-!- Irrsi  Log opened Sun Aug 31 00:00:13 2003
[00:00] < n00kie> Fine, thanks :)
[00:01] < daja77> Mike1: fine, lazy day, today
[00:05] < Mike1> daja77: actually, you are lazy everyday...
[00:05] < daja77> oh thx
[00:05] < daja77> :P
[00:05] < Mike1> you are very welcome
[00:05] < Mike1> :P
[00:05]   daja77 kicks Mike1
[00:05] < Mike1> huh?!
[00:05] < Mike1> what did i do?
[00:05]   Mike1 slaps daja77
[00:05] < daja77> doesn't matter, had to do it
[00:06] < Mike1> kick n00kie, he like it
[00:06]   daja77 deflects the slap and kicks again
[00:06]   daja77 kicks n00kie
[00:06]   Mike1 uses n00kieas shield
[00:07]   daja77 pokes Mike1 with a stick
[00:07] < Mike1> ok so rms have just left to the airport..
[00:07] < daja77> hm?
[00:07]   netrunner smells the air of war and sneaks near
[00:07] < Mike1> rms was here...
[00:07] < daja77> in cr
[00:08] < Mike1> cr.. mike's ...
[00:08] < netrunner> oh, already ended ... then n8 * :)
[00:08]   daja77 throws n00kie in netrunner's direction
[00:08] < daja77> Mike1: cool
[00:08] < daja77> he visited you?
[00:08]   Mike1 grabs his water pistol and shoots netrunner
[00:08] < Mike1> daja77: yeah
[00:08] < Mike1> daja77: airport is 2 mins away
[00:08]   netrunner matrixdodges the waterbullets
[00:09] < daja77> have you violated the gpl?
[00:09]   netrunner throws his alarm-clock-that-rings-on-sunday-at-8am onto Mike1
[00:09] < n00kie> :(
[00:09] < n00kie> Everyone is hurting me
[00:09] < n00kie> and using me for bad things
[00:09] < Mike1> netrunner: sorry but the n00kie hit ya
[00:09] < n00kie> :)
[00:09] < n00kie> lol
[00:10] < Mike1> daja77: no :)
[00:10] < daja77> what did he do at yours?
[00:11]   Mike1 has started a plan to try to make the legislation of CR, force the gov institutions to use free software...
[00:11] < daja77> does this involve explosives?
[00:11] < Mike1> you know, make a law to kick m$ ass out of the gov..
[00:12] < Mike1> daja77: explosives, maybe, wanna help?
[00:12] < daja77> sure
[00:12]   netrunner needs to update spamassasin rules ... the false negative has fallen rapidly. *deletingpenisenlargementpills*
[00:12] < daja77> n00kie could carry the bomb
[00:13] < daja77> netrunner: you should eat the pills, not delete the,
[00:13] < daja77> them
[00:13] < Mike1> daja77: n00kie wouldn't exactly carry it.. he _would_ be _the_ bomb
[00:13] < daja77> ahem yeah
[00:13] < Mike1> daja77: you could also donate your car to the cause...
[00:13] < netrunner> daja77: according to my gf I don't need any, you want those?
[00:14] < daja77> hehe tactical nuklear transporter
[00:14] < daja77> netrunner: why have you ordered them
[00:14] < Mike1> pills are for the birds... all you need is jolt.
[00:14] < daja77> maybe you should have asked her before
[00:15] < netrunner> Mike1: I'd love to see a bird flying by after consuming those pills :)
[00:15] < daja77> .oO netrunner wants to love birds ...
[00:15] < netrunner> daja77: found them in my mbox
[00:15] < Mike1> netrunner: hehehe, if it is just like i imagine it.. damn i wanna see that too :)
[00:15] < daja77> you lucky one
[00:16] < netrunner> daja77: I could forward em to you if you'd like
[00:16] < Mike1> daja77: sure those are not regular pills, those are love pills..
[00:16] < daja77> ahem no thx
[00:17] < netrunner> still running generic build: 1800 builds total, 1406 completed fine, 49 with errors
[00:17] < daja77> *shock*
[00:17] < daja77> oh you rin stage 9 ...
[00:17] < netrunner> yes
[00:17] < daja77> run
[00:17] < netrunner> with paranoia turned on.
[00:18] < daja77> hmm always turn it on
[00:18] < Mike1> ok back to code.
[00:18] < rxr> hi 1804 builds total, 1400 completed fine, 30 with errors.
[00:18] < Mike1> grr
[00:18] < Mike1> hi rxr
[00:18] < rxr> hi Mike1
[00:19] < netrunner> rxr: I have quite a few with {standard input}:795: Error: value of -129 too large for field of 1 bytes at 2292
[00:19] < netrunner> rxr: you know where that could come from? (building generic for k6/2)
[00:20] < rxr> nope - never saw this ...
