-!- Irrsi Log opened Fri Aug 29 00:00:37 2003
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[00:27] < rxr> *lol*
[00:27] < rxr> >Aug 28 10:45:44 pc kernel: MASQUERADE: No route: Rusty's brain broke!
[00:27] < mnemoc> re
[00:28] < tcr> Heh
[00:28] < mnemoc> o_O
[00:32] < rxr> this is not on my box - it is a paste from linux-kernel ...
[00:35] < netrunner> nice, quite a bunch of nice games here :)
[00:36] netrunner -> bed, n8 all
[00:37] < _spectre_> n8 netrunner
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[00:58] < mnemoc> rxr?
[00:58] < mnemoc> how 'legal' is the protection u add to in.h?
[01:00] < mnemoc> are those really for kernel only? why didn't failed on 2.4.21?
[01:02] < tcr> ok, rxr .. patches are commin'
[01:07] < rxr> yes
[01:07] < rxr> mnemoc: because it was not present in 2.4.21
[01:07] < rxr> mnemoc: it is not easy to get to the types used there - this nees more ifdefs in other files ...
[01:08] < jsaw_> re/hi all
[01:09] < jsaw_> rxr: but kernel may argue, that user space apps should be fixed? Or did u ask them? Just imagine sb. developing on ROCK, and the package fails everywhere else...
[01:09] < jsaw_> s/kernel/kernel guys/
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[01:11] < rxr> jsaw: nope I have not asked them
[01:11] < rxr> but the offical statment is anyway: Use one magic kernel header version (liek the RedHat 2.4.18-magic-cruft-bla) and be happy with it ...
[01:12] < rxr> so it is normal that nobody cares about userspace breakage and we need to fix it
[01:12] < rxr> I had a look - the datatypes used in that sections are extra protected with __KERNEL__ in the other files - I just did protected the useage of them - now, too ...
[01:12] < rxr> plain straight forwared ...
[01:13] < rxr> but if you want ot consult the kernel people I'm happy about any userspace header fix you get out of them ...
[01:14] < jsaw> if __KERNEL__ is used there, then the kernel is wrong, send the patch to LKML.
[01:15] < jsaw> I mean for the protected types in that section...
[01:16] < rxr> we have many patches that could go upstream - but just too less time to do this all ...
[01:17] < rxr> remember me to take yet another look to that issue today - after sleep ....
[01:18] < jsaw> :)
[01:18] < mnemoc> will u sleep this week?
[01:18] < rxr> tonight the review of the handbook is my top priority ...
[01:19] < rxr> I reread it complete this after - all the nearly 100 pages - and each page is filled with blue comments ..
[01:19] < rxr> mnemoc: hm ?
[01:19] < rxr> mnemoc: sleep in 'the bad replacement for tea' ?
[01:19] < mnemoc> i have seen you everyday here preaty late
[01:20] < jsaw> average 3hours per day, I guess rxr a bit less
[01:20] < rxr> mnemoc: just kidding - I slept in the mornings ....
[01:21] < rxr> IRC is more interesting during the night - less noise ...
[01:21] < mnemoc> you shop in the mornings
[01:21] < rxr> no this was past-lunch ...
[01:21] tcr is taking a look at tsa's 1-gcc3.err
[01:21] < tcr> Funny thing that is
[01:21] < rxr> and only because Verena has a tent trip today and needed some utilities ... - normally I do not need to get that much real-world stuff that often ...
[01:22] < jsaw> :))))
[01:22] < rxr> well - not only today - but till Monday, not just one day ...
[01:22] < rxr> jsaw: I hope it was a joke that you only get 3hours/day of sleep ?
[01:23] < jsaw> rxr: can u give me a hint, what types were protected in that section in in.h?
[01:23] < mnemoc> i sleep 4
[01:24] < jsaw> rxr: actually between 3-4, I don't know.
[01:24] < rxr> it was not in in.h
[01:24] < mnemoc> no?
[01:24] < rxr> sockaddr_storage
[01:25] < mnemoc> that's at socket.h, but i think you protected in.h
[01:25] < rxr> it is in: socket.h
[01:25] < rxr> mnemoc: yes - becuase socket.h does not export those ...
[01:26] < rxr> #if defined(__KERNEL__) || !defined(__GLIBC__) || (__GLIBC__ < 2)
[01:26] < rxr> and I did not wanted to mess with this
[01:26] < rxr> and this group* stuff is not used in any of our includes packages (nothing ever wanted it at least)
[01:26] < mnemoc> append lines is safer than modify lines
[01:26] < tcr> Ok, I think tsa found a bug in the build scripts
[01:27] < tcr> No clue where that bug may be though
[01:27] < jsaw> it is a bad joke, that the complete linux/socket.h file is ifdef'd out.
[01:27] < jsaw> don't u think so?
[01:31] < rxr> jsaw: the glibc has a private one
[01:31] < rxr> it depends how it is intented to be used - if it is not needed for the userspace - and only needs to be present for the other usepace headers not to fail ...
[01:31] < jsaw> rxr: I think, the patch is wrong. sockaddr_storage is in bits/socket.h
[01:32] < jsaw> rxr: thanks, I just found out, that glibc has its own...
[01:32] < rxr> wah - that is highly ugly - to mix glibc definitions with kernel header usage ...
[01:32] < rxr> i think it is ok this way - but fell free to discuss it with the kernel folk ...
[01:33] < jsaw> ???
[01:33] < jsaw> if iproute2 mixes these headers, what can I do?
[01:33] < jsaw> that's not really a good reason to change the kernel headers, or?
[01:34] < rxr> not it does not mix them ...
[01:34] < rxr> it just includes in.h - and expects it to work ...
[01:34] < rxr> and it fails due to this sockaddr_storage is not defined ...
[01:35] < jsaw> then why not simply put #include <bits/socket.h> into iproute2?
[01:35] < rxr> because I think it is not allowed to mix glibc and kernel definitons - and because it is not needed anyway ...
[01:35] < jsaw> (or fix glibc, maybe their fault)
[01:35] < tcr> I'm not sure about what you're discussing, but what about asking the maintainer of iproute??
[01:36] < rxr> this is _not_ and iproute issue. It worked and iproute does not use it.
[01:36] < mnemoc> mmm
[01:36] < mnemoc> ack
[01:36] < tcr> Whatever
[01:36] < rxr> it is just that the kernel headers in 2.4.22 are not sane and can not be simply included - they must be sane enought to be just included ...
[01:37] < tcr> Just reminds that I did a bug report to glibc, and haven't yet received any reply from them. Maybe, they didn't CC me, so will look in the archive
[01:37] < rxr> tcr: coudl you track the gcc thing of tsa ?
[01:37] < tcr> rxr: ??? You need sleep ;)
[01:38] < rxr> nope I asked track it - not oversleep it ;-)
[01:38] < tcr> rxr: I compared my 1-gcc3.log with his .err, and they're actually quite equal, but something seems to go wrong on his pc
[01:38] < rxr> ok - I try it ...
[01:38] < SMP> we should change our linux*-header packages _not_ to extract the headers from the linux sources, but to use a pre-sanitized package
[01:39] < mnemoc> let me see the .err
[01:39] < mnemoc> i already fixed a 'bug' after postdoc
[01:39] < mnemoc> of gcc33
[01:39] < mnemoc> yep
[01:40] < mnemoc> the same
[01:40] < rxr> mnemoc: cool - patch ?
[01:40] < mnemoc> the problem is uset hookdirty_postdoc
[01:40] < mnemoc> || true :)
[01:40] < mnemoc> unset fails becuase that var is not defined
[01:40] < rxr> SMP: I do not like the RedHat way - this way the kernel header would rott even more
[01:41] < rxr> mnemoc: in gcc3.conf - or in scripts/* ?
