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--- Log opened Sat Jul 05 00:00:55 2003 --- Day changed Sat Jul 05 2003 00:14 -!- ripclaw_ [~ripclaw@p50891B25.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:24 -!- mistik1 [rasta@ool-44c02046.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:24 < mistik1> hello 00:24 < Mike1> hi mistik1 00:24 < mistik1> I tracked blindcoder down to here ;) 00:24 < mistik1> I was just on his website'' 00:26 < mistik1> what is the focus of Rock Linux and why should i run it? 00:27 < esden> hmm .. that is a difficult question 00:27 < esden> rocklinux is a distribution build kit ... 00:27 < esden> that means that rocklinux is not really one distribution 00:27 < esden> but many in one 00:28 < mistik1> like a LFS+gentoo mixture type thing 00:28 < Mike1> yuk no. 00:28 < esden> no it is not 00:28 < mistik1> ok 00:29 < esden> these are source distributions that is something totally different from a distribution build kit 00:29 < mistik1> ahh, I see 00:29 < esden> with rocklinux you build from sources binary distributions that you can install lateron 00:30 < mistik1> I must check this out 00:30 < esden> but you can install packets as binary .gem packages 00:30 < mistik1> I hope I can get it done in UML so i dont have to build another box yet 00:30 < esden> or install using the rocklinux tree from source directy in the system that is possible ... but that is only a side effect 00:30 < esden> not really main intention 00:31 < mistik1> what are .gem ? 00:31 < esden> I have installed rock once in UML 00:31 < mistik1> I know they are packages, i'm talking format 00:31 < esden> but have not tryed it with 2.0-preX yet 00:31 < mistik1> that's great 00:32 < mistik1> I'm a long time linux user so i'm sure if its been done I can get it done also ;) 00:32 < esden> it is our own format ... it is very simple ... but it is different from .rpm or .dpkg 00:33 < esden> mistik1: I do not know I have to tweak some stuff to get the installation system running in uml 00:33 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E235.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:33 < jsaw> re 00:33 < esden> but creating a uml target for rock is on todo list 00:33 < mistik1> prolly anything to do with drive or PCI probing 00:34 < esden> we have hwscan and hotplug in current desktop and generic target 00:34 < esden> targets are the kinds of distributions that can be built 00:35 < mistik1> I gather that 00:35 < esden> but it is beeing replaced with rockplug that is integreting hwscan and hotplug in one thing and adding some more stuff 00:35 < esden> I am not in that project so I can not tell much about that 00:36 < jsaw> what should I say about rockplug? 00:36 < mistik1> I must say this sounds very interesting 00:36 < esden> but the decision to create was that that hwscan and hotplug produced some collisions and problems if I understood correctly 00:36 < esden> jsaw: can you tell more here? 00:36 < mistik1> esden: what is the smallest usable system you've installed with rock 00:37 < jsaw> the main problem of hotplug is, that it is designed for red hat. well, not exactly 00:37 < jsaw> but u can find traces of that. 00:37 < esden> a 486 100mhz with 16 mb of ram and a 2 gb disk 00:37 < esden> it is my router ;-) 00:37 < mistik1> I mean footprint of the install, not the hardware 00:38 < jsaw> now, hotplug does what hwscan does on startup... 00:38 < mistik1> I'm looking for a distro to base some work i'm doing on 00:38 < esden> jsaw: but then why the replacement? 00:38 < mistik1> I need something I can reduce to about 16mb total 00:38 < esden> mistik1: phh ... I always install all I have ... to test stuff ;-) 00:39 < mistik1> as that is the size of the flashdisk i'm going to employ 00:39 < snyke> hi esdi 00:39 < esden> mistik1: you can take the dietlibc target that is not yet fully funcitonal but may be a good base to create a very small system ... or the minimal target 00:40 < mistik1> hmmm 00:40 < jsaw> We do not want to adapt the init scripts and other things to satisfy hotplug. Instead we modified hotplug to meet our distros requirements. 00:41 < mistik1> esden: interesting indeed, I'm now building from scratch with uClibc linked apps 00:41 < jsaw> Also, we implemented other goodies. E.g. no dependency on pciutils or usbutils. 00:41 < esden> if you decide to take dietlibc target it will take a lot of work and sweat and brainwork to get it done ... but when it is ready it will be sweet for sure 00:41 < esden> jsaw: sounds really cool 00:42 < esden> jsaw: and how far is the development? is it usable now? 00:42 < esden> mistik1: I have a started uclibc target on my disk ... but it needs work too 00:43 < jsaw> esden: please test it. I'm waiting for bug reports. Here, on my computer, it works better than hwscan, and every other hw detection I've used so far. (But as I said, that's only my computer...) 