thx ;)
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12:54 < jsaw> bbl
12:58 < NULL_> bye jsaw
13:00 < daja77> re
13:00 < NULL_> hi daja77
13:00 < daja77> hi owl
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15:10 < daja77> rolla: ping
15:12 * netrunner jumping high and catching the ball 
15:12 * netrunner giggles
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15:16 < daja77> netrunner: everything ok?
15:26 < netrunner> daja77: yeah, I'm fine, just had extensive lunch and need to do a bit sport :)
15:27 < daja77> hehe eating a cow and then sports
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15:33 < netrunner> wow, yesterday ordered a printer, today it is there, nice :)
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15:53 < tcr> moin all
15:53 < mnemoc> moin tcr
15:54 < tcr> mnemoc: Any new and deeper understanding of tsa's and yours problem?
15:55 < mnemoc> hook_add is called and hookdirty_postdoc initialized correctly as 1
15:55 < tcr> Or is it still worth putting some effort on it later today
15:55 < mnemoc> but misteriously that var get lost :(
15:56 < mnemoc> may be memory overwriting
15:56 < tcr> Well, with bashdb it'd be possible to set a watchpoint on a var
15:56 < mnemoc> what version but i shou build bshdb with exactly the same version i have the problem
15:57 < mnemoc> mmm... split
15:57 < tcr> But anyway I haven't so far had any time getting familar with the code in question
15:57 < mnemoc> what vesion does tsa uses?
15:57 < mnemoc> but i .... 
15:57 < tcr> He hasn't answered yet
15:57 < mnemoc> it's quite simple
15:57 < tcr> ??? what are you talking about now?
15:58 < mnemoc> split my sentece :)
15:58 < mnemoc> what vesion does tsa uses?
15:58 < mnemoc>  but i shou build bshdb with exactly the same version i have the problem
15:59 < mnemoc> the code in question is quite simple
15:59 < tcr> Hmm... was your problem reproducible at all
15:59 < tcr> ?
15:59 < tcr> it seems to for tsa at least
16:00 < tcr> s,to,so,
16:01 * daja77 goin home
16:01 < daja77> cu
16:02 < tcr> cu later daja77
16:12 * tcr bbl (gone to friend)
16:16 < mnemoc> tcr: i got it every time i build gcc33 on that redhat
16:16 < mnemoc> :(
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17:03 < dennis> hi
17:04 < mnemoc> hi
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17:07 < dennis> hi mnemoc 
17:23 < dennis> rxr: ping
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17:54 < rxr> pong dennis 
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18:05 < ringo> 1~
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18:11 < inzider> hi2all
18:11 < daja77> hi inzider 
18:12 < inzider> i recently downloaded my first rock-linux distro and tried to install it but,... ;)
18:13 < inzider> i've booted my system and tried the 'server-installation
18:13 < mnemoc> inzider: what exactly did u download?
18:14 < inzider> hm...how can i look this up when the system is already running in ram?
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18:16 < dennis> inzider: cat /etc/VERSION
18:16 < inzider> ROCK Linux 2.0.0-beta6 (2003/06/25)
18:16 < inzider> thx
18:17 < inzider> i mounted my hd and started installing the system
18:18 < owl> hi Nebukadnezea 
18:18 < inzider> at the end of the installation linux started to run in a loop (perfect english -he? *g*).....w/ the following periodic output:
18:19 < inzider> cannot initialize curses
18:19 < inzider> Error opening terminal: linux
18:19 < inzider> ...
18:19 < inzider> hi nebu
18:19 < dennis> check your config from your boot manager
18:19 < daja77> inzider: how much ram has your machine?
18:19 < inzider> 64 mb
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18:20 < daja77> which ramdisk you have chosen?
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18:20 < inzider> the normal one - the little ramdisk had brought up some errors
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18:20 < daja77> yeah you should try rc1 with small ramdisk
18:21 < daja77> if you just have 64MB ram
18:21 < daja77> the error is that mine has not enough mem to install ncurses package
18:21 < inzider> hm...where can i get rc1?
18:22 < daja77> from homepage
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18:22 < th> hi
18:22 < daja77> rc1 has been released some days ago
18:22 < daja77> hi th
18:22 < dennis> hi th 
18:23 < daja77> th: I have been twice in MD without meeting you, funny, isn't it
18:24 < inzider> isn't it very unstable (rc1)?
