-!- Irrsi  Log opened Sat Aug 30 00:00:55 2003
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[00:05] < daja77> ok /me off now
[00:05] < daja77> cu
[00:05] < dennis> bye daja77
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[00:08] < rxr> re
[00:08] < dennis> wb rxr
[00:11] < th> hi rxr
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[00:26] < rxr> hi th
[00:27] < rxr> dennis: I prefer to move zsh to misc
[00:27] < rxr> for the future only people with more then say three packages might get a repository - all this moving arround of packages is too annoying ...
[00:28] < dennis> rxr: i'm on my way to fix openbox from owl repo, so after that there are 3 ;-)
[00:28] < rxr> ah - ok, I see
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[00:44] < rammi> hi rockers
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[01:10] < tcr> rxr: here?
[01:11] < rxr> yes
[01:11] < rxr> reading your patches ...
[01:12] < tcr> rxr: a) you made a small typo to the messages that are printed out when no recent bash is there
[01:12] < tcr> echo "You nee to update 'bash' to at least version 2.05b."
[01:12] < tcr> need should that be
[01:12] < tcr> (before you commit a change, wait for b))
[01:13] < tcr> oh, wait I have to check something
[01:13] < rxr> erhm - oh - already committed ...
[01:15] < tcr> rxr: ok there's no b) anyway... bash behaves smarter than I've expected
[01:15] < rxr> what did you checked ?
[01:17] < tcr> I thought bash would complain when using a non-set var in a case block
[01:17] < tcr> but it doesn't
[01:27] < rxr> why did you do:
[01:27] < rxr> v1_binary-file-if-pkg-fails_Build-Target.diff
[01:27] < rxr> v2_binary-file-if-pkg-fails_Build-Target.diff
[01:27] < rxr> ?
[01:29] < tcr> I explained it in the mail
[01:30] < rxr> why is it "doomed" ?
[01:31] < tcr> Because it's highly likely that at any time there'll be added some additional things, things which should be performed after the creation of binary files
[01:32] < tcr> and with v2_ those things will be skipped
[01:32] < rxr> I mean why is creating an emtpy tar.bz2 / .gem files doomed ?
[01:33] < rxr> I extra enabled this half a year ago because in your current gas_gui we have a database for all packages - and so try to install the ones we have not .gem/tarbz2 for ...
[01:34] < rxr> you would need to adapt the cd-database creation and gas_gui - which half a year ago I did not wanted to do becuae I thought a final 2.0.0 was in front of the door - but nowadays I would postpone this for 2.0.1 or 2.0.2 ...
[01:34] < rxr> maybe a flyspay entry for this might be better than doing this now ...
[01:36] < tcr> rxr: query?
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[03:01] < rxr> mnemoc: jsaw: nobody here tonight ?
[03:05] < mnemoc> me :)
[03:06]   SMP should still be asleep
[03:09] < mnemoc> opinion: rh7.1, kernel with devfs+automount and devfsd... can i need something else? i the box doesn't 'come back' i'll have to wait until tuesday :(
[03:09] < mnemoc> can i need to modify same file?
[03:10] < SMP> 'automount' meaning you mount devfs on /dev ?
[03:10] < mnemoc> yep
[03:10] < SMP> hum, why that?
[03:11] < mnemoc> badly applyed...
[03:11] < mnemoc> devfs mounted as /dev by kernel
[03:11] < SMP> will probably just cause troubles. use devfs=nomount
[03:11] < mnemoc> yeS?
[03:11] < mnemoc> nomount?
[03:12] < mnemoc> so i'll have old style /dev at boot time
[03:12] < SMP> the rock scripts don't need it on /dev
[03:12] < mnemoc> rh7.1 :)
[03:12] < mnemoc> you said, add it to fstab?
[03:12] < SMP> oh, you want to _run_ that rh7.1 with devfs?
[03:13] < mnemoc> far-remote-rh71
[03:13] < mnemoc> reboot it and magicly have devfs
[03:13] < SMP> why the hell do you want to do that ...