[00:20] < daja77> rxr: btw found easy possibility to download the patches ;)
[00:20] < netrunner> rxr: could that be optimization issue of gcc?
[00:21] < rxr> hm - what packages are this?
[00:21]   daja77 thinks so
[00:21] < netrunner> rxr: xine, lame, maybe more
[00:22] < rxr> both build fine here - on x86 (generic or pentium-mmx) and PowerPC (powerpc+750)
[00:22] < rxr> so yes - this might be some gcc is confused problem
[00:23] < rxr> could you seperate out some tiny test fragment to reproduce the bug ?
[00:24] < netrunner> rxr: gimp* is also affected
[00:25] < netrunner> rxr: I'll have to rebuild it manually, since my R.src is empty. I'll try to do this tomorrow evening.
[00:28] < rxr> ok
[00:29] < jsaw> netrunner, rxr: is libcss building?
[00:30] < rxr> jsaw: yes
[00:30] < jsaw> (strange error with gcc33..., that's why I'm asking.)
[00:31] < rxr> jsaw: could you start to send patches? It makes more sense to get them slowly - instead of one big merge session where half of the tree is defect after it ...
[00:31] < netrunner> jsaw: yes.
[00:32] < jsaw> rxr: you have some, and I'm on it, rechecking. (double rechecking actually, because I already found an error with one of the patches I send: it will not work with a non-gnu compiler...)
[00:33] < netrunner> what is CFLAGS, something in the compiler parameter list?
[00:34] < jsaw> netrunner: $(CC) $(CFLAGS) ....
[00:34] < jsaw> most automatic builds use this variable to pass c-compiler options
[00:34] < jsaw> like optimization "-O2"
[00:35] < netrunner> I found some guy having the same error message, he was replied with "Please remove your nonstandard CFLAGS and try again" where he replied "Yes, that was the problem. Thank you :-)"
[00:35] < netrunner> he was building something else but the message looks similar
[00:35] < jsaw> that's a workaround, not a solution.
[00:36] < netrunner> so cflags are (also) from INSERT = '-O2 -pipe -march=k6-2'
[00:36] < jsaw> yes
[00:37] < netrunner> ah. thx. I'll continue this tomorrow since I have to get up 'early' (8am) to bake some cake and have breakfast with friends.
[00:37] < netrunner> n8 *
[00:37] < rxr> n8 netrunner
[00:47] < rxr> can anyone propose good mailing-list software? (for use on my sites ...)
[00:49] < daja77> a fellow student was excited by the new mailman
[00:50] < jsaw> new?
[00:50] < jsaw> u mean the last version?
[00:50] < daja77> yes
[00:51] < daja77> i mean he told me about a new version and that he likes it very much
[00:51] < jsaw> rxr: www.list.org
[00:51] < jsaw> (mailman)
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[00:53] < Mike1> rxr: indeed mailman is more than a good option. I use since maybe 2 years ago.
[00:55] < daja77> the seemed to have improved the admin interface in 2.1.2
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[01:01] < jsaw> rxr: btw, gcc33 and gcc3 have shared files conflicts (documentation). Any idea how to solve this?
[01:04] < rxr> what documentation files are shared ?
[01:06] < jsaw> I think, all (but I disabled gcc3 long time ago). But definitely info files.
[01:13] < esden> hi all
[01:13] < daja77> hi esden
[01:14] < Mike1> God bless you MPET
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[01:16] < fake> gevening'
[01:16] < daja77> hi fake
[01:16] < fake> hey daja
[01:16] < daja77> :)
[01:17] < rxr> hi fake
[01:18] < fake> hi rene
[01:18] < esden> god bless you too Mike1
[01:18] < esden> hi fake
[01:18] < rxr> hi esden! You alive?
[01:18] < fake> heyho esden
[01:18] < esden> yes now I am back to the living
[01:18] < esden> ;)
[01:18] < daja77> rxr: hehe good question
[01:18] < esden> I got a visit from tuesday so and was pretty unavalable ;)
[01:19] < esden> but now I am back
[01:19] < daja77> how was tuesday ;-)
[01:19] < rxr> esden: I know who visitted you when ... ;-)
[01:19] < esden> rxr: hehe ;)
[01:19] < daja77> hehe
[01:19] < rxr> esden: and you are still alive?
[01:20] < fake> really?
[01:20] < esden> rxr: yes I am ...
[01:20] < fake> <i>her</i> ?
[01:20] < esden> I did not fall into a glitch of a glacier ... but it was near to that
[01:20] < esden> ;)
[01:21]   fake o_O
[01:21]   daja77 hates speaking in riddles
[01:21] < rxr> yes - o_O {one week no rock patches from esden ...}
[01:21] < daja77> less broken code
[01:21]   daja77 hides
[01:21] < esden> fake: regina visited me and we climbed up the zugspitze from the bottom to the glacier and back down
[01:22] < esden> we planned to climb up to the top of zugspitze but we had no "steigeisen" for the glacier
[01:22] < fake> esden: ah, like, nature and stuff?