18:24 < th> daja77: ouhm
18:24 < th> ;)
18:25 < daja77> inzider: *gg* sure there are bugs, but not more than in _beta_ 6
18:25 < inzider> hehe - k
18:25 < daja77> + small ramdisk should work there
18:25 < th> who can tell me why two versions of gcc are required to be downloaded for minimal target?
18:26 < daja77> well let's put it like this, minimal needs some cleanup
18:27 < inzider> hm...will it be enough to boot up with the new little ramdisc of rc1 and afterwards installing packages with beta6 ?
18:27 < th> how minimal is generic?
18:27 < th> in MB or iso count?
18:27 < daja77> why?
18:27 < daja77> generic 3 isos
18:27 < th> ouhm
18:28 < th> thats too much
18:28 < daja77> for what?
18:28 < daja77> minimal 1 iso
18:28 < inzider> so i would only have to download one disc ;)
18:28 < daja77> this will not work
18:29 < inzider> 1 iso rc1 + packages (3 iso's of beta6 )    will not work?
18:29 < daja77> no cos the package database is different
18:30 < inzider> k - thx
18:30 < inzider> great thx - hand! 
18:30 < inzider> bye
18:30 < daja77> np
18:30 < daja77> cu
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18:30 < th> (for me)
18:30 < th> well i could leave some packages from the cd
18:30 < th> s/cd/cd-set/
18:31 < th> daja77: i want to build 2.0.0 and get a result of about 600MB binary packages
18:31 < daja77> svn head?
18:31 < th> rc1 tag
18:32 < daja77> hmm ok then select minimal target and check the package selection before the build
18:32 < th> last time i considered package selection confusing
18:32 < daja77> hmm give it a try
18:32 < th> last time was -camp ;)
18:33 < daja77> in head this is already different
18:33 < th> tell me
18:33 < daja77> there are package selection templates now
18:33 < th> oh
18:33 < daja77> haven't tried myself though, cos of working on rc1 isos, but maybe i try later
18:34 < th> hmm
18:34 < th> should i select packges by modifying target/minimal/config.in's sed string?
18:34 < daja77> you could do that or by editing packages.txt in config
18:35 < th> ok. put it yet another way:
18:35 < th> can i select packages and implicitly select all dependencies?
18:36 < daja77> guess no
18:37 < tcr> re all
18:37 < tcr> rxr: ping?
18:37 < th> mompl
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18:40 < rxr> pong
18:40 < rxr> phoning
18:41 < th> hi rxr
18:41 < tcr> rxr: hi 
18:43 < tcr> rxr: I can't manipulate that content-type in my mailer (without doing some _really_ nasty hack), sorry. But I'll switch soon anyway. For the case that you find it more convenient to have the patches on a httpd, I loaded 'em up
18:43 * daja77 of for dinner
18:43 < tcr> rxr: Also, what I forgot to tell you is that I created the patches agains -camp (but I'd wonder if they create any conflicts)
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18:49 < tcr> rxr: Do you want the url to the patches or is it ok with the mails?
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19:20 < rxr> re
19:20 < rxr> nope per mail
19:21 < rxr> i "only" need to press 4 key in XEmacs/Mew to overwrite this - and to just instant-display the content ...
19:21 < snyke> a php-coder here?
19:22 < rxr> hi th 
19:23 < snyke> hm.
19:23 * rxr away again
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19:47 < mnemoc> wb n00kie_ 
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19:57 < Mike1> hey all
19:57 < dennis> hi Mike1 
19:57 < Mike1> anyone could help me with a curl question?
19:58 < mnemoc> if you don't find the answer yourself means it's out of my scope ;)
19:59 < Mike1> mnemoc: grrr
19:59 < Mike1> i will shoot anyways maybe i am dump today
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20:00 < Mike1> i want to download multiple files using curl, _but_ i want them to be downloaded into a different directory than the one where i am located, and to keep the file name, ie, bleblebli.foo
20:01 < Mike1> mnemoc: ideas?
20:02 < mnemoc> mmm
20:03 < Mike1> mnemoc: this is more or less what i got:
20:03 < Mike1>         @for i in $(shell cat files/base.txt)  ; do \
20:03 < Mike1>                 curl -s -S -o file/ --data-binary $$i ; \
20:03 < Mike1>         done
20:03 < Mike1> the only problem is that it still needs the file name after files/ ...
20:05 < mnemoc> and file/$$i ?
20:06 < mnemoc> forget that
20:06 < Mike1> no because then it would call the file ftp://www.foo.org/bla/bli.foo
20:06 < Mike1> not bli.foo ..