[03:13] < mnemoc> to build a rock on that redhat
[03:13] < rxr> ah hi
[03:13] < mnemoc> hi rxr
[03:13] < SMP> mnemoc: arrrgh
[03:14] < mnemoc> i need devfs to enter stage2
[03:14] < SMP> mnemoc: listen to me - you don't need a devfs /dev to to that
[03:14] < mnemoc> i now that part
[03:14] < SMP> it's sufficient for the kernel to support devfs so the scripts can mount it (on the chroot /dev)
[03:14] < mnemoc> BUT... will old-style nodes at /dev work with a devfs kernel?
[03:15] < rxr> yes it should
[03:15] < SMP> I've used mknod'ed devices with a devfs kernel, yes
[03:15]   mnemoc scared :(
[03:16] < SMP> it will work better than throwing devfs directly at the rh7.1
[03:17] < rxr> mnemoc: why scared
[03:18] < mnemoc> do u swear the machine will come back?
[03:18] < rxr> the devfs entries are also nearly normal device-nodes ...
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[03:21] < mnemoc> so, no reason to be scared... devfs=nomount AND no devfsd
[03:22]   mnemoc scared
[03:23] < mnemoc> that server is 'very important' for that client :|
[03:23] < SMP> well then you shouldn't be doing Rock builds on it :>
[03:24] < mnemoc> where i can, i don't have enough space for trying a generic :)
[03:30] < mnemoc> CPU states:  0.1% user,  0.5% system,  0.0% nice, 99.2% idle
[03:30] < mnemoc> it's idle enought to build rocks :)
[03:31] < mnemoc> but it have to be up
[03:33] < dreamind> nite ;)
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[04:02] < mnemoc> damn... the box answers ping, but not ssh :(
[04:04] < mnemoc> i'm doomed :(
[04:16] < rxr> oO
[04:17]   SMP starting a r1255 build with Python 2.3 and tsa's latest updates on Linux 2.6
[04:17] < rxr> I would never reboot a server with such modifications remotely ..
[04:17] < rxr> SMP: on the laptop ?
[04:17] < SMP> yes
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[04:43] < _spectre_> gn8
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[04:58] < mnemoc> cool i got someone to reboot it and start non-devfs kernel ;)
[05:57] < rxr> n8
[06:04] < mnemoc> n8
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[08:54] < Demian> hi
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[11:33] < owl> moin
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[11:43] < v1r422> hi
[11:44] < owl> hi v1r422
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[11:48] < dennis> moin
[11:50] < owl> hi dennis
[11:51] < dennis> hi owl
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[12:02] < daja77> d'oh ringo off again
[12:11] < owl> hi daja77
[12:11] < daja77> hi owl
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[12:33] < comrad> hossa ppl
[12:33] < daja77> ahem hossa comrad
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[12:54] < owl> *lol*
[12:59] < rxr> re
[13:00] < comrad> hase
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[13:11]   praenti here for a minute
[13:12] < praenti> rxr: the problem with sendmail or postfix are easily solved with renaming the man pages. but i dont wanted to send a patch, because this are key-pkg and i'm not the maintainer
[13:13] < praenti> and at the moment i'm running a little bit out of time. tomorrow i will have more
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[13:16] < praenti> shit.
[13:17] < praenti> looks like i have a little bit more time today
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[14:46] < rxr> this is a bad joke:
[14:46] < rxr> Gentoo Goes BSD
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[14:51] < tcr> moin all
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[15:00] < _spectre_> moin
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[15:01] < rxr> moi _spectre_
[15:09] < _spectre_> moin _rxr_
[15:09] < _spectre_> seid Ihr auch alles gute Studenten, oder wieso habt Ihr meinen Schlafrhytmus ?
[15:10] < Ge0rG> guten morgen
[15:10] < Ge0rG> :)
[15:10] < rxr> _spectre_: teil - aber ich bin schon länger wach
[15:10] < rxr> +s
[15:12] < _spectre_> gibt Euch wenigstens irgendwer Kohle für das linuxhaxx0rn oder macht Ihr das nur Freizeitmässig ?
[15:13] < tcr> Wir machen das als Teil unserer Selbstentfaltung *bg*
[15:14] < _spectre_> übrigends sehr nett, dass ghostscript jetzt auch auf der 2er funzt, nachdem ich die "extra paranoia checks weggelassen habe", da muss ich nicht mehr neustarten zum Protokoll tippern :-)
[15:14] < _spectre_> tcr: gut so, macht ja auch Spass :-)
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[15:18] < _spectre_> Ich hock hier im Studentenwohnheim btw und mittlerweile gibts hier immerhin 3 rocklinux user
[15:19] < rxr> ;-)
[15:19] < _spectre_> einer versucht grad auf debian zu wechseln, aber Ihm stürzt X öfter mal ab beim zurückwechseln zwischen Konsole und X
[15:20] < rxr> von ROCK auf Debian ?