[01:22] < esden> that is why we went back down ... it was too dangerous at the end
[01:22] < esden> fake: ack
[01:22] < esden> I was exploring real rocks by foot ... for rocklinux ;)
[01:22] < daja77> esden: so you installed wlan on zugspitze?
[01:23] < esden> daja77: no I was talking with clifford over cellphone on the glacier of hoellenthal ;)
[01:23] < daja77> so that when i climb it with fake, we could have some fun there ;)
[01:23] < esden> I really got a shock as he called me ;)
[01:24] < daja77> hehe
[01:25] < esden> I plan to climb once more with everything I need ... and I will take a laptop with me ... so that I can say that rocklinux was climbing up rocks in real ;)
[01:25] < daja77> esden: send pics
[01:25] < esden> daja77: I have to develop them first
[01:25] < fake> don't forget the proof
[01:26] < esden> fake: photo's?
[01:26] < daja77> ah yes you are still on analog
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[01:26] < hopelessOwl> moin
[01:26] < fake> esden: or video
[01:26] < hopelessOwl> hi fake
[01:26] < rxr> esden: and reginea is on the way back? Or smiling near you ?
[01:26] < esden> hehe ;)
[01:26] < esden> rxr: she is on the way back to berlin
[01:26] < daja77> fake: what kind of video you thought of?
[01:28] < esden> the video would be usable for rock TV
[01:28] < daja77> :)
[01:31] < esden> fake: where can I download the rock tv vcd?
[01:31] < fake> esden: nowhere, up to now
[01:31] < esden> then change it ;-)
[01:31]   daja77 wants to download too
[01:32] < fake> give me fast upload connection...
[01:33] < esden> fake: apollo? if there is enough space for it ...
[01:33] < esden> yes there is enough place for it
[01:34] < fake> esden: then i'll push it once i'm in bitz (so... about next year)
[01:35] < esden> fake: why not from home?
[01:36] < fake> esden: because i'm not in the mood to move any more than i have to right now
[01:36] < fake> esden: and i would habe to plug my subnote in...
[01:37] < fake> have, even
[01:37] < esden> hmm ... ok ...
[01:37] < daja77> .oO lazy timeout error ;-)
[01:44] < hopelessOwl> https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/technologie/0,1518,263325,00.html << ouch
[01:45] < daja77> lol
[01:46] < hopelessOwl> wonderful.
[01:46] < hopelessOwl> vote for PBC, bayernpartei or ödp, btw! :p
[01:47] < daja77> oh my, these votes he hurt you seriously
[01:47] < daja77> s/he/have
[01:50] < daja77> owl for president!
[01:51] < hopelessOwl> yes... as in the "loosers-party"
[01:51] < daja77> could be any
[01:52] < hopelessOwl> hehe. yes. especially SPD and CDU/CSU currently.. (i'm still believing a bit in PDS)
[01:52] < fake> green...
[01:54] < hopelessOwl> hm.green is ok, too. but PDS is extreme enough to "durchsetzen" some of the "soziale ideen" and so on imho
[01:54] < daja77> lol
[01:55] < daja77> pds = bunch of grandpas and grannys, here
[01:55] < fake> daja77: the pds in ingolstadt is o.k. - nice people ;)
[01:56] < daja77> yeah in the west pds ppl are younger and somewhat smarter
[01:56] < daja77> here it is a senior's club with braindead ppl in it
[01:57] < hopelessOwl> yes... and in the ost, there are still "old men" who are influenced by communismn
[01:57] < daja77> you know them?
[01:57] < fake> hopelessOwl: they are here, too, that's the basic idea behind the PDS ;)
[01:58] < daja77> rofl
[01:58] < hopelessOwl> nah...
[01:58] < hopelessOwl> fake: nah. not as communistic as communismn ;p
[01:58] < daja77> hopelessOwl: huh?!
[01:58] < fake> hopelessOwl: yes, because then they would be illegalised in a democratic country ;)
[01:59] < daja77> erhm that's not the basic meaning of democracy, but yes they would
[01:59] < hopelessOwl> fake: sure. but why are NPD and stuff? they should be forbidden imho...
[02:00] < daja77> they are paid by verfassungsschutz ...
[02:00] < hopelessOwl> daja77: huh?
[02:00] < daja77> haven't you read the press?
[02:00] < hopelessOwl> daja77: depends on _when_
[02:01] < daja77> last year perhaps
[02:01] < hopelessOwl> last year... nah...
[02:01] < daja77> hmm ic
[02:02] < daja77> ok /me now goin to bed
[02:02] < daja77> cu
[02:02] < hopelessOwl> hrmpf. i'm "beneiden" you... my boyfriend is using both halfs of the bed.