20:07 < mnemoc> ask shell to ${i##*/}
20:07 < mnemoc> and catch it in another var
20:08 < Mike1> show me 
20:09 < mnemoc> something like j=$(shell echo ${i##*/})
20:09 < owl> hi mnemoc , Mike1 
20:09 < Mike1> hi owlita
20:09 < mnemoc> is it inside a Makefile?
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20:09 < mnemoc> hi happyowl
20:10 < Mike1> mnemoc: yes
20:10 < mnemoc> let me test
20:11 < Mike1> ok ..
20:16 < mnemoc> all:
20:16 < mnemoc>         for i in $(shell find .. ) ; do \
20:16 < mnemoc>                 echo $$i $${i##*/}; \
20:16 < mnemoc>         done
20:16 < mnemoc> this works nice
20:16 < Mike1> lets see
20:17 < mnemoc> brb
20:23 < Mike1> yes it worx now, thank you so much mnemoc
20:26 < rxr> hi Mike1 mnemoc 
20:26 < Mike1> hi rxr
20:31 < mnemoc> hi rxf
20:34 < rxr> cu later
20:34 < mnemoc> cu :|
20:35 < Mike1> ;-|
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21:20 < daja77> hi rolla 
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21:23 < tcr> re all
21:25 < dennis> hi tcr 
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21:46 < daja77> rxr: svn 0.28.1 is one the way *vbeg*
21:54 < tcr> hi daja77
21:54 < daja77> hi tcr 
21:54 < daja77> dev discussion on #svn, hehe
21:54 < tcr> who cares? ;)
21:54 < daja77> me
21:55 * daja77 kicks tcr 
21:55 * tcr strikes back
21:55 < tcr> Ah, well you're lucky.. I'm setting up my system
21:55 < daja77> haha the empire ;)
21:55 * mnemoc still prefering arch's idea :\
21:56 * daja77 not
21:56 * tcr gets more and more fellowers *g*
21:56 < daja77> well rxr is stable tree maintainer ...
21:57 < mnemoc> cvs is enought for 'stable tree', but in development we need branches or similar
21:58 < tcr> daja77: It'd be dumb changing at this time
21:58 < daja77> yepp
21:59 < daja77> mnemoc: cvs sucks badly i don't wanna have it back
21:59 < mnemoc> until now new version of svn's server force you to update clients... that's not good
21:59 < mnemoc> nobody said 'havi it back'
21:59 < tcr> daja77: he means "one central repository" with cvs
22:00 * tcr starts to like LVM
22:00 < mnemoc> lvm+reiser?
22:01 < tcr> No, using ext3
22:01 < daja77> mnemoc: no if you checkout via http you don't have to update the clients
22:01 < mnemoc> daja77: sadly that's not true :|
22:02 * daja77 can still checkout everything with svn 0.24.1
22:03 < mnemoc> 0.21 vs 0.22 vs 0.23 vs 0.24
22:03 < daja77> well rxr now runs at least 0.26 and i have no problems so for
22:03 < daja77> far
22:04 < mnemoc> since 0.24 they seem to have stabilized the protocol
22:04 < daja77> yes, lucky me
22:04 < mnemoc> :)
22:05 < mnemoc> but i'm sure they will change something soon... they love to do that :|
22:06 * daja77 will update his rock boxes anyway
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22:08 < tcr> Tssss
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22:10 < netrunner> argl, forgot to disable stage 9 ... well, wait another day :/
22:10 < mnemoc> just one day??!!! :'(
22:10 < daja77> netrunner is spelled chaos ...
22:11 < tcr> stage9 took just some hours here
22:11 < daja77> huh?!
22:11 < tcr> Heh, of course I did deselect _many_ things
22:11 < tcr> like *kde* *gnome* *gtk* ;)
22:12 < daja77> just screen and irssi then ...
22:12 < netrunner> mnemoc: well, this build runs since  2003-08-27 11:26
22:12 < mnemoc> target?
22:12 < netrunner> generic
22:13 < mnemoc> i started a generic two days ago and i'm at stage 3 :(
22:13 < daja77> ahem what old hw is this running on?
22:13 * netrunner needed 28h for stage 5:  2003-08-27 15:05 -> 2003-08-29 19:59
22:13 < daja77> whole generic needs 1.5 days without stage 9
22:14 < mnemoc> daja77: i'm with *NEW* hardware... PII/350/256 =)
22:14 < daja77> lol
22:15 < tcr> Huh? Could you guys please take a look at the .desc of blender?