00:43 < mistik1> esden: thank you for allowing me to play the newb for a day. you've giving me enough info to intice me to give RL a try 00:43 < esden> jsaw: as soon as I get usb box for my old laptop disk so I can make backups easy I will test it for sure 00:43 < mistik1> And I think I will send some support the way of blindcoder 00:45 < esden> mistik1: you are wellcome ... I would appreciate help in uclibc and dietlibc target ... because I am working nearly alone on them and I really would appreciate help ... 00:46 < rxr> esden: rockplug is useable 00:46 < rxr> usb and pci should be detected just fine 00:46 < Aard> esden: ad dietlibc -- what about coming? I've been too busy during the last weeks to get much done, hope I'll have more time this summer 00:46 < mistik1> I'll be glad to lend a hand where I can, once I figure out RL myself 00:46 < rxr> and macio - isapnp and firewire will be done soon ... 00:46 < rxr> cu 00:47 < esden> rxr: when will it get standard in rock? 00:47 < esden> mistik1: nice to hear that 00:47 < esden> mistik1: if you have questions I am often here ;-) 00:48 < esden> Aard: I have currently exams ... but I hope that I will have more time when they are over ... *sigh* 00:49 < esden> and I have a gf now so that means that my time got even more rare ;-) 00:50 < Aard> esden: tell the gf to do something for you (cleaning, ...), and you'll have more time than befor 00:50 * Aard is still trying to get his girlfriend do that :) 00:50 < esden> hehe ... I will propose that to her ;-) ... but I think she will kill me for that 00:50 < jsaw> esden: rockplug may get standard for the 2.0.0 final. but hwscan will not be dropped unless we can simplify it again. 00:51 < Aard> esden: than give here some sources to modify.... 00:51 < esden> jsaw: I am looking forward to that ;-) 00:51 * mistik1 goes to do some reading 00:51 < esden> Aard: hehe ;-) you do not really want thot I think 00:51 < esden> ;-) 00:51 < jsaw> esden: me 2 00:52 < esden> mistik1: I have something for you 00:52 < Aard> esden: if I don't have to use the results... :) 00:52 < esden> ahh the guide from pjotr is linked corretly on our site now ... coool 00:53 < esden> mistik1: https://www.rocklinux.org/guide.html 00:53 < esden> mistik1: I think that is a good start for rock 00:53 < esden> Aard: hehe ;-) 00:55 < Aard> btw, isc's dhcpd linkes with some changes against dietlibc (main problem: higjly defective autoconf), inn works with some small fixes. 00:55 < esden> Aard: nice to know 00:55 < Aard> ...and that's the only thing I got done this week :( 00:56 < esden> Aard: I have done anything this week ... :-( 00:56 < esden> I only programmed some homework stuff for computer science 4 lecture 00:56 < esden> in java *puke* 00:57 < Aard> hehe..java is something you won't find on any of my systems :) 00:57 < esden> Aard: my university is deeply infected with that crap 00:57 < Aard> esden: change the university... :) 00:58 < esden> Aard: HA HA HA HA :-/ 00:59 < Aard> esden: if that makes you happy -- I currently get most money for managing lotus domino servers, and writing java-agents for them. but I'll never use java on one of my home systems 01:01 < esden> Aard: my condolences ... 01:01 < esden> yes I remember you told that already 01:01 < esden> ok ... I go to bed 01:01 < Aard> currently trainging for CLP 01:01 < esden> I have to get up early tomorrow 01:02 < Aard> jep, I'll have to get up before 17:00 -- shop closes at 18:00 ;) 01:02 < esden> ass :P 01:02 < esden> n8 01:02 < Aard> n8 01:07 < mistik1> esden: thanks, that's just where I am now 01:14 < mistik1> yah for FHS 01:16 < jsaw> what's FHS? 01:16 < mistik1> esden: where can I get some info on how far you have reached with the uClibc 'target' 01:16 < mistik1> pathname.org/fhs 01:17 < mistik1> I like the fast that rock is FHS based and not LSB 01:17 < jsaw> and don't forget devfs! 01:19 < mistik1> you use it or dont? 01:19 < mistik1> pfft 01:19 < mistik1> s/fast/fact/ 01:19 < jsaw> I'm currently running ROCK. 01:19 < jsaw> I switched from SuSE (don't beat me) 01:20 < mistik1> hah 01:20 -!- ripclaw_ [~ripclaw@p50891B25.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:20 < mistik1> not likely as SuSe is the only distro I truly hate 01:20 < jsaw> rxr (Rene, stable tree maintainer) and I are developing the rockplug stuff 01:21 < mistik1> nice to meet you 01:21 < mistik1> I'm a linux consultant and general tinkerer 01:22 < jsaw> where are u from? 01:22 < mistik1> I'm in NJ US 01:22 < jsaw> I'm a physicist doing my phd. 01:22 < jsaw> NJ? (forgive my ignorance) 01:22 < mistik1> cool 01:22 < mistik1> New Jersey 01:25 < jsaw> mistik1: linux con., on your own or in a company? 