[01:41] < rxr> Weeeeeee qt finished on rs6k
[01:41] < mnemoc> scripts/functions
[01:42] < SMP> rxr: then why do I not see a single patch in package/base/linux24-header ?
[01:42] < jsaw> SMP: linux24/
[01:42] < jsaw> 95- something
[01:43] < rxr> SMP: because all treeversion of linux packages use the treever patches in linux$treever
[01:43] < mnemoc> rxr: scripts/functions:53, append a || true
[01:43] < rxr> SMP: do you want to have tree duplicates for each ?
[01:44] < mnemoc> rxr: don't forget -cross :)
[01:44] < SMP> there is a clear distinction between patches that affect the kernel-headers for userspace and patches that affect the kernel in general
[01:45] < rxr> SMP: ieek?!?!?!? The kernel header should be just correct
[01:45] < tcr> mnemoc: Please write an answer to tsa
[01:45] < SMP> the former are needed in linux*-header and _not_ in linux
[01:46] < rxr> SMP: this is like arch specific patches - they do not fix the problem in a correct way - patches should be correct and so work for inkernel and usespace useage - where is the problem ?
[01:46] < rxr> mnemoc: hm - I do not see why this happens ?
[01:48] < rxr> the hookdirty should be defined ...
[01:49] < rxr> it is incremented in hook_add - and if it does not exist it is defined - I just verified ...
[01:50] < rxr> and why is this only failing for a pentium3 optimmized gcc ?
[01:51] < mnemoc> nope... fails here for p-mmx
[01:51] < mnemoc> but fails on rh7.1 and not on rock2b6
[01:52] < rxr> hm - maybe bash variant
[01:52] < rxr> what is bash's version on your RH box ?
[01:52] < mnemoc> GNU bash, version 2.04.11(1)-release (i386-redhat-linux-gnu)
[01:52] < mnemoc> Copyright 1999 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[01:53] < tcr> I wonder that the scripts work at all
[01:53] < mnemoc> without knowing the cause of the 'undefinement' i prefered to not send the patch when i notice that
[01:54] < tcr> I can remember having seen constructs which only bash 2.05b supports
[01:54] < rxr> yes
[01:54] < rxr> also some strange interupted systemcalls happend when using an old bash ...
[01:55] < rxr> I would reply to the mail - or has anyone done already?
[01:55] < tcr> me and mnemoc did already
[01:56] < tcr> I think tsa should try out mnemoc's workaround. It may work
[01:56] rxr fetchmailing
[01:56] < tcr> if it does work, we have a closer hint where we should look at
[01:57] < mnemoc> i works, but the *real* error can be much dangerous that a simple unset undefined_variable
[01:57] < mnemoc> that patch is MS-like ;)
[01:57] < tcr> mnemoc: well, it works for your system ;) for your old bash, for your optimization etc
[01:58] < mnemoc> unset shit; echo $?
[01:58] < rxr> yes - I will not add this since it normally should just work - and does so for all my builds ...
[01:58] < mnemoc> || true ... works on every sh
[01:59] mnemoc wonders what bash do tsa have
[01:59] < rxr> I wanted to ask this ...
[02:00] < tcr> Ok, folks... I'm gonna sleep
[02:00] < tcr> See you
[02:00] < mnemoc> rxr: i don't see any hook_add postdoc
[02:00] < mnemoc> so, it's natural to get it undefined
[02:01] < rxr> mnemoc: Build-Pkg
[02:01] < mnemoc> sorry... it's there
[02:01] < rxr> tcr: still here?
[02:01] < tcr> yes
[02:01] < rxr> could you configure you mailer to not send Text/Plain files base64 encoded
[02:01] < rxr> ?
[02:02] < tcr> Hrm, I send everything with Mime
[02:03] < tcr> rxr: let me test
[02:03] < rxr> ok - let's rephrase this
[02:04] < rxr> could you configure your mailer to send it base64 if you liek this - but mark it Test/Plain instead Application/Octet-Stream
[02:04] < tcr> I sent a mail to you, is that one ok?
[02:05] < rxr> na - the other way round - base64 doesn't matter that much - but Application/Occtest-Stream does ...
[02:06] < rxr> I have to overrite this for any attachemtn I just want to quickly read via C-U-C-E ...
[02:06] < tcr> Hmm, I'm searching for an option or something
[02:06] < tcr> mom
[02:16] < mnemoc> 2.05 is officily a requirement for building rock?
[02:16] < rxr> mnemoc: yes - I think so.
[02:16] < tcr> Yeah. I proposed several times to add it to Check-Systen
[02:17] < tcr> but it never got through it seems
[02:18] < mnemoc> apropos requirements... do u think we can remplace cp -L from linux24-header?
[02:18] < mnemoc> just to free one restriction :)
[02:19] < mnemoc> i would love to 'relax' rock a bit :)
[02:23] < mnemoc> isn't -L the default behavior?
[02:24] < rxr> mnemoc: if I commit a linux24-header relex now - could you immediately test it ?
[02:24] < mnemoc> i already update coreutils in the rh :(
[02:25] < mnemoc> but i can test immediately
[02:25] < tcr> hah, mnemoc's patch works for tsa
[02:25] < rxr> mnemoc: commited
[02:26] < mnemoc> scribus right chksum: 4229346382
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[02:26] < Mike1> re
[02:26] < mnemoc> hi mike
[02:26] < rxr> hi mnemoc
[02:26] < Mike1> anyone has seen the mess with www.rocklinux.org ?
[02:26] < rxr> damn ... Mike1 - dump completation ...
[02:26] < rxr> Mike1: yes
[02:26] < Mike1> rxr: whats going on?
[02:26] < rxr> but I could not reach Clifford ...
[02:26] < rxr> neither via cell-phone ...
[02:26] < tcr> rxr: I see currently no way changing content-type and the FAQ is brainfucked, I'll see if I find anything tomorrow
[02:26] < Mike1> rxr: that sucks
[02:26] < tcr> gn8 all
[02:26] < rxr> Mike1: don't know - I guess the static generation cron-job blow up ...
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[02:27] < Mike1> rxr: cool
[02:27] < rxr> tcr: thanks for investigation!
[02:27] < Mike1> rxr: i guess we will ahve to wait till ciff fix it
[02:27] < rxr> Mike1: cool?
[02:27] < Mike1> rxr: could you give me the svn server url to get the src i need it
[02:27] < Mike1> rxr: cool as in sarcasm..
[02:28] < rxr> you could still use the dynamic version at www.rocklinux.net/typo3
[02:28] < rxr> or just view my subversion overview at:
[02:28] < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.net/people/michiel/serialrescue/
[02:28] < rxr> errr damn
[02:28] < Mike1> mm...
[02:28] < rxr> https://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/
[02:28] < Mike1> rxr: thats all i needed thank you
[02:29] < rxr> stupid mouse, damn tiny stupid mouse ...
[02:29] < rxr> well ok - Konqueror actually ...
[02:31] < mnemoc> # (( foo++ )); echo $foo
[02:31] < mnemoc> 1
[02:31] < mnemoc> works on 2.04 :(
[02:31] < mnemoc> i dont' understand
[02:31] < Mike1> rxr: what was the cmd line?
[02:31] < rxr> me neither
[02:32] < rxr> Mike1: it is on the schillernet.dyndns.org/svn page
[02:32] < Mike1> rxr: ok danke
[02:32] < rxr> svn co svn://schillernet.dyndns.org/svn/rock-linux/trunk
[02:32] < rxr> (--typos)
[02:33] < mnemoc> == 08/28/03 20:33:39 =[0]=> Finished building package linux24-header.