22:15 < netrunner> ugh ... well ... half a year I also thought I'd use that old P120 for building rock ... after 3 weeks I got bored but was in stage 9 
22:15 < tcr> "The Open Source community brought the source-code and it is now developing blender under the term of the GPL."
22:16 < daja77> tcr: yes that's true
22:16 < tcr> That sentence seems to be enormously screwed 
22:16 < netrunner> tcr: s/brought/bought/ iirc
22:16 < tcr> bought? Really? Not got?
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22:17 < mnemoc> # hdparm -tT /dev/discs/disc[01]/disc
22:17 < mnemoc> /dev/discs/disc0/disc:
22:17 < mnemoc>  Timing buffer-cache reads:   128 MB in  7.54 seconds = 16.98 MB/sec
22:17 < mnemoc>  Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in  8.69 seconds =  7.36 MB/sec
22:17 < mnemoc> /dev/discs/disc1/disc:
22:17 < mnemoc>  Timing buffer-cache reads:   128 MB in  7.24 seconds = 17.68 MB/sec
22:17 < netrunner> brought is from bring ... bought is from buy. I thing they collected money to buy the source, no? or am I thinking of a different project maybe
22:17 < mnemoc>  Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in 36.17 seconds =  1.77 MB/sec
22:17 < mnemoc> what do u think about my drives?
22:18 < tcr> netrunner: I know the difference between brought and bought ;) Just seems odd that they bought the source code, but if it's true ...
22:18 < daja77> tcr: that code was bought, yes
22:18 < netrunner> mnemoc: that command does not believe its results: 
22:18 < netrunner> /dev/md0:
22:18 < netrunner>  Timing buffer-cache reads:   128 MB in  2.59 seconds = 49.42 MB/sec
22:18 < netrunner>  Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in  2.55 seconds = 25.10 MB/sec
22:18 < netrunner> Hmm.. suspicious results: probably not enough free memory for a proper test.
22:18 < tcr> Ok, then... there's still a big fat typo anyway ;)
22:19 < netrunner> tcr: with bringing the source and continuing to develop it is nothing special :)
22:20 < mnemoc> i vote for 'bought'
22:20 < tcr> netrunner: Don't understand you, sorry
22:20 < tcr> Are you confusing bringing with buying? Intentionally?
22:21 < netrunner> tcr: no, you quoted "brought" ... and I said it's nothing special to continue developing the own source.
22:21 < tcr> Ah ;)
22:21 < mnemoc> "they bring it to you as GPL" vs. "they did buy it, now offering it a GPL"
22:23 < netrunner> mnemoc: If I compare with my disc here, my Timing buffer-cache reads:   128 MB in  0.51 seconds =250.98 MB/sec     Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in 26.31 seconds =  2.43 MB/sec
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22:24 < netrunner> mnemoc: the first value here is way higher than yours, but the second is times smaller ...
22:24 < mnemoc> mmm... why? :(
22:25 < mnemoc> i don't know much about that stuff
22:26 < tcr> MB/sec-cache reads: ... 
22:26 < tcr> oups
22:26 < netrunner> mnemoc: what hd do you have there? the last results I quoted are from a 40G ibm IC35L060AVV207
22:26 < tcr> suffering from xchat bug
22:26 < tcr> restart
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22:28 * netrunner -> tv
22:28 < tcr> netrunner: what watching?
22:28 < mnemoc> Maxtor 90845D4, QUANTUM FIREBALL_TM1280A
22:29 < mnemoc> 8G, 1G
22:29 < tcr> btw. I'm having 272.34 MB/sec for buffer-cache reads and 29.09 MB/sec for buffered disk reads
22:30 < mnemoc> can u explain me buffer-cache vs. buffered?
22:31 < tcr> mnemoc: read the manpage (-T and -t option)
22:31 < mnemoc> :(
22:32 < tcr> what makes you sad?
22:32 < mnemoc> :)
22:32 < mnemoc> nothing....
22:33 < mnemoc> nice manpage ;)
22:34 -!- adur [~artur@dsl-213-023-012-250.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:34 < adur> hi
22:35 < tcr> hello adur
22:35 < tcr> A-Dur as used in music?
22:37 < adur> yes
22:38 < adur> i do a lot of music ... so i named myself adur
22:38 < dennis> ;-)
22:50 * daja77 advocated for rock on local university chan
22:51 < daja77> ...and I will do a speech about rock before them
22:51 < tcr> Oh no! Not more of you!