01:25 < mistik1> on my own right now 01:26 < mistik1> I owned a computer business untill last may 01:26 < jsaw> why not any more? 01:26 < mistik1> one word 01:26 < mistik1> Partners 01:26 < jsaw> fsck 01:27 < mistik1> weeeeee 01:27 < mistik1> the 2.4.20 lpp patch just patched cleanly over .21 01:27 < mistik1> sorry doing that for another project 01:28 < jsaw> what's lpp? 01:29 -!- Freak [~freak@p508B370A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:29 < jsaw> hi Freak 01:29 < mistik1> Linux Progress Patch 01:30 < Freak> hey guys 01:30 < mistik1> hey Freak 01:30 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-5-11.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 01:30 < mistik1> jsaw: framebuffer bootlogo thing-a-ma-jig 01:34 < jsaw> mistik1: so I probably read your name on lkml? 01:36 < mistik1> nah 01:36 < mistik1> I'm no kernel hacker 01:37 < mistik1> I get invovled in lesser projects, programming is not my strong suite 01:37 < jsaw> ah, u just tried the lpp, I thought your were a developer of it. 01:38 < mistik1> oh no 01:38 < mistik1> I was trying to get it working with the LTSP kernel 01:38 < jsaw> lpp looks nice though. don't u want to adapt it for ROCK Linux? (sooner or later we'll have a live CD) 01:38 < mistik1> there has been no support in it since 2.4.9 01:39 < jsaw> I just read it: The LPP kernel is not included in the 3.0.8 release of the kernel packages, because there isn't an LPP patch for the 2.4.21 Linux kernel yet. 01:39 < mistik1> That has been done afaik 01:39 < mistik1> well one is now ;-) 01:49 < cchamilt> blindcoder has an lpp package 01:50 < cchamilt> i gave it to him, he is sitting on it 01:51 < cchamilt> it works as is if you include it in your target and have a fblogo.patch.bz2 sitting in target 01:51 < jsaw> hi cchamilt 01:51 < cchamilt> hi 01:52 < mistik1> hey cchamilt 01:52 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-1-86.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:52 < cchamilt> it uses package overrides in target for now, but would be safe to include in linux24 package 01:52 < mistik1> I got the patch from blindcoder 01:53 < cchamilt> lpp or the lpp package for rock? 01:53 < mistik1> lpp 01:53 < mistik1> oops 01:53 < cchamilt> yeah, well he did the 2.4.20 cleanups 01:53 < mistik1> I missread you 01:53 < Mike1> cu later 01:54 < mistik1> It works with 2.4.21 :) 01:54 < jsaw> timezone cchamilt? 01:54 < mistik1> https://music.geeksinthehood.net:81/~mistik1/lpp-2421.patch.bz2 01:54 < jsaw> cu l8r Mike1 01:54 < cchamilt> ? SGT? SG/KL/HK 01:55 < jsaw> cchamilt: I'm just wondering that you are here at that time, what's the time there right now? 01:56 -!- tfing_ is now known as tfing 01:56 < cchamilt> 7:56am 01:56 < mistik1> while i'm 7:56pm 01:56 < jsaw> ! 01:57 < jsaw> I'm usually not awake before 11am. 01:57 < cchamilt> i can only sleep a little right now 01:58 < jsaw> (I sleep between 3 and 6h, still I don't get up before 11am) 01:59 < cchamilt> i am trying to sleep normal 01:59 < jsaw> *grin* 02:06 -!- ripclaw_ [~ripclaw@p50891B25.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:10 < jsaw> cchamilt: science is like that. on one hand, nobody cares when u show up in the lab. otoh, you won't leave until the experiment is finished... 02:11 < jsaw> that's the funny thing about freedom. more freedom, more responsibility (and most often more work)... 02:14 < cchamilt> well i am just finishingup project this weekend 02:14 < cchamilt> hope to be done by tomorrow 02:18 < jsaw> luckily I finished everything I wanted. now I'm desperately waiting for wife and daughter to come back from their visit at her parents house. phew. 02:19 < jsaw> ping Mike1 02:19 < cchamilt> he is busy 02:19 < jsaw> he was writing an answer on the ML, so... 02:24 < jsaw> mistik1: hope to see u here more often 02:24 < jsaw> I gotta sleep 02:24 < jsaw> cu, cchamilt 02:25 < jsaw> cu? mistik1 02:25 < jsaw> gn8 all 02:28 < cchamilt> bye 02:29 < mistik1> l8r jsaw 02:31 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E235.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (""seize the n8"") 02:42 -!- Ge0rG [georg@212.21.74.156] has quit ("Real Life is just an illusion caused by IRC deprivation") 03:21 -!- ripclaw_ [~ripclaw@p50891B25.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:37 -!- Freak [~freak@p508B370A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client exciting") 03:54 -!- ripclaw_ [~ripclaw@p50891B25.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:22 -!- ripclaw_ [~ripclaw@p50891B25.