[02:34] < rxr> and flist is ok ?
[02:34] < rxr> damn - the latex-mode of XEmacs has a damn big highlighting bug :-(
[02:36] < rxr> aiee
[02:36] < rxr> hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x24
[02:36] < rxr> hda: lost interrupt
[02:36] < rxr> hda: dma_intr: bad DMA status (dma_stat=30)
[02:36] < rxr> hda: dma_intr: status=0x50 { DriveReady SeekComplete }
[02:36] < rxr> this damn IDE crap
[02:37] < jsaw> hd or cd?
[02:38] < jsaw> if hd: evil grin
[02:39] < rxr> hd
[02:43] < jsaw> rxr: oh, btw, totally offtopic: do you know some good songbooks (maybe even somewhere on the inet)?
[02:44] < rxr> no - but what do you mean exactly, those with chords - or only text?
[02:45] < rxr> I do not search the net for songbooks - I could direct you to Terry Pratchat e_b o ok s ..
[02:45] < jsaw> chords + text, optinally notes
[02:46] < rxr> never searched the net for those -but I have some in paper form. Dream Theator, Allanis Morriset (--typos), Nirvana, Beatels and some others ...
[02:46] < jsaw> Terry Pratchet, found in the next music store?
[02:47] < rxr> music store? Nope this are fantasy books ...
[02:47] < rxr> a morissette was the spelling variation ... I I ever can get this into my brain ...
[02:48] < rxr> and -l ...
[02:49] < jsaw> Where do u get these songbooks from?
[02:50] < rxr> well - the ones above are in original paper form - bought in a shop ... except some Beatels, one Nirvana and I think the Dreat Theater one ...
[02:50] < rxr> those are copies from a real-world-book of a firend
[02:50] < rxr> jsaw: what exactly do you need?
[02:51] < jsaw> rxr: something like a sampler with "good ol stuff" (Rock)
[02:52] < jsaw> rxr: I usually play songs for my daughter when she goes to bed, I'm slowly running out of new stuff...
[02:53] < rxr> hm - does she like beatels ...
[02:54] < jsaw> pretty sure, guess I'll gotta grab that one the next days
[02:55] < rxr> oO
[02:55] < rxr> I'm currently cippling my server
[02:55] < rxr> damn - what is happing here ?!?
[02:55] < jsaw> she likes all, from heavy-metal to techno, only requirement: a rythm u can dance on
[02:55] < rxr> ok - so I think I need to scan some for you ...
[02:56] < jsaw> if u find the time..., thanks!
[02:56] < jsaw> me off now, cu l8r
[02:56] < rxr> cu jsaw
[02:56] < jsaw> cu rxr, cu all
[02:56] < rxr> I think I need to reboot - or so
[02:57] < rxr> maybe it was not the best idea to use our sysklogd init script to restart syslog ....
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[03:05] < rene> damn
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[03:26] < mnemoc> (2 days for e-patents and nothing on rock yet)
[03:28] < rxr> yes :-(
[03:29] < rxr> I think clifford decided not to touch the typo3 stuff - since it would be to intrusive to incldue it - but at least a frontpage sign would have been enought
[03:29] < rxr> damn that the static content vanished anyway ..
[03:32] < mnemoc> apache? inserting something in the beginig of DirectoryIndex may be enought
[03:33] < rxr> yes
[03:35] < mnemoc> rxr: i can give you access to silly-rh if you have time to trace the unset issue
[03:36] < rxr> mn - not yet
[03:37] < rxr> most interesting would be to know if tsa also uses an old version
[03:37] < mnemoc> maybe he is using a new one ;)
[03:41] < rxr> if this would be Java - damn one would might to need to search a bug in the garbage collector ...
[03:43] < mnemoc> talking about java... i'm finishing the work with boehm-gc :)
[03:43] < mnemoc> can you add the date/revision info to /packages?
[03:46] < rxr> hm ?
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[03:49] < mnemoc> to know when that failure list was generated, and what revision does it represent
[03:54] < mnemoc> and don't forget the flist search engine :)
[03:56] < rxr> are you are at the regression tester ...
[03:56] < rxr> yes
[03:57] < mnemoc> https://www.rocklinux.net/packages
[03:57] < rxr> mnemoc: are - those are a bit old currently ...
[03:58] < rxr> damn why is the handbook so big - I'm just at page 35 with my corrections ...
[03:58] < mnemoc> hehehe
[04:01] < rxr> readig and correcting it on paper was so much faster ...
[04:01] < rxr> and those silly politicans want to introduce laptops in school here ... :-(
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[04:06] < _spectre_> gn8
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[04:10] < mnemoc> rxr: can you check your scribus checksum? i got 4229346382 here
[04:10] < jsaw> re
[04:11] < mnemoc> oh! the owner ;)
[04:11] < jsaw> mnemoc: I'll also check
[04:12] < jsaw> nope cksum ok. now gonna re-download...
[04:13] < mnemoc> is it already mirrored?
[04:14] < jsaw> new download, your chksum is correct. *I HATE THAT*
[04:14] < jsaw> checking differences...
[04:14] < mnemoc> rxr: wondering about gcc*-cross... should i treat it as a regular gcc? (patch it too?)
[04:16] < jsaw> wtf, this guy removed the doc dir from scribus. aaaahhh...
[04:17] < mnemoc> doh
[04:18] < jsaw> but, the package is 30% the original size...
[04:19] < mnemoc> 70% was documentation?
[04:19] < mnemoc> may be it was packed as scribus-doc-1.....
[04:20] < jsaw> pdfs/samples/images etc. 3.5M unpacked
[04:20] < jsaw> on my TODO now.
[04:22] < jsaw> where do I look up what pkg_* variables are exported?
[04:24] < mnemoc> look at debug.buildenv of the src.$pkg.* dir
[04:25] < jsaw> no, I mean, I'm using pkg_openldap_prefix, but where is it set. The src.$pkg. vanish after build..
[04:26] < mnemoc> :)
[04:26] < mnemoc> that's injected to parse-config after openldap is built
[04:26] < mnemoc> to ensure the right $prefix
[04:27] < mnemoc> take a look into openldap/openldap.conf
[04:27] < jsaw> and, where is parse-config lying around?
[04:27] < jsaw> (actually I want to know, what other pkg_... variables are set, so, looking into openldap doesn't help...(
[04:27] < mnemoc> parse-config is generated form all package/*/*/parse-config when you start a Build-Target
[04:28] < mnemoc> build/tool*/..../parse-config
[04:28] < jsaw> thanks
[04:28] < mnemoc> look the exact location in openldap.conf
[04:29] < jsaw> uh, why don't we have a simple command like export_package_prefix?
[04:30] < mnemoc> you can propose and add it to scripts/functions
[04:32] < jsaw> I will: Eg. ". package/*/*/gnome-2.conf" searches everytime it's accessed, where the gnome path is. Setting pkg_gnome2_prefix would help alot.
[04:33] < mnemoc> openldap_prefix is exported because there is not agreement about location
[04:34] < mnemoc> i prefer /opt, but others use /usr in their targets
[04:34] < mnemoc> gnome's method makes lot of overhead in every package
[04:34] < mnemoc> injecting it in parse-config is free
[04:34] < jsaw> and who says, I'm not going to install (current) gnome in /opt/gnome-2.2, and the new in /opt/gnome-2.4?
[04:35] < mnemoc> targets
[04:35] < jsaw> kill last sentence.
[04:35] < mnemoc> config
[04:35] < mnemoc> ok
[04:35] < jsaw> u actually agree with my point ("gnome's method makes lot of overhead in every package")
[04:35] < rxr> hi jsaw
[04:35] < jsaw> hi rxr.