22:51 < daja77> you are shocked?
22:52 < tcr> Hey, I fought against owl and stays more or less sane! Nothing can ever shock me again ;)
22:52 < tcr> s,stays,stayed,
22:52 < daja77> hehehe
22:52 < daja77> so why complaining, you haven't anything from my advocacy
22:52 < mnemoc> r u at the same university?
22:53 < tcr> No, daja77 is an Ossi
22:53 * daja77 slaps tcr 
22:53 < tcr> *g*
22:53 < daja77> mnemoc: tcr is at no university
22:53 < tcr> Damn you
22:54 < daja77> :)
22:54 < tcr> Let's change the topic ;) ... What are you going to tell 'em, daja77?
22:55 < netrunner> tcr: I spy
22:55 < daja77> i will tell all those debian freaks why deb is so lame
22:55 < daja77> and how they get on the road to rock
22:55 < tcr> daja77: "You shalt not lie"
22:56 < daja77> huh, I don't
22:56 < tcr> debian isn't at all bad
22:56 < daja77> i said lame not bad
22:57 < tcr> So you're reffering to its speed? Of course, you did all the time! ;)
22:58 < owl> aeh... can't you build a optimized debian, too?
22:58 < Mike1> re
22:58 < owl> wb Miguel
22:58 < tcr> its development speed is certainly pretty lame ;) But rock ain't optimal on that issue anyway 
22:58 < netrunner> what are always these Assembler messages like {standard input}:1117: Error: value of -137 too large for field of 1 bytes at 3206
22:58 < tcr> hi Mike
23:00 < mnemoc> buenas tardes don Miguel del Santisimo Socorro
23:00 < daja77> zorro
23:00 < tcr> netrunner: -137 doesn't fit into one byte
23:00 < daja77> :)
23:00 < Mike1> diay del Santisimo socrorro!!!
23:00 < Mike1> :P
23:00 < tcr> socorro == soccers?
23:01 < Mike1> tcr: not really
23:01 * daja77 should have chosen spanish ...
23:02 < mnemoc> what did you choose? french?
23:02 < Mike1> daja77: yes you should have...
23:02 < tcr> Me did
23:02 < tcr> @ mnemoc
23:02 < daja77> mnemoc: yes that too
23:02 < tcr> I chose french instead of spanish
23:02 < netrunner> tcr: I know. but since this is not the first time I see that error it is most probable that they come from a common source .. and I hoped that it would be known to one of you
23:02 < tcr> netrunner: Where/when do you see those messages?
23:03 * netrunner likes french ... but not as a language.
23:03 < netrunner> tcr: 5-xine.err
23:03 < tcr> Heh
23:03 < daja77> Mike1: but i couldn't have talked to the hot french babes then
23:03 < daja77> netrunner: ahem you know nothing :P
23:03 < mnemoc> french is good for girls, not for men :)
23:03 < tcr> netrunner: Could load it put anywhere? I'll take a look later
23:04 < Mike1> daja77: you will have to see girls from Chile and Costa Rica, to see what you are missing for nbot speaking spanish
23:04 < daja77> show me!
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23:04 < Mike1> mnemoc: shall we let daja77 what he misses ?
23:04 < tsa> hi all.
23:04 < daja77> hi tsa 
23:04 < dennis> hi tsa 
23:05 < Mike1> daja77: you could ask tsa he have been around the area, so he can for sure give you an honest opinion
23:05 < Mike1> hola tsa btw
23:05 < daja77> Mike1: show tsa and me some chicks, please
23:05 < netrunner> Mike1: when I look at those girls I do not want to talk much to them :)
23:05 < Mike1> netrunner: good point. :)
23:05 < mnemoc> :)
23:06 < Mike1> daja77: i will show you pics someday i promisse :)
23:06 < Mike1> daja77: but there is nothing like the real thing
23:06 < netrunner> tcr: I can. But I would do so anyway when the build is complete. want it now or 24 h later?
23:06 < daja77> netrunner: hehe following that guideline: better keeping your mouth shut and look stupid, than open it and remove all doubts
23:06 < Mike1> mnemoc: could you save some money so you can go with me to 20c3?
23:07 < daja77> that would rock!
23:07 < Mike1> daja77: also you can save soem cash so you come visit us next summer...