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:05 < netrunner> moin 07:09 < netrunner> crap, they still have shut down all the uni computers :( 07:09 < netrunner> so where will I write my exam? 07:14 -!- cchamilt [~chatzilla@202.156.147.131] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07:22 -!- ripclaw_ [~ripclaw@p50891B25.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:23 -!- ripclaw_ [~ripclaw@p50891B25.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:39 < esden> moin netrunner 07:41 < netrunner> esden: you know where we'll write? 07:42 < esden> no I was hoping you know that ... 07:42 < netrunner> esden: this is baad (tm) 07:43 < netrunner> I'll leave here at 8 to have enough time to search. 07:43 < netrunner> But my guess is on HS1, because we are not so many. 07:43 < netrunner> btw... was there a registration for the exam??? :/ 07:43 < esden> netrunner: can you give me your phone number? 07:43 < esden> yes there was a registration ... 07:44 < netrunner> esden: urgs, when? 07:44 < esden> and you had to do 60% of homework and visit 60% of the trainings to get registred ... 07:44 < esden> but I think that it is only shock making ... like every year 07:44 < netrunner> esden: phiu, ah that one... where are my thoughts today 07:46 * netrunner -> breakfast 07:47 * -> esden -> shower 07:56 -!- ripclaw_ [~ripclaw@p50891B25.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:02 < esden> re 08:23 -!- mnemoc [neron@200.75.27.116] has joined #rocklinux 08:42 < mistik1> re esden 08:42 < mistik1> as I trail off to sleep 08:56 < daja77> moin 09:24 -!- ripclaw_ [~ripclaw@p50891B25.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:10 < blindcoder> moin 10:27 -!- ripclaw_ [~ripclaw@p50891B25.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:33 -!- ringo30 [ringo78@xs2.xs4all.nl] has quit ("leaving") 11:25 -!- ripclaw_ [~ripclaw@p50891B25.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:08 < netrunner> re 12:10 < esden> re hi all 12:15 < blindcoder> esden: wb 12:24 -!- ripclaw_ [~ripclaw@p50891B25.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:27 < esden> hi blindcoder 12:28 * blindcoder gives a yawn 12:29 < esden> blindcoder: well done ... when you open your mouth a bit more the top part of your head will fall off ... ;-) 12:30 < blindcoder> might be worth a try 12:30 < esden> lol 12:31 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E235.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:31 < jsaw> re 12:35 < esden> re jsaw 12:38 < blindcoder> esden: had an exam today? 12:40 < netrunner> blindcoder: stop talking about it if you like your head. 12:41 < blindcoder> excuse me for asking 12:41 * blindcoder will shut up now 12:42 < esden> blindcoder: yes I had an exam today ... and netrunner tooo ... so do not care what he is saying ... his brain is fryed ;-) 12:43 < netrunner> esden: so, you think I am impolite? 12:44 * netrunner waits for counterstrike to load, better ignore /me until then ;) 12:45 < esden> netrunner: no ... but blindcoder felt attacked ... I wanted to inform him about your state of brain before he takes it seriously what you say ;-) 12:45 < netrunner> esden: ugh, you really think someone takes me serious? *wonder* 12:46 < esden> netrunner: hmm ... there may be people ... I know you already a bit ... but there are other species that do not know much about you ... and may missunderstand you ... 12:47 < netrunner> argl, now I am missing the l33t map they play :/ 12:47 < netrunner> would be nice to show everybody a custom map, would be funny, no? :) 12:48 < esden> o_O 12:48 * -> esden not playing cs ... 12:49 < netrunner> esden: imagin an egoshooter where everybody sees a different map and only the player actions are synchronized :) 12:49 < esden> netrunner: loool 12:50 < esden> tehn you run all the time in the walls ... 12:52 * -> esden -> home, food 12:53 < netrunner> esden: others would walk through, but you cannot on your map. but on the other hand you'd see people ducking around corners that don't exist for you :) 12:54 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA9B48.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:55 < tcr> moin all 12:55 < netrunner> moin tcr 13:02 < jsaw> my family just came back from their trip to the grand-parents... so, cu l8r 13:02 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@p3EE1E235.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 13:08 -!- Freak [~freak@p508B370A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:27 -!- ripclaw_ [~ripclaw@p50891B25.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:54 -!- Ge0rG [georg@212.21.74.154] has joined #rocklinux 14:04 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EA9B48.