[04:35] < mnemoc> i said that first, so it is MY point :)
[04:36] < rxr> what is going on here?
[04:36] < jsaw> ? when? (04:35 < jsaw> I will: [snip])
[04:36] < mnemoc> just talking about you
[04:36] < rxr> just reading some pages of "Die unendliche geschichte" and the wohle irssi is filled ...
[04:36] < jsaw> hehe
[04:37] < mnemoc> jsaw: you are almost right :)
[04:37] < jsaw> so I guess, u complained much much earlier than that...
[04:37] < mnemoc> gnome2 can use global .conf to set more that the prefix
[04:38] < mnemoc> ldap is more specfic
[04:39] < mnemoc> you can add on postmake (throw target's parse-config) a prefix exportator :)
[04:40] < jsaw> but only on request... I'll cook sth (asbestos suit well prepared).
[04:42] < mnemoc> requested my THE package? add a 'globalize_variable' to scripts/functions, set the patch and wait for screams :)
[04:42] < jsaw> s/screams/flames/
[04:43] < mnemoc> you r right again ;)
[04:44] < jsaw> .oO(thank god he didn't say "A blind man may sometimes hit the mark.")
[04:44] < jsaw> .oO(which would be true, but... )
[04:45] < mnemoc> =)
[04:48] jsaw dissappears between tubes, cables and lasers (doin some experiments)
[04:59] < rxr> cool lasers ...
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[07:17] < rxr> re
[07:17] < jsaw_> avm/xtris installs files in /usr/local
[07:19] < rxr> ieek
[07:54] < rxr> quite slient in the morning ...
[08:03] < rxr> so - rock-handbook-0.0.7
[08:08] < SMP> are tcl8.4-4 and tk8.4-4 on the mirrors?
[08:10] < rxr> ls download/x11/tcltk/
[08:10] < rxr> tcl8.4.2-src.tar.bz2 tcl8.4.4-src.tar.bz2 tk8.4.3-src.tar.bz2
[08:10] < rxr> tcl8.4.3-src.tar.bz2 tk8.4.2-src.tar.bz2 tk8.4.4-src.tar.bz2
[08:15] < SMP> Cksum ERROR: download/jsaw/scribus/scribus-1.0.tar.gz.cksum-err (4229346382)
[08:16] < jsaw_> known, the file changed since I downloaded it.
[08:17] < jsaw_> rxr: seems to be nothing wrong, can u insert this chksum?
[08:17] < SMP> diff?
[08:17] < jsaw_> ?
[08:17] < SMP> what's in the diff?
[08:17] < jsaw_> in which diff?
[08:18] < SMP> between the old and the new 1.0
[08:18] < jsaw_> docs (examples,samples,etc) were removed
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[08:25] < _NULL_> *yaaaaaaaaaaaaawn* moin
[08:29] < rxr> jsaw: SMP: yes
[08:32] < rxr> done
[08:32] < rxr> wepage also online again - just phoned w/ cliff ...
[08:34] < jsaw> merci
[08:35] < rxr> ok - handbook announced.
[08:36] < rxr> mnemoc: and clifford will debug the flyspray user creation bug today ...
[08:38] < jsaw> rxr: could you also apply the cleanup patch?
[08:40] < rxr> jsaw: yes
[08:42] < rxr> done
[08:42] < rxr> I search my bed now ..
[08:42] < rxr> cu
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[08:42] < jsaw> sleep well rxr, cu
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[09:50] < sdismar> moin
[09:50] < sdismar> *argh*
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[10:04] < _NULL_> remoin
[10:10] < esden> good morning everyone
[10:11] esden feels pain
[10:11] < esden> but this pain is good ;)
[10:11] < _NULL_> haeh?
[10:12] _NULL_ doesn't feel pain. and this fscking car had to good "bremsen" --> still alive :-(((((((
[10:12] esden was together with Regina on the glacier on Zugspitze ;)
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[10:12] < esden> from the bottom of the hill up to the glacier and back down !
[10:13] < _NULL_> O_o you're insane...
[10:13] < esden> 12 hours walking, climbing and pain ;)
[10:13] < esden> that was very nice ... and now I even more know what a beautifull thing is life... and that it is really worth living
[10:14] < esden> and I really feel now that I am alife
[10:14] < _NULL_> you're speaking like my father "world is wonderful. life is wonderful" blablabla - it isn't - at least for me
[10:15] < esden> I was near to death my dear ... as clifford called me when we were on the glacier
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[10:16] < _NULL_> don't use a mobile, then
[10:16] < esden> asking if there are any problems with 2.4 kernel on the alpha
[10:19] < _NULL_> hrmpf. and /me can walk slowly over a crowded-with-cars street when the lights are red... and those fscking cars are stopping before they 're driving over my dumb :-(
[10:20] < esden> why over the street ...
[10:20] < esden> that is dumb ... you really should go in the hills ... then you will see what life is worth
[10:21] < esden> should we take you with us next time?
[10:21] < _NULL_> nah. why should i go in the hills? why should i do something? everything is senseless... and it's "wissenschaftlich bewiesen", that you're only interpreting stuff into everything...
[10:21] < _NULL_> nope. thx.
[10:22] < _NULL_> --> right (?) half of brain is able to speak and so... and the left half isn't - and the left half of the brain says "without any reason" - as the scientists found out
[10:22] < _NULL_> so... now you ;p
[10:23] < esden> and what makes sense in your mind?
[10:24] < esden> so what makes sense for you?
[10:25] < _NULL_> nothing...
[10:26] < esden> a really predictable answer ... could you once give an answer that is not so forseeable?
[10:26] < _NULL_> i can't - not to this question.
[10:29] < alanw> good morning folks
[10:29] < alanw> may I interrupt your philosophising
[10:30] < _NULL_> heh, you're working almost your whole life - what for? then, when you're old, you might able to get a rest - but just _might_ - and after some years of "enjoying the rest", you will die. life is over. dot.
[10:30] < _NULL_> hi alanw
[10:30] < alanw> I'm just doing an install of a svn checkout from yesterday
[10:30] < alanw> I don't yet have e-mail here from work, and I'm going straight off
[10:31] < alanw> this evening, so this is the best place to report on progress
[10:31] < alanw> I'm running into a few problems.
[10:32] < alanw> firstly, I've got a UK keyboard. The uk.map file is OK, but "loadkeys uk.map" fails with
[10:32] < alanw> "can't open qwerty-layout"
[10:32] < alanw> the directory /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/include/ is missing
[10:33] < alanw> secondly, I'm having difficulty with installing the packages.
[10:33] < alanw> the CD-ROM seems to be being mounted OK, but is being unmounted again before the install happens
[10:35] < alanw> another problem - if I run "stone -text", then go to "install the system",
[10:35] < _NULL_> esden, your turn. you're dev
[10:36] < alanw> then "package manager", it drops out of text mode and goes into the -dialog mode
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[10:46] < alanw> the problem with the cd-rom seems not to be that it is being unmounted,
[10:46] < alanw> but that it is being mounted on a temporary directory in /tmp, rather than
[10:47] < alanw> on /mnt/source
[10:47] < netrunner> alanw: you can tell that stone thing where to mount the cdrom iirc
[11:13] < daja77> esden: !