[02:02] < hopelessOwl> (and sleeping) :-/
[02:02] < fake> daja77: gn8
[02:03] < Freak> gn8 daja77
[02:03] < Freak> re rest
[02:03] < Freak> :)
[02:03] < hopelessOwl> daja77: but: sleep well. bye
[02:03] < esden> n8 daja77
[02:03] < fake> hi Freak
[02:03] < Freak> hey fake
[02:03] < esden> ok ... /me -> watching a film
[02:04] < esden> cu
[02:04] < Freak> have fun esden
[02:04] < fake> movie
[02:04] < Freak> fake.... is this really necessary
[02:04] < Freak> have you it so nötig ;)
[02:04] < fake> Freak: what?
[02:05] < Freak> *turningroundhisheadlookingintheair*
[02:06] < fake> esden: have fun
[02:06] < fake> Freak: what - do - you - want (*poweringupleavemealoneaura*)
[02:07]   Freak sets mode -owl for fake
[02:07]   hopelessOwl kicks Freak in his ass
[02:07] < hopelessOwl> bye esden
[02:18] < snyke> esden: !!!!!!!
[02:18] < snyke> *hugs*
[02:20] < hopelessOwl> snyke: `
[02:20] < hopelessOwl> ?
[02:20] < snyke> :))
[02:20] < snyke> ;P
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[02:39] < Mike1> re
[02:40] < Freak> wb mi
[02:40] < Freak> ke
[02:40] < Freak> Mike1
[02:40] < Mike1> Freak: !!!
[02:41] < Freak> weeee so much exitement about me helloing you :)
[02:41] < Freak> exc..
[02:42] < hopelessOwl> hi Mike1
[02:42] < Mike1> owlita
[02:42] < hopelessOwl> Miguel ;)
[02:42] < Mike1> Freak: sure :)
[02:42] < Freak> Mike1: glad. :)
[02:43] < hopelessOwl> O_o
[02:43]   Mike1 is very happy because his 286 is back to life
[02:43] < Mike1> and he got a tv card on todays alien package
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[02:44] < Mike1> i can now find a better use to my 486 than a diskless terminal :)
[02:56] < rxr> cool - my C++ template traits code finally is in place, compiles - and the functionality tested works ;-)
[02:56] < fake> templates... urgh...
[02:56] < rxr> templates rock
[02:57] < fake> i hate the fact that you need to have the definition in each and every file, or have to include code-containing files
[02:59] < rxr> yes - you need to include the hxx file with the generic definition. But only when your compiler does not know about the "export" keyword - which exposes the class over compile units
[03:01] < fake> i didn't know that's supposed to work, i have to admit
[03:02] < rxr> (ok - I also think that currently only soem IBM VIsual Age compiler support some cases of export)
[03:02] < rxr> :-(
[03:02] < fake> hehe.
[03:04] < rxr> but this is only a compile time increase matter for me - (and reminds me that I need to bug the gcc folks about this again). In general Templates are a quite useable technique to realize low-level operation in a typesafe manner
[03:04] < rxr> and often more optimized than in C (when you do not use assembler)
[03:04] < fake> jep, i wanted to use them too, because the theory is really nice.
[03:05] < rxr> you last version of GSMP beats most other sound application under linux - even in run-time speed - althought it is written in modern C++
[03:05] < rxr> currently we start to rewrite it even more organized in modern C++
[03:08] < jsaw> rxr: == 01:41:15 =[5]=> Building x11/xfree86 [4.3.99.10 2.0.0-rc2].
[03:08] < jsaw> !> make[3]: *** No rule to make target `xcursor.pc', needed ..
[03:08] < jsaw> !> make[3]: Leaving directory `/R.src/xc/lib/fontconfig'
[03:08] < jsaw> did I miss a revision?
[03:08] < rxr> jsaw: already fixed (or did I forgot to commit ...)
[03:09] < jsaw> updating...
[03:09] < rxr> now it is
[03:09] < rxr> sorry
[03:09] < jsaw> np
[03:13] < christ|an> Hello Rock Community... last night i tryed out your gnome package
[03:13] < christ|an> there were some problems:
[03:14] < christ|an> o when i started the gnome theme manager to choose another theme this programm was very unstable
[03:14] < christ|an> stomethime this programm did nothing - i had to kill it
[03:15] < christ|an> o i couldnt logout. i pressed the logout button and there happend nothing. i had to logoff with a terminal
[03:16] < christ|an> o stone was very strange... the colors of stone are sometimes very dark (black, ...) and sometimes the colors are normal
[03:16] < christ|an> o when i want to change the windowmanager in stone i always have to to it two or more times
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[03:17] < christ|an> if you wish a bigger report of my problems with rock query me please and i will send you a big report with error msgs and so on
[03:18] < rxr> christ|an: I'll copy this into my mail client and take a look
[03:18] < christ|an> thanks rxr :)
[03:18] < rxr> maybe the gnome theme selector is always instble - this should not be a ROCK specific problem ...