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:11 -!- ripclaw_ [~ripclaw@p50891B25.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:24 -!- blindcod1r [blindcoder@pD9E4FCDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:24 -!- blindcoder [blindcoder@pD9E4F8BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (ghosted: blindcod1r!blindcoder@pD9E4FCDC.dip.t-dialin.net))) 15:24 -!- blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 15:27 -!- ripclaw_ [~ripclaw@p508924BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:55 < rxr> re 15:58 < netrunner> rxr: hi gaian. intrested in the logs of a '693? 16:00 -!- fontenot [~fontenot@c-67-161-26-151.client.comcast.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16:05 < rxr> netrunner: theoretically yes - but I'm away this weekend and do not have spare time ... 16:06 < daja77> re 16:07 * daja77 ordered kerlsruhe map today 16:07 < daja77> karlsruhe 16:11 -!- ripclaw_ [~ripclaw@p508924BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:17 < rxr> hi daja77 16:20 < rxr> ok - cu 16:34 < daja77> cu rxr 16:37 -!- muuh [kallk@pD950E5BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:37 -!- muuh [kallk@pD950E5BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux () 16:56 < daja77> *yawn* 17:00 -!- kaerF [~freak@p508B1C7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:02 -!- cchamilt [~chatzilla@cm131.gamma147.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #rocklinux 17:07 < daja77> hi cchamilt 17:10 < cchamilt> hi 17:14 -!- uninvit3d [~uninvited@ppp-62-245-163-50.mnet-online.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:14 < uninvit3d> hello every1 17:19 -!- Freak [~freak@p508B370A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:19 -!- kaerF is now known as Freak 17:29 -!- ripclaw_ [~ripclaw@p508924BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:31 < mistik1> hey guys 17:37 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M267P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 18:28 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-5-11.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ("changing client") 18:44 -!- ripclaw_ [~ripclaw@p508924BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:56 -!- Ge0rG [georg@212.21.74.154] has quit ("Reconnecting") 19:03 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@B6598.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:16 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@B6598.pppool.de] has quit (":x") 20:31 -!- Robin_Root [~Emiliano@ip128-2-22.dialup.edisontel.com] has joined #rocklinux 20:36 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@B6598.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:38 -!- netrunne1 [~netrunner@p50802D90.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:53 -!- netrunner [~netrunner@p508020AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:06 -!- freed [Administra@pD9001E42.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:06 < freed> hi @ll 21:07 < Robin_Root> hi 21:07 -!- Robin_Root [~Emiliano@ip128-2-22.dialup.edisontel.com] has quit ("Uscita dal client") 21:09 < n00kie> daja77: ping :) 21:10 -!- mnemoc_ [neron@200.75.27.116] has joined #rocklinux 21:16 -!- dreamind [~dreamind@B6598.pppool.de] has quit (":x") 21:29 -!- mnemoc [neron@200.75.27.116] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:45 -!- n00kie [~n00kie@M267P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("leaving") 21:53 -!- uninvit3d [~uninvited@ppp-62-245-163-50.mnet-online.de] has quit ("Client Exiting") 21:56 < daja77> pong 21:58 < daja77> oh damn n00kie die ;-) 21:58 < daja77> +d 22:00 < daja77> nobody here? 22:18 < Mike1> hi. 22:24 < Mike1> daja77: ? 22:24 < Mike1> cchamilt: ? 22:33 < daja77> hi Mike1 22:33 < Mike1> hi daja77 :) 22:33 < Mike1> good you are here 22:33 < daja77> sorry was off for a pizza 22:33 < mnemoc_> re 22:33 -!- mnemoc_ is now known as mnemoc 22:33 < daja77> hi mnemoc 22:33 < Mike1> welcome back mnemoc 22:34 < mnemoc> hi :) 22:34 < daja77> your box back online? 22:35 < mnemoc> 'new' box ;) 22:35 < daja77> hehe 22:35 < daja77> even better 22:35 < Mike1> define new box :) 22:36 < mnemoc> p-mxx200/64 -> pII350/320 22:36 < mnemoc> same HD :( 22:36 < daja77> ahem old box? 22:36 < mnemoc> ?? ahem 22:37 < mnemoc> what 'ahem' means? 22:37 < daja77> it is a sound 22:37 < daja77> like *cough* 22:37 < Mike1> mnemoc: nice, so you will reduce build in at least one day 22:37 < mnemoc> :D 22:38 < mnemoc> Mike1: sure 22:38 * Mike1 quite pissed off for evolution issue. 22:38 < daja77> Mike1: why 22:38 < Mike1> have you been reading the mails? 