[15:20] < _spectre_> ja
[15:20] < _spectre_> *nichtversteh*
[15:20] < rxr> warum?
[15:20] < _spectre_> weiss ich auch nicht so genau
[15:21] < SMP> rxr: do we want to go to Python 2.3 if it does not cause any regressions?
[15:21] < _spectre_> ich muss sagen, durch rocklinux hab ich wenigstens ein Stück weit kapiert wie linux funktioniert und man kann dran rumbauen ohne ende und's läuft immernoch =)
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[15:22] < rxr> SMP: if it does not casue any, yes.
[15:22] < _spectre_> hab mit SuSe und RH angefangen und habe mich da oft geärgert endlose, scheinbar unlösbare Packetabhängigkeiten zu haben
[15:23] < tcr> _spectre_: Write a Happy User entry
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[15:23] < _spectre_> tcr: I already wrote one
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[15:24] < tcr> Ok then
[15:24] < SMP> rxr: there's one thing I haven't fixed yet (and that is not worth getting fixed by me) - the paragui python bindings do not detect Python 2.3 (needs some easy hacking in an ugly configure script). so either we go to Python 2.3 or wait half a year until paragui developers care to fix their stupid configure
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[15:25] < rxr> this package is not important ...
[15:26] < SMP> and it's only the python bindings, the rest is unaffected
[15:27] < tcr> rxr: in package/base/sysfiles/etc_fstab.txt, why does /dev/root have a 1  1?
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[15:27] < tcr> I think it should be 0 1
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[15:37] < tcr> rxr: ?
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[15:48]   rxr busy debugging ...
[15:49] < SMP> woh, mined-2000.8 rockseven more
[15:49]   SMP bumps version
[15:49] < tcr> ?
[15:50] < SMP> ./scripts/Build-Pkg mined # try it ;)
[15:50] < rxr> tcr: the file generated by stoen has 0 0
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[15:52] < tcr> rxr: I know that. But that shouldn't be an excuse now, should it?
[15:53] < rxr> why do you care about the fifth field ?
[15:54] < tcr> SMP: Maybe later, I'm trying to get a root partition (that's inside a logical volumne) working, besides... I'm watching DS9
[15:54] < SMP> which TV station?
[15:55] < tcr> sat1, in ~5mins
[15:56] < SMP> tcr: you need an initrd and you need it to run lvchange -ay, but you knew that, didn't you? ;)
[15:57] < tcr> rxr: not sure, I just read man fstab about the fifth column... and it doesn't sound we/I want it
[15:58] < tcr> SMP: lvmcreate_initrd is a very practical script
[16:00] < daja77> rxr: Gentoo goes BSD, huh?
[16:01] < rxr> www.osnews.com ... :-(
[16:02] < daja77> rotfl
[16:02] < daja77> first step: install openbsd *roflmao*
[16:03] < daja77> why importing portage shit, when you already have ports on bsd *shakehead*
[16:03] < daja77> rxr: you can relax this is just an instruction set for jerks
[16:05] < daja77> the first article is scaring me more: lindows - a real linux desktop alternative *shudder*
[16:07] < tcr> SMP: still around?
[16:09] < SMP> sure
[16:10] < tcr> SMP: do I still need the append="root=..." line in lilo.conf?
[16:11] < rxr> how should there kernel know otherwise what to use as root ???
[16:12] < tcr> Not sure, maybe some initrd magic. lvmcreate_initrd has a --devfs option
[16:13] < SMP> no idea. never used root on LVM or lvmcreate_initrd
[16:13] < tcr> Ok
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[16:20] < tcr> Heh, Commander Worf on DS9
[16:21] < daja77> hehe yeah
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[16:40] < rxr> damn gtk/gnome crap
[16:41] < n00kie> rxr fighting with Gnome/GTK? (-;
[16:46] < rxr> yes
[16:47] < n00kie> Good luck.
[16:47] < n00kie> :)
[16:47] < SMP> what's the issue`
[16:49] < rxr> SMP: do you talk to me ?