[03:18] < rxr> which terminal did you run stone in?
[03:18] < rxr> this should really not be a stone problem
[03:20] < christ|an> well rxr: i used no terminal - start computer - login - and the typed stone
[03:20] < jsaw> rxr: christ|an: I'm about to update all gnome packages... then, I check it. Please send a detailed report also to me jsaw at gmx dot net.
[03:21] < christ|an> kk
[03:22] < rxr> jsaw: do you mean migration to 2.3 or updating to latesd stable 2.2 packages ?
[03:22] < rxr> jsaw: do you have free time for this font problem?
[03:23] < jsaw> last stable 2.2
[03:23] < Mike1> jsaw: NOTE: before i left rock i did test your update patches and they built fine
[03:24] < jsaw> good, so they will be pumped to the list as is.
[03:24] < Mike1> jsaw: i didn't test them
[03:24] < Mike1> only buold them..
[03:24] < Mike1> built*
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[03:26] < rxr> jsaw: so I do not continue to debug the font problem today - and either I wait for the gnome update - or you have the time to get into the details
[03:27] < jsaw> rxr: please tell me, how to reproduce the font problem
[03:27] < rxr> when I remoe the :unscaled fromthe fontpath KDE seems to work correct in -rc1 - but gnome still does not work correct and render one sans font for every font select (which is an improvement over these line line at all ...)
[03:27] < rxr> just lunch a gnome application in -rc12
[03:27] < rxr> -2
[03:28] < jsaw> here, all is fine.
[03:28] < rxr> best when first gnome-session was started
[03:28] < jsaw> but I use xfs
[03:28] < jsaw> gdm/gnome-session...
[03:28] < rxr> jsaw: do you have a full -rc1 build or only some updated system
[03:28] < jsaw> updated so far
[03:29] < rxr> maybe your X is too young? In the past this worked - in the past also the FontPath was just used as is (I have this default in dRock for years (two or so))
[03:29] < jsaw> and I have no unscaled in the font path
[03:29] < jsaw> checking X...
[03:29] < rxr> ah!
[03:29] < jsaw> XFree86 Version 4.3.99.8
[03:30] < rxr> no :unscaled ...
[03:30] < rxr> hm - this is the -rc1 version
[03:30] < rxr> jsaw: coudl you add :unscaled ;-)?
[03:30] < rxr> andyway I try more today - but first I go to bed now ..
[03:31] < jsaw> does this work in xfs config also?
[03:32] < jsaw> what fonts are unscaled?
[03:32] < rxr>     FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
[03:32] < rxr>     FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
[03:32] < rxr> those bitmap fonts
[03:33] < jsaw> stay tuned...
[03:33] < Mike1> sleep well rxr
[03:35] < jsaw> cu Mike1
[03:35] < jsaw> rxr: and what should be the problem now?
[03:36] < jsaw> ah, i c
[03:36] < Mike1> jsaw: i am not leaving..
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[03:38] < jsaw> Mike1: haven't seen, that rxr is about to go to bed
[03:38] < Mike1> jsaw: ok :)
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[03:47] < rxr> jsaw: well
[03:47] < rxr> still here - you do not see a problem ?
[03:49] < rxr> dou you still run xfs ?
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[09:11] < Mike1> re
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[09:41]   netrunner backing cake
[09:58]   daja77 waves
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[10:34] < rxr> 2.0.0-rc1 release announcement sent out
[10:36] < rxr> mon btw ;-)
[10:37] < daja77> moin rxr
[10:37] < daja77> nice ;)
[10:39] < n00kie> wee, rc1 finally released :)
[10:44]   rxr syncing to mirrors
[10:44] < rxr> n00kie: yes - I waited for feedback on the ISOs but did not got new status reports ...
[10:52] < n00kie> Well, the problem with me is, that I can't do that much status reports
[10:52] < n00kie> only 1 a month
[10:52] < n00kie> cause of my traffic flat
[10:56] < rxr> this was not criticism on your - just a general note
[10:56] < rxr> I thought to get more feedback from the original mailing-list boot discussion ...
[10:56] < rxr> but they do not want to give feedback ...
[11:06] < rxr> so freshmeat announcement submitted
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[12:00] < hopelessOwl> moin
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[12:05]   daja77 got some strange feeback, will have to dig through this before submitting this
[12:09] < hopelessOwl> daja77: strange freeback??
[12:10] < rxr> like my windows dialer does not work for seeing p....
[12:13] < hopelessOwl> .oO( rxr has experiences with windows-dialer and pr0n? O_o )
[12:34] < hopelessOwl> did i already mention, that i'm _hating_ naming of the pacakges especially for gnome and so?
[13:12] < daja77> well let's put it like this, i don't know if he reported errors or just made mistakes
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[13:14] < daja77> strange a guy in #svn is asking for python docs
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[14:03] < rxr> hopelessOwl: no I have no experience with those - neither Windows - this was just a joke ...