22:38 < Mike1> i just send 2 mail to rlml btw 22:38 < daja77> superficial yes 22:39 < daja77> just don't get why you are pissed 22:39 < Mike1> ok daja77 look: 22:39 < Mike1> gnome* repos are intenmded to contain only gnome* *required* packages 22:39 < mnemoc> i understand multiple packages for core packages, but not for the rest 22:40 < Mike1> 2. I will not let us keep yet another package with multiple versions on the tree 22:40 < Mike1> i already hate this with bdb 22:40 < daja77> ack 22:40 * mnemoc hates bdb 22:40 < daja77> it was your friend nikolaus who complained 22:40 < mnemoc> i wanted bdb41 so i had to split it :( 22:40 < Mike1> 3. The package have been at my repos for quite a long time, and a guy can't just come around and take it out of _my_ repos without even asking me 22:41 < mnemoc> dunno how many packages currently NEEDS bdb33 or bdb40 22:41 < mnemoc> 3. <-- that can't happen 22:41 < daja77> bdb40 is needed by subversion afaik 22:42 < Mike1> daja77: Nikolaus and i don't really know very well, but i do agree with him on the fact the multiple package versions should not be allowed unless it is _REALLY_ necesary 22:42 < daja77> ok 22:42 < Mike1> bdb 3 was only need by evolution 1,2 i think 22:42 < daja77> a crap app like evolutions is enough in one instance 22:42 < Mike1> and it had its own bdb package downloaded anyways 22:42 < mnemoc> and nssdb 22:43 < mnemoc> daja77: full ack 22:43 < Mike1> i don't know if it really justified to be pissed off 22:43 < Mike1> but the thing is that i really didn't like this stuff 22:43 < daja77> Mike1: don't think so 22:44 < Mike1> daja77: i'm trying to look after gnome to get it funtional and doing fine, just as rene has kde 22:44 < Mike1> and so i need to take good care of every special detail 22:44 < Mike1> s/special/little 22:44 < daja77> yepp 22:45 < Mike1> and for example moving evolution to gnome* repos is something we don't want 22:45 < daja77> I was pissed by evolution when I first opened it, btw 22:45 < Mike1> also definitly _DEFINITLY_ don;'t want multiple packages versions 22:45 < Mike1> why were you pissed? 22:45 < mnemoc> evelution is a gnome* category, but not a gnome*/package 22:46 < Mike1> mnemoc: exaclty 22:46 < Mike1> exactly* 22:46 < daja77> it doesn't make sense to clone a shit program like outlook 22:46 < mnemoc> daja77: that's another topic 22:46 < Mike1> daja77: hey hld up, like evolution, and also it is fine to offer option to the users 22:46 < daja77> I know, just wanted to state that 22:46 < mnemoc> packages are wellcome, but not that way 22:47 < Mike1> daja77: ur reasons are different than mine, and not really related to rock specifically, but to the package itself 22:47 < daja77> Mike1: sure, sure, I got you :) 22:48 < mnemoc> daja77 was just 'expressing' hisself 22:48 * daja77 just likes to say that outlook is crap 22:48 < Mike1> daja77: ich weiss 22:48 < daja77> hehe 22:49 < mnemoc> i'll have to learn *that* language :( 22:50 < daja77> he only said: I know :) 22:51 < mnemoc> I "weiss" <-- i got that :( 22:51 < daja77> huh? 22:52 < daja77> *argl* who stole my rock cds 22:52 < Mike1> mnemoc: Ich weiss = I know 22:52 * Mike1 opens eyes, and runs away with the cds 22:52 < daja77> damn I knew it :) 22:52 < mnemoc> jetzt ich weiss ;) 22:53 < Mike1> ah kewl, mnemoc sprechen deutsch 22:53 < Mike1> ? 22:54 < daja77> cool so we can switch the chan language :)) 22:54 < mnemoc> NO!!! :( 22:55 < daja77> just kidding ... 22:55 < Mike1> sure export LANG=es_CL 22:55 < mnemoc> hehe 22:55 < Mike1> :) 22:55 -!- tcr [~tcr@pD9EAADBD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:55 < Mike1> daja77: cambiemos el lenguage del canal, yo no tengo ningun problema cone llo, y creo que mnemoc tampoco 22:55 < Mike1> cierto Ale? 22:55 < Mike1> :) 22:55 < mnemoc> obviamente... 22:56 < Mike1> bien queda definido entonces 22:56 < mnemoc> todos a hablar castellano 22:56 < Mike1> daja77: daje de andar traduciendo en babel 22:56 < Mike1> :P 22:56 < mnemoc> hehehe 22:56 < Mike1> ok enough torture for daja77 :) 22:56 < daja77> nah I unnderstood some parts 22:56 < daja77> :P 22:56 < Mike1> daja77: cool, so we can continue? 