[11:13] < esden> alanw: that is normal that it drops out of the text mode ... because as far as I know gasgui (that is what comes after "install the system") is only in "dialog" mode
[11:14] < esden> hi daja77
[11:14] < daja77> hi esden & all
[11:14] < alanw> I was trying to keep it in text mode so I could turn on "-x" in bash
[11:14] < alanw> and trace what was mounting and unmounting the CD-ROM
[11:14] < esden> gasgui is one binary ... and not written in bash
[11:15] < daja77> ok cu later guys when I am at work
[11:15] < esden> cu daja77
[11:16] < alanw> yes - but I'm trying to debug mod_packages
[11:17] < esden> hmm ... I have to admit that I do not know the code of mod_packages by hard
[11:18] < esden> so I can not tell you how you can efficiently debug it
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[11:18] < esden> you could create a logfile for example ... that would help for sure
[11:22] < alanw> I see that gasgui does mounting and unmounting - that's probably what's causing
[11:23] < alanw> the problem - thanks for pointing it out
[11:23] < alanw> I couldn't track down the offending umount in any of the shell scripts
[11:23] < esden> but now you have it ;)
[11:29] < netrunner> hi esden
[11:40] < esden> hi netrunner
[11:40] < alanw> oops - all the stuff about mount/umount was a red herring.
[11:40] < alanw> the real problem is not being able to find a package, which somehow has
[11:40] < alanw> not got put onto the CD
[11:40] esden off for aldi, pharmacy and ingolstadt ;)
[11:59] < alanw> OK we're away now. Stone is installing all the packages :-)
[12:00] < netrunner> arg ... now my brother has write access to my mp3 storage he screws up my sorting algorithm by totally ignoring my sorting method :(
[12:01] < Ge0rG> netrunner: leave him limited to incoming/ ;)
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[12:02] < spectre_> moin
[12:02] < netrunner> Ge0rG: he was. I must have been stoned when I gave him complete write access :(
[12:03] < Ge0rG> hehe
[12:05] < NULL_> *lol* hi Ge0rG
[12:12] netrunner recursivly removing write access on /space now
[12:22] < NULL_> cool! my notebook is repaired ;)))))))) *jumping around*
[12:24] < alanw> We have success. Install of yesterday's svn checkout (rev 1236)
[12:25] < alanw> using my own LAMP server target has just installed sucessfully.
[12:26] < jsaw> alanw: where can I get ur target?
[12:29] < alanw> I could mail it to you if you wanted
[12:29] < jsaw> yep, see repo "jsaw" for email address
[12:32] < alanw> repo "jsaw"
[12:32] < alanw> sorry - I'm new to IRC. What's "repo"
[12:33] < alanw> I see that IRC has a send file facility - could I use that?
[12:33] < NULL_> https://www.ereboslinux.de.vu/misc/erebos_base.txt << someone please could have a look at it and tell me, if this would work, if i would start a build with the rock-scripts?
[12:33] < jsaw> nope, behind a NAT...
[12:34] netrunner wonders why his brother thinks a Desktop.ini should be placed into the mp3 dir ...
[12:36] < jsaw> NULL_: no idea. but looks complete.
[12:37] < NULL_> jsaw, kewl. thx ;)
[12:37] < netrunner> grmbl ... and why need files names with multiple dashes?
[12:38] < jsaw> NULL_: util-linux maybe?
[12:38] < alanw> (repo) - I understand now - e-mail on its way
[12:39] < jsaw> NULL_: ah no. It's just a build environment, then no.
[12:41] < NULL_> jsaw, build-environment? still just a build-environment with the minimalistic as possible packages... util-linux will not be inclueded in the "base-directory" but in the "system"-utils-dir --> base should be as small as possible ;)
[12:49] < jsaw> NULL_: so u can move modutils out also
[12:50] < jsaw> alanw: sorry, I was distracted, but u found out already, what I meant.
[12:50] < NULL_> jsaw, jep. ok. thx ;)
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[12:54] < jsaw> bbl
[12:58] < NULL_> bye jsaw
[13:00] < daja77> re
[13:00] < NULL_> hi daja77
[13:00] < daja77> hi owl
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[15:10] < daja77> rolla: ping
[15:12] netrunner jumping high and catching the ball
[15:12] netrunner giggles
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[15:16] < daja77> netrunner: everything ok?
[15:26] < netrunner> daja77: yeah, I'm fine, just had extensive lunch and need to do a bit sport :)
[15:27] < daja77> hehe eating a cow and then sports
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[15:33] < netrunner> wow, yesterday ordered a printer, today it is there, nice :)
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[15:53] < tcr> moin all
[15:53] < mnemoc> moin tcr
[15:54] < tcr> mnemoc: Any new and deeper understanding of tsa's and yours problem?
[15:55] < mnemoc> hook_add is called and hookdirty_postdoc initialized correctly as 1
[15:55] < tcr> Or is it still worth putting some effort on it later today
[15:55] < mnemoc> but misteriously that var get lost :(
[15:56] < mnemoc> may be memory overwriting
[15:56] < tcr> Well, with bashdb it'd be possible to set a watchpoint on a var
[15:56] < mnemoc> what version but i shou build bshdb with exactly the same version i have the problem
[15:57] < mnemoc> mmm... split
[15:57] < tcr> But anyway I haven't so far had any time getting familar with the code in question
[15:57] < mnemoc> what vesion does tsa uses?
[15:57] < mnemoc> but i ....
[15:57] < tcr> He hasn't answered yet
[15:57] < mnemoc> it's quite simple
[15:57] < tcr> ??? what are you talking about now?
[15:58] < mnemoc> split my sentece :)
[15:58] < mnemoc> what vesion does tsa uses?
[15:58] < mnemoc> but i shou build bshdb with exactly the same version i have the problem
[15:59] < mnemoc> the code in question is quite simple
[15:59] < tcr> Hmm... was your problem reproducible at all
[15:59] < tcr> ?
[15:59] < tcr> it seems to for tsa at least
[16:00] < tcr> s,to,so,
[16:01] daja77 goin home
[16:01] < daja77> cu
[16:02] < tcr> cu later daja77
[16:12] tcr bbl (gone to friend)
[16:16] < mnemoc> tcr: i got it every time i build gcc33 on that redhat
[16:16] < mnemoc> :(
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[17:03] < dennis> hi
[17:04] < mnemoc> hi
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[17:07] < dennis> hi mnemoc
[17:23] < dennis> rxr: ping
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[17:54] < rxr> pong dennis
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[18:05] < ringo> 1~
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[18:11] < inzider> hi2all
[18:11] < daja77> hi inzider
[18:12] < inzider> i recently downloaded my first rock-linux distro and tried to install it but,... ;)
[18:13] < inzider> i've booted my system and tried the 'server-installation
[18:13] < mnemoc> inzider: what exactly did u download?
[18:14] < inzider> hm...how can i look this up when the system is already running in ram?
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[18:16] < dennis> inzider: cat /etc/VERSION
[18:16] < inzider> ROCK Linux 2.0.0-beta6 (2003/06/25)
[18:16] < inzider> thx
[18:17] < inzider> i mounted my hd and started installing the system
[18:18] < owl> hi Nebukadnezea
[18:18] < inzider> at the end of the installation linux started to run in a loop (perfect english -he? *g*).....w/ the following periodic output:
[18:19] < inzider> cannot initialize curses
[18:19] < inzider> Error opening terminal: linux
[18:19] < inzider> ...
[18:19] < inzider> hi nebu
[18:19] < dennis> check your config from your boot manager
[18:19] < daja77> inzider: how much ram has your machine?
[18:19] < inzider> 64 mb
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[18:20] < daja77> which ramdisk you have chosen?
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[18:20] < inzider> the normal one - the little ramdisk had brought up some errors
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[18:20] < daja77> yeah you should try rc1 with small ramdisk
[18:21] < daja77> if you just have 64MB ram
[18:21] < daja77> the error is that mine has not enough mem to install ncurses package
[18:21] < inzider> hm...where can i get rc1?