[14:05] < n00kie_> christ|an: Enjoy
[14:17] < christ|an> thx
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[14:30] < thorus> hi
[14:33] < rxr> hi thorus
[14:35] < daja77> .oO /me making beginners errors in c++ today ...
[14:40] < hopelessOwl> hihi.
[14:40] < hopelessOwl> hi daja77 , thorus
[14:47] < daja77> moin owl
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[15:06] < _spectre> moin
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[15:16] < rxr> anyone here?
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[15:17]   daja77 half here
[15:17] < tsa> hi all
[15:17] < daja77> hi tsa
[15:17]   SMP is
[15:18] < rxr> has anyone noticed massive sound drops during running "stone install"
[15:18] < rxr> ?
[15:18] < rxr> (I know that this question is bizzare ...)
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[15:20] < rxr> ping ?
[15:20] < tsa> pong.
[15:21]   tsa didn't notice anything.
[15:21] < Freak> I have seriously been concerning to rock my powerbook....
[15:21] < rxr> anything - or sound dropout and general yerkiness during runnin stone install ?
[15:22] < Freak> just to see how multimedia performance would be..
[15:22] < rxr> Freak: oh - nice! Why this now ?
[15:22]   SMP never ran 'stone install'
[15:22] < Freak> on debian, dvds keep framedropping
[15:22] < Freak> I wanna have a try
[15:23] < Freak> but I should have to split up my /home partition for some space to rock it.
[15:24] < Freak> but I first gotta get it out of my car's trunk and that's actually pretty... let's call it the ugly part because I would have to go outside ;)
[15:25] < rxr> SMP: could you just do so - with mp3 / oggvorbis running? you do not need to click anywhere - only take a look if it framedrops masively during stone start ...
[15:26] < SMP> 'click'? I get a curses thing
[15:27] < rxr> no sound drops?
[15:27] < SMP> ok, stone -x11 install
[15:27] < SMP> still no sound probs.
[15:28] < rxr> ok - many thanks
[15:28] < rxr> damn ppc kernel ...
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[15:31] < rxr> hm - or is this devfs ...
[15:33] < SMP> hmmm
[15:33] < rxr> erhm - this are strange devfs consuming massive ammounts of CPU during node lookup problem
[15:33] < rxr> (IISTC)
[15:33] < rxr> if i see this correctly ...
[15:33]   SMP needs to install X libs, VNC and a Web brower on an 1.5.20-stefanp serve r
[15:35] < rxr> ah! This was usb-storage - trying to talk to a deice not present any longer - trying to read the partitions ...
[15:45] < rxr> has someone jfs or xfs in the kernel ?
[15:45] < rxr> and could paste the /proc/filesystems entries?
[15:46] < rxr> I guess xfs and jfs ? ;-)
[15:47] < SMP> exactly
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[15:53] < tsa> *sigh*
[15:53] < tsa> lots of outdated packages..
[15:57] < SMP> tsa: ignore openhbci and those in my repo
[15:58] < Freak> rxr: I'd like to compile rock myself on that powerbook, I guess you don't have a powerbook-precompiled iso?
[15:59] < Freak> thing is.. this powerbook runs at 533mhz if I don't tell it to speed up. will the installsystem-kernel let me do something with /proc/cpufreq?
[16:09] < rxr> oehm - I think the one on the install-disk might not have cpufreq support - the in-side kernel has.
[16:10] < rxr> tsa: outdated != broken - and please test before update mail ...
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[16:13] < Freak> rxr: so...?
[16:13] < rxr> Freak: do you want to compile yourself or have an ISO?
[16:13] < rxr> Freak: for an binary installation it does not matter that much if you book runs at 533 or 800 Mhz ...
[16:13] < Freak> I'm not sure if I really want to compile it on a 533mhz machine
[16:14] < Freak> yes sure
[16:14] < Freak> what would you recommend me to do?
[16:16] < Freak> *shiver* why'd it have to get so cold?!
[16:17] < rxr> install a precompiled - best 2.0.0-rx1 when it is out for ppc in as soon as the rs6k finishes it ...
[16:18] < Freak> rs6k?
[16:21] < rxr> IBM RS/6000
[16:21] < Freak> sweet
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[16:23] < Freak> rxr: will you tell me when it's done?
[16:23] < rxr> jups
[16:23] < Freak> tanks
[16:24] < rxr> might take some days since it is only running at 375Mhz ...
[16:24] < rxr> it is current at kdemultimedia - but need to build the install-disk target after that ...
[16:24] < Freak> uh
[16:24] < Freak> :( ok
[16:32] < rxr> hm - I have a few releases before rc1 bootdisk - maybe I rebuild some parts of it - that will be quicker then rebuilding all ...
[16:33] < Freak> :)
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[16:43] < rxr> s/releases/revisions/
[16:43] < tsa> lol
[16:43] < tsa> https://newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/08/25/1910248
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[16:45] < Freak> tsa: LOL
[16:48] < esden> hi all!