22:57 < daja77> nope 22:57 < Mike1> mnemoc: you are evil, confusing poor daja77 22:57 < Mike1> shame on you mnemoc 22:57 < mnemoc> :( 22:58 < mnemoc> sorry daja 22:58 < mnemoc> please don't eat my daughter :( 22:58 < daja77> *lol* count the lines, shame on Mike1 22:58 < mnemoc> :D 22:59 < Mike1> daja77: what? i didn't ment to confuse, mnemochad a shotgun pointing at my head, i had no other choice 22:59 < Mike1> daja77: but hey can eat mnemoc if you like 22:59 < daja77> *argl* I only once mentioned that kid eating stuff whle I was sleepy, and everybody remembers that :( 22:59 < mnemoc> ich sollte bekennen, ich tat es 22:59 < Mike1> daja77: hehehehehe :) 23:00 < daja77> I can't find the cds, this sucks 23:00 < daja77> mnemoc: O_o 23:00 < Mike1> daja77: mnemoc has them 23:00 < mnemoc> i got them a couple of hours ago by UPS 23:00 * daja77 wondering why Mikey points so quickly to mnemoc 23:01 < Mike1> daja77: i din't do it i pormisse 23:01 < Mike1> it was mnemoc 23:01 < Mike1> didn't* 23:01 * Mike1 slowly hides the cds.. 23:02 < tcr> moin all 23:02 < Mike1> hi tcr 23:02 < daja77> *waahoo* I found them 23:02 < tcr> hey Mike1 23:02 < Mike1> tcr: hi bro :) 23:03 < tcr> Got quite calm about development, me wonders 23:03 < Mike1> tcr: wht do you mean? 23:03 * daja77 updating his box while we speak 23:04 < tcr> Mike1: if you think positively, it means that bugs are getting rarer 23:05 < Mike1> yeah 23:05 < tcr> thinking negatively means that the monumentum's getting lower (which is natural, howsoever) 23:05 < Mike1> harder to fix 23:06 < tcr> Well, I'm very interested in what netrunner found. I'll make a cluster build myself. 23:07 < tcr> I'd have done that already, but I can't get the floppy drive working again 23:07 < Mike1> i will be running builds all thr weekend 23:07 < Mike1> have a lot of computing power available 23:07 < tcr> (I put it out for some marginal reason) 23:08 < tcr> Electricity flows. I don't think the fd cable is b0rken 23:08 < tcr> and I tried out all combination (in which direction the cable is plugged in) 23:09 < tcr> combinations 23:09 < Mike1> replace the cable :) 23:10 * Mike1 will test gnome1.4 tonigh 23:10 < daja77> gnome 1.4, wtf 23:10 < Mike1> i ment evolution :) 23:11 < tcr> Mike1: But a week ago the cable worked 23:11 < Mike1> sorry for the shocking :) 23:11 < tcr> Well, will try it out (just to go sure) tomorrow 23:11 < Mike1> tcr: have tested a different fd? 23:12 < tcr> it worked in my brother's box (that's the marginal reason) 23:12 < mnemoc> brb 23:12 -!- mnemoc [neron@200.75.27.116] has quit ("...") 23:12 < Mike1> tcr: quite weird 23:13 * daja77 notes that tcr has lots of weird hw 23:13 < Mike1> tcr: the only thing is left is try a different cable 23:15 < daja77> or throwing it out of the window ... 23:15 < tcr> daja77: Well just pretty old hw 23:16 < tcr> Without any manuals etc.. 23:16 < Mike1> old hw rocks : 23:16 < Mike1> :) 23:16 < daja77> speaking of that, on granny's pc there was an unlogged kernel panic >_< 23:16 < daja77> today 23:16 < Mike1> cool 23:16 < Mike1> :P 23:16 < daja77> :PPP 23:17 < daja77> I hate panics which don't make it to the log 23:17 < daja77> + *dm is shit software 23:18 < daja77> where * = x|g|k 23:18 -!- amery [~amery@200.75.4.104] has joined #rocklinux 23:18 < Mike1> amery: hi 23:18 < Mike1> :P 23:19 < daja77> hi amery 23:19 < amery> :) 23:19 < amery> nick mnemoc 23:19 < amery> shit 23:19 -!- amery is now known as mnemoc 23:19 < tcr> hmm I like amery more 23:19 < Mike1> s/shit/scheisse 23:19 * daja77 points and laughs at mnemoc 23:19 < mnemoc> :( 23:19 -!- mnemoc is now known as amery 23:20 < tcr> it sounds more female 23:20 < tcr> *bg* 23:20 < Mike1> hi amery..ca.. 23:20 < daja77> ack 23:20 < amery> o_O 23:20 -!- amery is now known as mnemoc 23:22 < daja77> as long as he isn't coreutils anymore ... 23:22 < Mike1> amery you are too quite 23:22 < Mike1> daja77: ? 23:22 < daja77> mnemoc once called himself coreutils cos he was pissed by it 23:23 < Mike1> hehe 23:23 < mnemoc> Mike1: do you like evolution ;) 23:23 < daja77> .oO I hope not 23:24 < Mike1> i currently use it for my business stuff 23:24 < mnemoc> even better... evolution14 :) 23:24 < Mike1> mnemoc: have noit tested evolution 1.4 23:24 < Mike1> will see how it is tonight 23:24 < tcr> https://freebits.de/trash/evolution.jpg 23:24 < Mike1> daja77: sorry to disapoint ya, but does offer me some advantages for business 23:24 < daja77> whic? 23:24 < daja77> +h 23:24 < Mike1> daja77: but for development i use mutt 23:25 < Mike1> tcr: nicepic :P 23:25 < Mike1> mnemoc: how about you ? 23:25 < Mike1> daja77: it lets my gf check mails for me :) 23:26 < daja77> hehe 23:26 < tcr> And that's good for bussines? U_u 23:26 < Mike1> tcr: i don't like to do hosting troubleshooting so yes its good :) 23:27 < tcr> Yeah, I like Just Works software, too. As long as it ain't any bloat 23:28 < daja77> my grandma uses kmail ... 23:29 < Mike1> tcr: you will come to cr next yeaR?> 23:30 < tcr> Mike1: It means for just to acquire the money for the flight, right? 23:30 < tcr> for me 23:30 < Mike1> tcr: and for some expenses 23:30 < Mike1> tcr: no need to worry about a place to sleep or conectivity :) 23:31 < daja77> yeah you have to work hard, and then Mike1 gets some chicks for you 23:31 < Mike1> daja77: wanna see some cr chick powerrrrr? 