[18:22] < daja77> from homepage
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[18:22] < th> hi
[18:22] < daja77> rc1 has been released some days ago
[18:22] < daja77> hi th
[18:22] < dennis> hi th
[18:23] < daja77> th: I have been twice in MD without meeting you, funny, isn't it
[18:24] < inzider> isn't it very unstable (rc1)?
[18:24] < th> daja77: ouhm
[18:24] < th> ;)
[18:25] < daja77> inzider: *gg* sure there are bugs, but not more than in _beta_ 6
[18:25] < inzider> hehe - k
[18:25] < daja77> + small ramdisk should work there
[18:25] < th> who can tell me why two versions of gcc are required to be downloaded for minimal target?
[18:26] < daja77> well let's put it like this, minimal needs some cleanup
[18:27] < inzider> hm...will it be enough to boot up with the new little ramdisc of rc1 and afterwards installing packages with beta6 ?
[18:27] < th> how minimal is generic?
[18:27] < th> in MB or iso count?
[18:27] < daja77> why?
[18:27] < daja77> generic 3 isos
[18:27] < th> ouhm
[18:28] < th> thats too much
[18:28] < daja77> for what?
[18:28] < daja77> minimal 1 iso
[18:28] < inzider> so i would only have to download one disc ;)
[18:28] < daja77> this will not work
[18:29] < inzider> 1 iso rc1 + packages (3 iso's of beta6 ) will not work?
[18:29] < daja77> no cos the package database is different
[18:30] < inzider> k - thx
[18:30] < inzider> great thx - hand!
[18:30] < inzider> bye
[18:30] < daja77> np
[18:30] < daja77> cu
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[18:30] < th> (for me)
[18:30] < th> well i could leave some packages from the cd
[18:30] < th> s/cd/cd-set/
[18:31] < th> daja77: i want to build 2.0.0 and get a result of about 600MB binary packages
[18:31] < daja77> svn head?
[18:31] < th> rc1 tag
[18:32] < daja77> hmm ok then select minimal target and check the package selection before the build
[18:32] < th> last time i considered package selection confusing
[18:32] < daja77> hmm give it a try
[18:32] < th> last time was -camp ;)
[18:33] < daja77> in head this is already different
[18:33] < th> tell me
[18:33] < daja77> there are package selection templates now
[18:33] < th> oh
[18:33] < daja77> haven't tried myself though, cos of working on rc1 isos, but maybe i try later
[18:34] < th> hmm
[18:34] < th> should i select packges by modifying target/minimal/config.in's sed string?
[18:34] < daja77> you could do that or by editing packages.txt in config
[18:35] < th> ok. put it yet another way:
[18:35] < th> can i select packages and implicitly select all dependencies?
[18:36] < daja77> guess no
[18:37] < tcr> re all
[18:37] < tcr> rxr: ping?
[18:37] < th> mompl
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[18:40] < rxr> pong
[18:40] < rxr> phoning
[18:41] < th> hi rxr
[18:41] < tcr> rxr: hi
[18:43] < tcr> rxr: I can't manipulate that content-type in my mailer (without doing some _really_ nasty hack), sorry. But I'll switch soon anyway. For the case that you find it more convenient to have the patches on a httpd, I loaded 'em up
[18:43] daja77 of for dinner
[18:43] < tcr> rxr: Also, what I forgot to tell you is that I created the patches agains -camp (but I'd wonder if they create any conflicts)
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[18:49] < tcr> rxr: Do you want the url to the patches or is it ok with the mails?
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[19:20] < rxr> re
[19:20] < rxr> nope per mail
[19:21] < rxr> i "only" need to press 4 key in XEmacs/Mew to overwrite this - and to just instant-display the content ...
[19:21] < snyke> a php-coder here?
[19:22] < rxr> hi th
[19:23] < snyke> hm.
[19:23] rxr away again
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[19:47] < mnemoc> wb n00kie_
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[19:57] < Mike1> hey all
[19:57] < dennis> hi Mike1
[19:57] < Mike1> anyone could help me with a curl question?
[19:58] < mnemoc> if you don't find the answer yourself means it's out of my scope ;)
[19:59] < Mike1> mnemoc: grrr
[19:59] < Mike1> i will shoot anyways maybe i am dump today
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[20:00] < Mike1> i want to download multiple files using curl, _but_ i want them to be downloaded into a different directory than the one where i am located, and to keep the file name, ie, bleblebli.foo
[20:01] < Mike1> mnemoc: ideas?
[20:02] < mnemoc> mmm
[20:03] < Mike1> mnemoc: this is more or less what i got:
[20:03] < Mike1> @for i in $(shell cat files/base.txt) ; do \
[20:03] < Mike1> curl -s -S -o file/ --data-binary $$i ; \
[20:03] < Mike1> done
[20:03] < Mike1> the only problem is that it still needs the file name after files/ ...
[20:05] < mnemoc> and file/$$i ?
[20:06] < mnemoc> forget that
[20:06] < Mike1> no because then it would call the file ftp://www.foo.org/bla/bli.foo
[20:06] < Mike1> not bli.foo ..
[20:07] < mnemoc> ask shell to ${i##*/}
[20:07] < mnemoc> and catch it in another var
[20:08] < Mike1> show me
[20:09] < mnemoc> something like j=$(shell echo ${i##*/})
[20:09] < owl> hi mnemoc , Mike1
[20:09] < Mike1> hi owlita
[20:09] < mnemoc> is it inside a Makefile?
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[20:09] < mnemoc> hi happyowl
[20:10] < Mike1> mnemoc: yes
[20:10] < mnemoc> let me test
[20:11] < Mike1> ok ..
[20:16] < mnemoc> all:
[20:16] < mnemoc> for i in $(shell find .. ) ; do \
[20:16] < mnemoc> echo $$i $${i##*/}; \
[20:16] < mnemoc> done
[20:16] < mnemoc> this works nice
[20:16] < Mike1> lets see
[20:17] < mnemoc> brb
[20:23] < Mike1> yes it worx now, thank you so much mnemoc
[20:26] < rxr> hi Mike1 mnemoc
[20:26] < Mike1> hi rxr
[20:31] < mnemoc> hi rxf
[20:34] < rxr> cu later
[20:34] < mnemoc> cu :|
[20:35] < Mike1> ;-|
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[21:20] < daja77> hi rolla
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[21:23] < tcr> re all
[21:25] < dennis> hi tcr
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[21:46] < daja77> rxr: svn 0.28.1 is one the way *vbeg*
[21:54] < tcr> hi daja77
[21:54] < daja77> hi tcr
[21:54] < daja77> dev discussion on #svn, hehe
[21:54] < tcr> who cares? ;)
[21:54] < daja77> me
[21:55] daja77 kicks tcr
[21:55] tcr strikes back
[21:55] < tcr> Ah, well you're lucky.. I'm setting up my system
[21:55] < daja77> haha the empire ;)
[21:55] mnemoc still prefering arch's idea :\
[21:56] daja77 not
[21:56] tcr gets more and more fellowers *g*
[21:56] < daja77> well rxr is stable tree maintainer ...
[21:57] < mnemoc> cvs is enought for 'stable tree', but in development we need branches or similar
[21:58] < tcr> daja77: It'd be dumb changing at this time
[21:58] < daja77> yepp
[21:59] < daja77> mnemoc: cvs sucks badly i don't wanna have it back
[21:59] < mnemoc> until now new version of svn's server force you to update clients... that's not good
[21:59] < mnemoc> nobody said 'havi it back'
[21:59] < tcr> daja77: he means "one central repository" with cvs
[22:00] tcr starts to like LVM
[22:00] < mnemoc> lvm+reiser?