[16:50] < SMP> yes
[16:50] < rxr> still the font corruption ...
[16:50] < SMP> oh. yeah
[17:02] < SMP> hmm, can reproduce in vnc
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[17:45] < netrunner> rxr: you only have 0 build errors without paranoia, no?
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[18:03] < martin> hello all
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[18:12] < owl> remoin
[18:19] < dennis> lo owl
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[18:24] < tcr> rxr, jsaw_: ping
[18:25] < tcr> hi martin, owl, dennis, irchive_5
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[18:35] < martin> hi tcr
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[18:50] < tcr> brb
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[19:06] < rxr> pong
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[19:16] < rxr> this damn XFree crap
[19:17] < rxr> we urgently need to rewrite this damn collection of broken code ...
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[20:38] < tcr> rxr: oh, you fixed the bug?
[20:51] < rxr> nope - I just did other stuff
[20:51] < rxr> right
[20:51] < tcr> Hmm, I've plugged a mouse into com2, what's the /dev path to it, /dev/input/mice or /dev/tts/1?
[20:51] < rxr> I currently want to retest with updated gtk fluff
[20:51] < rxr> tts/1
[20:51] < tcr> oks
[20:51] < rxr> serial and ps2 mices only show up in input when you use 2.6 ...
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[22:33] < rxr> oh my are sf.net cvs checkouts slow (at leat now)
[22:33] < Ge0rG> they are always - unless they don't work at all
[22:34] < rxr> jups - and I'm currently filling support request to delete my only two projects there ... ;-) now
[22:51] < snyke> any MySQL Expert in here?
[22:54] < rxr> snyke: not me ...
[22:55] < rxr> well the few files are still checking out.
[22:55] < snyke> I just need somebody who can create ma query
[22:55] < snyke> with a JOIN
[22:57] < jsaw_> re
[22:57] < jsaw_> hi all
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[23:08] < rxr> hi jsaw
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[23:08] < jsaw> hi rxr
[23:09] < jsaw> what was wrong with the fontconfig finally?
[23:10] < rxr> it does not install the pkgconfig .pc file ...
[23:10] < jsaw> ...
[23:10] < rxr> if there is more - I do not know yet - sill investigating the problem reported on the list ...
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[23:15] < snyke> _now_ any mysql expert here?
[23:16] < jsaw> sorry snike. I guess google and the manual were not helpful..?
[23:17] < jsaw> s/i/y/ (and that me... with a ski at the end of my last name... where everybody writes sky...)
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[23:30] < Joss193> jou, does someone know how wine installes apps will appear in kmenu?
[23:30] < Joss193> installed
[23:42] < netrunne1> Joss193: if you put them there :)  (ok, I dunno if there is a facility for that ;)
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[23:47] < rxr> hi netrunner
[23:47] < rxr> damn is this sf.net slow ...
[23:47] < daja77> re
[23:47] < rxr> unbelievable
[23:48] < n00kie_> klitschko won in first round with ko
[23:51] < daja77> n00kie_: how boring ;-)
[23:53] < Mike1> waste of money
[23:53] < Mike1> moin.
[23:53] < daja77> hehe moin Mike1
[23:53] < n00kie_> Hi Mike1 :)
[23:53] < n00kie> err
[23:53] < n00kie> I'm 2 times here?
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[23:53] < daja77> lol
[23:54] < daja77> n00kie fogot to say hola
[23:54] < Mike1> OMG n00kie is clonning himself
[23:54] < daja77> forgot
[23:54] < daja77> oh no
[23:54] < n00kie> :)
[23:54] < Mike1> daja77: just like that guy from matrix..
[23:54]   Mike1 runs
[23:54] < daja77> the austrian way of gaining population ...
[23:55] < Mike1> hehe
[23:55] < n00kie> You mean
[23:55] < n00kie> "Agent n00kie"?
[23:55] < daja77> hehe
[23:55] < Mike1> yes the Freaky Angent n00kie
[23:56] < n00kie> ;)
[23:56] < daja77> Mike1: don't call Freak now
[23:56]   Mike1 invokes Freak
[23:56] < Mike1> *ggg*
[23:57] < Mike1> how are things doing Daniels ? :)
-!- Irrsi  Log closed Sun Aug 31 00:00:13 2003