23:31 < daja77> yeeesss 23:31 < Mike1> you does ur browser support javascript? else you won't be able to see the pics 23:32 < Mike1> https://cr.2night.com/home.asp?Categoria=Eventos&Titulo=Fiesta+Deep+Blue+&Fecha=S%E1b+28+de+Junio&AlbumID=03711 23:32 < daja77> yepp, trying konqueror 23:32 < Mike1> ok check out the babes on the pic number 1 23:32 < Mike1> we can arrange a meeting with them :) 23:32 < tcr> Mike1: So I approve to come if everything behaves as I imagine 23:32 < Mike1> tcr: good. 23:33 < daja77> no flash plugin *argl* 23:33 < daja77> hmm rene asked me todo a pacakge for it, I really should do this 23:33 < Mike1> daja77: oh man poor daja77 23:34 < Mike1> lets see i can get the pics for ya 23:34 < daja77> nah I see pics 23:34 < daja77> just no flash in rock 23:35 < tcr> Nice. Just a bit too old :> 23:35 < daja77> ok I take that two, and you? 23:35 < daja77> yeah Mike1 get some younger chicks, hehe 23:36 < daja77> I don't wanna meet your mom >:-> 23:36 * daja77 runs away 23:36 < tcr> I bet I could get through as Mike1's son 23:36 < tcr> Well as Mike's super intelligent son, that's it. ;))) 23:36 < Mike1> great i managed to decode the pics location 23:36 < daja77> hehe 23:37 < Mike1> tcr: if you were not inteligent you woulnd't be my son :P 23:37 < daja77> tcr: hmm if you say nothing, perhaps :)) 23:37 < Mike1> daja77: check this baby: 23:37 < Mike1> https://fotos1.2night.com/03711/038b.jpg 23:37 < Mike1> wanna meet her? 23:37 * daja77 checking 23:37 * tcr . o O ( Mike1 the pander! ) 23:38 < Mike1> or do you prefer: https://fotos1.2night.com/03711/001b.jpg ?? 23:38 < daja77> bah without him 23:38 < Mike1> daja77: i said the girl not thew looser :) 23:38 < daja77> *gg* 23:39 < daja77> you know him? 23:40 < Mike1> not him but her yeah 23:40 < daja77> great 23:40 < Mike1> she works at a disco 23:40 < daja77> aha 23:40 < Mike1> some loosers like him ask her to let them have a pic with her and so 23:40 < daja77> hehe 23:40 < tcr> I only wanna sadgothgurls :< 23:41 < Mike1> daja77: you see having such quality girl at a disco can get you tons of cutomers if you know what i mean 23:41 < daja77> sure 23:41 < daja77> tcr: take owl then *vbeg* 23:41 < Mike1> daja77: you should come with tcr, that we can leave him at home while you an i go to hang around with the babes 23:41 < daja77> *lol* 23:41 < Mike1> daja77: as you know tcr is too young to come with us :P 23:42 < daja77> yepp and someone has to clean the dishes 23:43 < Mike1> hehe 23:43 < tcr> I'm not the type of someone who goes to parties anyway 23:43 < Mike1> tcr: okis :) 23:43 < daja77> perfect! 23:43 < Mike1> tcr: how are you btw? 23:44 < tcr> I'm A Geek. Yadda yadda 23:44 < Mike1> :PP 23:45 < daja77> Mike1: if you want to get him to work, you'd have to switch wlan off 23:45 < Mike1> :PP 23:45 < tcr> Mike1: Still two weeks school but no tests etc anymore! So got time for restructure my home network (if I'd only get the damn fd working) 23:45 < tcr> Hmm, got no laptop anyway. 23:46 * daja77 has two atm 23:46 < Mike1> daja77: poser! 23:46 < tcr> Will burn an archive of my settings on CD and will take that one with me when I go to mike 23:46 < daja77> *gg* one borrowed from my sister 23:46 < daja77> Mike1: will you go to sg, now that sars is over? 23:47 < tcr> daja77 is a damn rich dandy (reicher Schnösel) 23:47 < daja77> no 23:47 -!- Ge0rG [georg@212.21.74.154] has joined #rocklinux 23:47 < tcr> then ya family 23:47 < Mike1> daja77: some cituations have come up, so after some talking with cchamilt i believe it won't happen in a near future 23:47 < daja77> ah hi Ge0rG 23:47 < Ge0rG> good morning 23:47 < daja77> Mike1: wtf 23:47 < Mike1> hi Ge0rG 23:48 < Mike1> daja77: long story 23:48 < daja77> /query perhaps? 23:48 < tcr> Mike1: So that's definitive? Chris shortly mentioned that topic 23:48 < Ge0rG> /usr/bin/sendmail: line 2: exec: sendmail_sendmail: not found 23:48 -!- kasc [~kasc@p50909E32.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23:48 < Mike1> tcr: yups. 23:49 < Mike1> tcr: but we might merge efford and get something moving. 23:49 * Ge0rG experiences mail sending problems on rock2.0 23:49 < tcr> Not life critical, I hope? 23:49 < Mike1> daja77: query.. 23:49 < Mike1> tcr: oh no no, nothing to do with that 23:49 < Mike1> Ge0rG: define mail sending problems 23:50 < Ge0rG> Mike1: /usr/bin/sendmail is a shellscript referencing sendmail_sendmail, which doesn't exist (see error message above) 23:50 < Mike1> Ge0rG: you do have sendmail installed right? 23:51 < Ge0rG> ah, its under /usr/sbin/sendmail_sendmail, which isnt in $PATH for regular users. 23:52 < Mike1> grrr 23:53 < Ge0rG> ohwait. it is in the path in the default config? 23:57 < daja77> booting updated box, brb --- Log closed Sun Jul 06 00:00:13 2003