[16:49] < netrunner> hi esden
[16:50] < _spectre> hallo esden
[16:50] < rxr> hi esden netrunner _spectre
[16:51] < netrunner> hi rxr #
[16:51] < netrunner> ah ... my build finished 1  hour ago
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[16:52] < netrunner> 1800 builds total, 1728 completed fine, 72 with errors. *err -> https://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/rocklinux/err/server-2.0.0-rc2-x86-k6-2-32-generic-expert/
[16:52]   netrunner -> coffee
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[17:45] < rxr> re
[17:46] < rxr> someone interested in an updated XFree whiteglass xterm cursor?
[17:46] < rxr> I just tuned it a bit to be more noticeable
[17:46] < rxr> (not it is not blinked - just more contrast ...)
[17:54] < mistik1> speaking of xfree86
[17:54] < mistik1> I'm hearing some very interesting noise comming out of that camp
[17:55] < mistik1> How would you like to see xdmcp replaced by ssh?
[17:55] < rxr> mistik1: do you speak to me ?
[17:55] < mistik1> how would you like to be able to do X over dialup or broadband with about as much noise as vnc
[17:56] < mistik1> I speak to all who use X
[17:56] < rxr> I do not use xdmcp ...
[17:56] < mistik1> all who would love to use remotely without all the darn noise it makes on a network
[17:57] < tsa|afk> https://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/
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[17:57] < rxr> mistik1: is this that new network compressed s.th. protocol ?
[17:57] < rxr> tsa: as on most os my sites ..
[17:57] < mistik1> I hear they are planning to use ssh itself
[17:57] < tsa> hehe..nice page
[17:58] < rxr> too bad clifford does not want to mess the typo3 with such a page
[17:59] < mistik1> heh
[17:59] < mistik1> I guess it gets the point across
[17:59] < mnemoc> but a DocumentIndex protest.php index.php... ?
[18:07] < tsa> ..would require modifications on all mirror sites.
[18:08] < esden> rxr: that is really a mess ...
[18:08] < esden> rxr: I have to admit that I do not understand why he is against it ...
[18:32] < rxr> re
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[19:34] < fake> mornin
[19:36] < netrunner> do we have a filesharing client in rock? what can you suggest, emule?
[19:37] < netrunner> jo fale
[19:37] < netrunner> aeh hi fake
[19:39] < fake> hi fake
[19:39] < fake> mldonkey
[19:39] < fake> mathieu/mldonkey iirc
[19:43] < fake> s,fake,netrunner
[19:44] < fake> i am bizarre
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[19:52] < hopelessOwl> hi fake , n00kie , rxr
[19:52] < hopelessOwl> aeh. ringo
[19:55] < fake> gmornin owl
[19:57] < netrunner> fake: talking to yourself you are :)
[19:59] < hopelessOwl> someone knows a svcd-player (not mplayer)?
[20:00] < Freak> what would "ultio mea est" mean?
[20:01] < mnemoc> latin?
[20:01] < Freak> i would guess so
[20:01] < fake> hopelessOwl: xine
[20:01] < mnemoc> the revange is mine
[20:01] < Freak> ultio = revenge?
[20:01] < Freak> sweet
[20:01] < mnemoc> revange, punishment
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[20:03] < hopelessOwl> ok. thx, fake
[20:04] < Freak> mnemoc: "kthx" as owl would say hehe
[20:05] < mnemoc> :)
[20:12] < hopelessOwl> O_o how many years does xine need to compile?
[20:18] < tsa> 2.
[20:19] < hopelessOwl> yes... seems so...
[20:19] < hopelessOwl> .oO(after my dead, xine has finished building)
[20:19] < hopelessOwl> s/dead/death
[20:25] < netrunner> is anybody using that mldonkey?
[20:26] < fake> sure
[20:34] < hopelessOwl> wtf is *.mpe ?
[20:35] < fake> mpeg made 8.3
[20:35] < fake> ?
[20:41] < hopelessOwl> huh?
[20:41] < hopelessOwl> mein haaaaaals!!!! help!!!!
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[20:44] < mnemoc> kernel panic?
[20:44] < hopelessOwl> mnemoc: ?
[20:44] < jsaw_> re
[20:44] < jsaw_> hi all
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[20:45] < hopelessOwl> .oO(ich fress' nen besen)
[20:45] < hopelessOwl> < watchin movie now. bbl
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[21:14] < rxr> hi jsaw
[21:15] < rxr> re
[21:15] < jsaw> hello
[21:20]   netrunner is now happy mldonkeying
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[21:48] < tcr> moin all
[21:48] < netrunne1> huch? rene answers rlml mails in german :) he obviously needs some sleep.
[21:49] < tcr> No, he thought he were only sending to me.. privately ;)
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[21:58] < rxr> oh - did not see the CC ...