[22:01] < tcr> No, using ext3
[22:01] < daja77> mnemoc: no if you checkout via http you don't have to update the clients
[22:01] < mnemoc> daja77: sadly that's not true :|
[22:02] daja77 can still checkout everything with svn 0.24.1
[22:03] < mnemoc> 0.21 vs 0.22 vs 0.23 vs 0.24
[22:03] < daja77> well rxr now runs at least 0.26 and i have no problems so for
[22:03] < daja77> far
[22:04] < mnemoc> since 0.24 they seem to have stabilized the protocol
[22:04] < daja77> yes, lucky me
[22:04] < mnemoc> :)
[22:05] < mnemoc> but i'm sure they will change something soon... they love to do that :|
[22:06] daja77 will update his rock boxes anyway
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[22:08] < tcr> Tssss
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[22:10] < netrunner> argl, forgot to disable stage 9 ... well, wait another day :/
[22:10] < mnemoc> just one day??!!! :'(
[22:10] < daja77> netrunner is spelled chaos ...
[22:11] < tcr> stage9 took just some hours here
[22:11] < daja77> huh?!
[22:11] < tcr> Heh, of course I did deselect _many_ things
[22:11] < tcr> like *kde* *gnome* *gtk* ;)
[22:12] < daja77> just screen and irssi then ...
[22:12] < netrunner> mnemoc: well, this build runs since 2003-08-27 11:26
[22:12] < mnemoc> target?
[22:12] < netrunner> generic
[22:13] < mnemoc> i started a generic two days ago and i'm at stage 3 :(
[22:13] < daja77> ahem what old hw is this running on?
[22:13] netrunner needed 28h for stage 5: 2003-08-27 15:05 -> 2003-08-29 19:59
[22:13] < daja77> whole generic needs 1.5 days without stage 9
[22:14] < mnemoc> daja77: i'm with *NEW* hardware... PII/350/256 =)
[22:14] < daja77> lol
[22:15] < tcr> Huh? Could you guys please take a look at the .desc of blender?
[22:15] < netrunner> ugh ... well ... half a year I also thought I'd use that old P120 for building rock ... after 3 weeks I got bored but was in stage 9
[22:15] < tcr> "The Open Source community brought the source-code and it is now developing blender under the term of the GPL."
[22:16] < daja77> tcr: yes that's true
[22:16] < tcr> That sentence seems to be enormously screwed
[22:16] < netrunner> tcr: s/brought/bought/ iirc
[22:16] < tcr> bought? Really? Not got?
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[22:17] < mnemoc> # hdparm -tT /dev/discs/disc[01]/disc
[22:17] < mnemoc> /dev/discs/disc0/disc:
[22:17] < mnemoc> Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 7.54 seconds = 16.98 MB/sec
[22:17] < mnemoc> Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 8.69 seconds = 7.36 MB/sec
[22:17] < mnemoc> /dev/discs/disc1/disc:
[22:17] < mnemoc> Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 7.24 seconds = 17.68 MB/sec
[22:17] < netrunner> brought is from bring ... bought is from buy. I thing they collected money to buy the source, no? or am I thinking of a different project maybe
[22:17] < mnemoc> Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 36.17 seconds = 1.77 MB/sec
[22:17] < mnemoc> what do u think about my drives?
[22:18] < tcr> netrunner: I know the difference between brought and bought ;) Just seems odd that they bought the source code, but if it's true ...
[22:18] < daja77> tcr: that code was bought, yes
[22:18] < netrunner> mnemoc: that command does not believe its results:
[22:18] < netrunner> /dev/md0:
[22:18] < netrunner> Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 2.59 seconds = 49.42 MB/sec
[22:18] < netrunner> Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 2.55 seconds = 25.10 MB/sec
[22:18] < netrunner> Hmm.. suspicious results: probably not enough free memory for a proper test.
[22:18] < tcr> Ok, then... there's still a big fat typo anyway ;)
[22:19] < netrunner> tcr: with bringing the source and continuing to develop it is nothing special :)
[22:20] < mnemoc> i vote for 'bought'
[22:20] < tcr> netrunner: Don't understand you, sorry
[22:20] < tcr> Are you confusing bringing with buying? Intentionally?
[22:21] < netrunner> tcr: no, you quoted "brought" ... and I said it's nothing special to continue developing the own source.
[22:21] < tcr> Ah ;)
[22:21] < mnemoc> "they bring it to you as GPL" vs. "they did buy it, now offering it a GPL"
[22:23] < netrunner> mnemoc: If I compare with my disc here, my Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.51 seconds =250.98 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 26.31 seconds = 2.43 MB/sec
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[22:24] < netrunner> mnemoc: the first value here is way higher than yours, but the second is times smaller ...
[22:24] < mnemoc> mmm... why? :(
[22:25] < mnemoc> i don't know much about that stuff
[22:26] < tcr> MB/sec-cache reads: ...
[22:26] < tcr> oups
[22:26] < netrunner> mnemoc: what hd do you have there? the last results I quoted are from a 40G ibm IC35L060AVV207
[22:26] < tcr> suffering from xchat bug
[22:26] < tcr> restart
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[22:28] netrunner -> tv
[22:28] < tcr> netrunner: what watching?
[22:28] < mnemoc> Maxtor 90845D4, QUANTUM FIREBALL_TM1280A
[22:29] < mnemoc> 8G, 1G
[22:29] < tcr> btw. I'm having 272.34 MB/sec for buffer-cache reads and 29.09 MB/sec for buffered disk reads
[22:30] < mnemoc> can u explain me buffer-cache vs. buffered?
[22:31] < tcr> mnemoc: read the manpage (-T and -t option)
[22:31] < mnemoc> :(
[22:32] < tcr> what makes you sad?
[22:32] < mnemoc> :)
[22:32] < mnemoc> nothing....
[22:33] < mnemoc> nice manpage ;)
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[22:34] < adur> hi
[22:35] < tcr> hello adur
[22:35] < tcr> A-Dur as used in music?
[22:37] < adur> yes
[22:38] < adur> i do a lot of music ... so i named myself adur
[22:38] < dennis> ;-)
[22:50] daja77 advocated for rock on local university chan
[22:51] < daja77> ...and I will do a speech about rock before them
[22:51] < tcr> Oh no! Not more of you!
[22:51] < daja77> you are shocked?
[22:52] < tcr> Hey, I fought against owl and stays more or less sane! Nothing can ever shock me again ;)
[22:52] < tcr> s,stays,stayed,
[22:52] < daja77> hehehe
[22:52] < daja77> so why complaining, you haven't anything from my advocacy
[22:52] < mnemoc> r u at the same university?
[22:53] < tcr> No, daja77 is an Ossi
[22:53] daja77 slaps tcr
[22:53] < tcr> *g*
[22:53] < daja77> mnemoc: tcr is at no university
[22:53] < tcr> Damn you
[22:54] < daja77> :)
[22:54] < tcr> Let's change the topic ;) ... What are you going to tell 'em, daja77?
[22:55] < netrunner> tcr: I spy
[22:55] < daja77> i will tell all those debian freaks why deb is so lame
[22:55] < daja77> and how they get on the road to rock
[22:55] < tcr> daja77: "You shalt not lie"
[22:56] < daja77> huh, I don't
[22:56] < tcr> debian isn't at all bad
[22:56] < daja77> i said lame not bad
[22:57] < tcr> So you're reffering to its speed? Of course, you did all the time! ;)
[22:58] < owl> aeh... can't you build a optimized debian, too?