23:07 < mnemoc> Mike1: i can't save money for the moment :(
23:07 < daja77> Mike1: i'll try
23:08 < tcr> tsa: It's tragedy that the several proposals of checking for bash 2.05b haven't ever gone through. Otherwise you wouldn't have had to suffer from that build failure of gcc
23:08 < Mike1> mnemoc: perhaps you could try hacking a bank?
23:08 < Mike1> *vbeg*
23:08 < mnemoc> i'm a good boy :(
23:08 < Mike1> mnemoc: it would be for a good cause.
23:09 < tcr> netrunner: Hmm, do it now
23:09 < daja77> yeah getting drunk with us at berlin
23:09 < mnemoc> i have to pay the birth of my second child :\
23:09 < tsa> tcr: wel....as it seems, no one has ever generated a list of what actually is needed to compile rock. 
23:09 < tcr> mnemoc: Man, use condoms!
23:09 < Mike1> mnemoc: 0_o 
23:09 < daja77> tcr: shut up
23:09 < Mike1> mnemoc: how come you didn't gave us the news?
23:09 < mnemoc> with that money i could pay 2 trips to .de
23:09 < daja77> mnemoc: already here
23:09 < daja77> ?
23:09 < mnemoc> ?
23:09 < tsa> if compiling fails on rock, i wonder how it should ever compile on other distros..
23:10 < daja77> i mean is it already born
23:10 < Mike1> it..
23:10 < Mike1> daja77: be polite
23:10 < tcr> tsa: Yeah. 
23:10 < daja77> Mike1: i don't know atm
23:10 < mnemoc> i said in april i will be father again :)
23:10 < daja77> congratz
23:10 < daja77> s/it/he\/she/
23:10 < Mike1> tsa: you would be suprissed on how good rock builds on debian..
23:11 < mnemoc> daja77: thanks... don't know yet... in one week i can try to 'see'
23:11 < Mike1> mnemoc: congratz
23:11 < netrunner> tcr: https://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/rocklinux/err/server-2.0.0-rc2-x86-k6-2-32-generic-expert/
23:12 < mnemoc> thanks again Mike ;)
23:12 < Mike1> :)
23:12 < daja77> netrunner: ahem k6, could be optimzation errors?
23:12 < mnemoc> tcr: i don't like condoms :)
23:13 < netrunner> daja77: I would be delighted if you would enlighten me how to recognize those :)
23:13 < daja77> netrunner: hehe no way, say sth like pentium-mmx and try again
23:14 < daja77> sorry had strange behaviour with pentium3 optimization on p4 
23:15 < netrunner> daja77: hm ... so compiling that specific package on a k6 would help? so I'll build them after install and see.
23:16 < daja77> could be better yes
23:16 < tcr> netrunner: Do you still have the src.xine* dir?
23:16 < netrunner> tcr: positive
23:16 < daja77> you can somtimes guess sth like that when the build is showing real absurd behaviour
23:17 < daja77> only real cross build will make that right i guess
23:17 < tcr> netrunner: So change in it and repeat the last command, but pass -S to the compiler (don't frget debug.sh!)
23:18 < netrunner> tcr: shall I run that debug.sh before repeating the last command or put it to the beginning of my commandline
23:18 < tcr> you should run it before, it does rebuild the environment
23:18 < tcr> s,does,will,
23:19 < netrunner> ah. and it fails btw :/
23:20 < tcr> Hm?
23:20 < netrunner> hrmpf, why doesn't it mount the R.build before chrooting? has that ever worked for anybody?
23:21 < tcr> Can't remember. Might be true... I know I just sourced some *env* script lately
23:22 < tcr> mnemoc: still here?
23:24 < mnemoc> yep, but short
23:24 < tcr> mnemoc: in the description of your lzo package, there's some lonely 'i' at the end of some sentence
23:25 < mnemoc> o_O
23:25 < mnemoc> vi
23:25 < tcr> Heh ;)
23:25 < netrunner> hm ... I had to sh R_mount.sh ... but the R.src dir only contains the ERROR-LOG and the install-wrapper.
23:25 < mnemoc> fixed here...
23:26 < mnemoc> thanks
23:27 < mnemoc> bbl
23:27 < netrunner> hm ... I'll reschedule it and see.
23:27 < tcr> netrunner: No idea. You should consult rxr.. 
23:28 < netrunner> tcr: I'll write a mail to the list. I wonder because I have seen this error more often, so that is some specific error I guess.
23:29 < netrunner> tcr: thx so far :) let's fight on the rlml ;)
23:45 < netrunner> n8
23:45 < tcr> gn8
23:57 < daja77> svn 0.28.2, hehe
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