[21:58] < rxr> I expected mail in my private inbox to be private ...
[21:59] < tcr> It was
[22:00] < tcr> "We need to switch from init script to directly starting via init
[22:00] < tcr> anyway" -- What do you mean with this?
[22:03] < rxr> ?dm do not work correctly when not executed by init directly ...
[22:03] < rxr> it need to be in the inittab
[22:03] < tcr> Ah
[22:03] < tcr> Ok.. I was just a bit confused :)
[22:06] < tsa> cu
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[22:16]   esden installing cygwin to test rocklinux compile under cygwin ;)
[22:20] < netrunne1> esden: you are bizzarre ... and will get a lot of .exe :)
[22:20] -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner
[22:25] < rxr> esden: maybe some dietlibc and alpha patches before this trip ?
[22:28] < esden> rxr: I will send some of them tomorrow
[22:28] < esden> rxr: at the moment I have a pretty fast box with windows on it in my hands and want to use it
[22:29] < rxr> why?
[22:30] < rxr> use it with linux ...
[22:31] < rxr> 22:06 -!- tsa [tsa@pD9E11B23.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["*plopp*"]
[22:32] < rxr> sorry - the 2nd box mouse on the iBook was not such a good idea ...
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[22:33] < esden> rxr: I will as soon as I have the rc1 iso here
[22:33] < rxr> jsaw: what was the result with gnome2 last night ?
[22:33] < esden> but we wanted to test rock with cygwin anyway
[22:34] < jsaw> rxr: that's actually a bigger problem, and I think it's not gnome, but pango.
[22:34] < rxr> sure - it is a gtk+/pango whatever low-level problem - just the base of gnome ..
[22:34] < rxr> but you could repproduce it ?
[22:34] < jsaw> I can't choose anything else than sans. With or without :unscaled.
[22:35] < rxr> jsaw: even before when you claimed it was working ?
[22:35] < jsaw> fontconfig seems ok.
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[22:36] < jsaw> I was playing around with it quite a while ago. I thought I set it to Helvetica, but now it's Sans. (didn't realize, but the fonts are pretty similiar)
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[22:44] < nisma> join #rocklinux
[22:44] < rxr> hi nisma
[22:45] < rxr> hey ROCK Linux @ freshmeat.net: 10.99% (Rank 15)
[22:46] < rxr> cool
[22:46] < jsaw> brb
[22:46] < rxr> I think now is a good time to pump dRock relase into freshmeat ;-)
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[22:53] < nisma> intro
[22:55] < esden> rxr: I think I have to rank rock ;)
[22:55] < rxr> yes - and drock too please
[22:58] < rxr> nisma: yes -hi
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[23:09] < rxr> wow - three new people subscribed the freshmeat.net announcements of rock today ;-)
[23:11] < rxr> jsaw: btw. are you subscribed to some gnome(-devel) list ?
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[23:16] < rxr> hi daja77
[23:16] < daja77> hi rxr
[23:17] < daja77> one of your last mails to the list was in german ...
[23:17] < rxr> yes - we already discussed this here
[23:17] < daja77> oh :)
[23:17] < rxr> it was from tcr and in my private inbox - so I replied in german ...
[23:17]   daja77 had no time for rock stuff this weekend :(
[23:19] < daja77> i'll fix rt stuff tomorrow to work with linux 2.4.22
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[23:29] < jsaw> re
[23:29] < jsaw> rxr: no
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[23:40] < esden> rxr: where is the page for rockplug ... or is there none?
[23:41] < esden> should it not be listed on rocklinux.org under related projects?
[23:41] < jsaw> there is none.
[23:42] < esden> jsaw: that is bad :(
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[23:46] < rxr> yes - it should be listed there ...
[23:46] < rxr> esden: why is this bad ?
[23:49] < esden> rxr: because I think that it should be described
[23:50] < rxr> it get a full chapter in the handbook once it is finished
[23:50] < esden> that is good
[23:50] < esden> still it should get a site of it's own I think
[23:51] < rxr> yes - sure
[23:51] < rxr> I'm just creating a basic plain version ...
[23:51] < esden> rxr: very good
[23:52] < jsaw> rxr: can you reserve one/two hours monday evening, we should discuss out some points of rockplug
[23:55] < jsaw> rxr: please change gdm.init to kill gdm-binary! (gdm is a script only)
[23:56] < rxr> jsaw: yes
[23:56] < jsaw> I have to leave and do some "real" work...bbl
[23:56] < rxr> jsaw: nope - I'm going to remove ?dm.init soon
[23:56] < jsaw> rxr: okay, so we'll meet somewhen
[23:56] < rxr> ok
[23:57] < jsaw> and then we'll query...
[23:57] < rxr> ok - viel erfolg bis dahin ;-)
[23:57] < jsaw> cu guys!
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-!- Irrsi  Log closed Mon Sep 01 00:00:31 2003