[22:58] < Mike1> re
[22:58] < owl> wb Miguel
[22:58] < tcr> its development speed is certainly pretty lame ;) But rock ain't optimal on that issue anyway
[22:58] < netrunner> what are always these Assembler messages like {standard input}:1117: Error: value of -137 too large for field of 1 bytes at 3206
[22:58] < tcr> hi Mike
[23:00] < mnemoc> buenas tardes don Miguel del Santisimo Socorro
[23:00] < daja77> zorro
[23:00] < tcr> netrunner: -137 doesn't fit into one byte
[23:00] < daja77> :)
[23:00] < Mike1> diay del Santisimo socrorro!!!
[23:00] < Mike1> :P
[23:00] < tcr> socorro == soccers?
[23:01] < Mike1> tcr: not really
[23:01] daja77 should have chosen spanish ...
[23:02] < mnemoc> what did you choose? french?
[23:02] < Mike1> daja77: yes you should have...
[23:02] < tcr> Me did
[23:02] < tcr> @ mnemoc
[23:02] < daja77> mnemoc: yes that too
[23:02] < tcr> I chose french instead of spanish
[23:02] < netrunner> tcr: I know. but since this is not the first time I see that error it is most probable that they come from a common source .. and I hoped that it would be known to one of you
[23:02] < tcr> netrunner: Where/when do you see those messages?
[23:03] netrunner likes french ... but not as a language.
[23:03] < netrunner> tcr: 5-xine.err
[23:03] < tcr> Heh
[23:03] < daja77> Mike1: but i couldn't have talked to the hot french babes then
[23:03] < daja77> netrunner: ahem you know nothing :P
[23:03] < mnemoc> french is good for girls, not for men :)
[23:03] < tcr> netrunner: Could load it put anywhere? I'll take a look later
[23:04] < Mike1> daja77: you will have to see girls from Chile and Costa Rica, to see what you are missing for nbot speaking spanish
[23:04] < daja77> show me!
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[23:04] < Mike1> mnemoc: shall we let daja77 what he misses ?
[23:04] < tsa> hi all.
[23:04] < daja77> hi tsa
[23:04] < dennis> hi tsa
[23:05] < Mike1> daja77: you could ask tsa he have been around the area, so he can for sure give you an honest opinion
[23:05] < Mike1> hola tsa btw
[23:05] < daja77> Mike1: show tsa and me some chicks, please
[23:05] < netrunner> Mike1: when I look at those girls I do not want to talk much to them :)
[23:05] < Mike1> netrunner: good point. :)
[23:05] < mnemoc> :)
[23:06] < Mike1> daja77: i will show you pics someday i promisse :)
[23:06] < Mike1> daja77: but there is nothing like the real thing
[23:06] < netrunner> tcr: I can. But I would do so anyway when the build is complete. want it now or 24 h later?
[23:06] < daja77> netrunner: hehe following that guideline: better keeping your mouth shut and look stupid, than open it and remove all doubts
[23:06] < Mike1> mnemoc: could you save some money so you can go with me to 20c3?
[23:07] < daja77> that would rock!
[23:07] < Mike1> daja77: also you can save soem cash so you come visit us next summer...
[23:07] < mnemoc> Mike1: i can't save money for the moment :(
[23:07] < daja77> Mike1: i'll try
[23:08] < tcr> tsa: It's tragedy that the several proposals of checking for bash 2.05b haven't ever gone through. Otherwise you wouldn't have had to suffer from that build failure of gcc
[23:08] < Mike1> mnemoc: perhaps you could try hacking a bank?
[23:08] < Mike1> *vbeg*
[23:08] < mnemoc> i'm a good boy :(
[23:08] < Mike1> mnemoc: it would be for a good cause.
[23:09] < tcr> netrunner: Hmm, do it now
[23:09] < daja77> yeah getting drunk with us at berlin
[23:09] < mnemoc> i have to pay the birth of my second child :\
[23:09] < tsa> tcr: wel....as it seems, no one has ever generated a list of what actually is needed to compile rock.
[23:09] < tcr> mnemoc: Man, use condoms!
[23:09] < Mike1> mnemoc: 0_o
[23:09] < daja77> tcr: shut up
[23:09] < Mike1> mnemoc: how come you didn't gave us the news?
[23:09] < mnemoc> with that money i could pay 2 trips to .de
[23:09] < daja77> mnemoc: already here
[23:09] < daja77> ?
[23:09] < mnemoc> ?
[23:09] < tsa> if compiling fails on rock, i wonder how it should ever compile on other distros..
[23:10] < daja77> i mean is it already born
[23:10] < Mike1> it..
[23:10] < Mike1> daja77: be polite
[23:10] < tcr> tsa: Yeah.
[23:10] < daja77> Mike1: i don't know atm
[23:10] < mnemoc> i said in april i will be father again :)
[23:10] < daja77> congratz
[23:10] < daja77> s/it/he\/she/
[23:10] < Mike1> tsa: you would be suprissed on how good rock builds on debian..
[23:11] < mnemoc> daja77: thanks... don't know yet... in one week i can try to 'see'
[23:11] < Mike1> mnemoc: congratz
[23:11] < netrunner> tcr: https://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/rocklinux/err/server-2.0.0-rc2-x86-k6-2-32-generic-expert/
[23:12] < mnemoc> thanks again Mike ;)
[23:12] < Mike1> :)
[23:12] < daja77> netrunner: ahem k6, could be optimzation errors?
[23:12] < mnemoc> tcr: i don't like condoms :)
[23:13] < netrunner> daja77: I would be delighted if you would enlighten me how to recognize those :)
[23:13] < daja77> netrunner: hehe no way, say sth like pentium-mmx and try again
[23:14] < daja77> sorry had strange behaviour with pentium3 optimization on p4
[23:15] < netrunner> daja77: hm ... so compiling that specific package on a k6 would help? so I'll build them after install and see.
[23:16] < daja77> could be better yes
[23:16] < tcr> netrunner: Do you still have the src.xine* dir?
[23:16] < netrunner> tcr: positive
[23:16] < daja77> you can somtimes guess sth like that when the build is showing real absurd behaviour
[23:17] < daja77> only real cross build will make that right i guess
[23:17] < tcr> netrunner: So change in it and repeat the last command, but pass -S to the compiler (don't frget debug.sh!)
[23:18] < netrunner> tcr: shall I run that debug.sh before repeating the last command or put it to the beginning of my commandline
[23:18] < tcr> you should run it before, it does rebuild the environment
[23:18] < tcr> s,does,will,
[23:19] < netrunner> ah. and it fails btw :/
[23:20] < tcr> Hm?
[23:20] < netrunner> hrmpf, why doesn't it mount the R.build before chrooting? has that ever worked for anybody?
[23:21] < tcr> Can't remember. Might be true... I know I just sourced some *env* script lately
[23:22] < tcr> mnemoc: still here?
[23:24] < mnemoc> yep, but short
[23:24] < tcr> mnemoc: in the description of your lzo package, there's some lonely 'i' at the end of some sentence
[23:25] < mnemoc> o_O
[23:25] < mnemoc> vi
[23:25] < tcr> Heh ;)
[23:25] < netrunner> hm ... I had to sh R_mount.sh ... but the R.src dir only contains the ERROR-LOG and the install-wrapper.
[23:25] < mnemoc> fixed here...
[23:26] < mnemoc> thanks
[23:27] < mnemoc> bbl
[23:27] < netrunner> hm ... I'll reschedule it and see.
[23:27] < tcr> netrunner: No idea. You should consult rxr..
[23:28] < netrunner> tcr: I'll write a mail to the list. I wonder because I have seen this error more often, so that is some specific error I guess.
[23:29] < netrunner> tcr: thx so far :) let's fight on the rlml ;)
[23:45] < netrunner> n8
[23:45] < tcr> gn8
[23:57] < daja77> svn 0.28.2, hehe
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