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[01:23] [anders-mcafee] (~snafu@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:38] netrunne1 (~andreas@p5498221A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. [04:47] netrunner (~andreas@p549816D1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:47] Nick change: netrunne1 -> netrunner [05:15] sparc-kly (~t2@66-50-33-174.prtc.net) joined #rocklinux. [05:27] BoS_ (~bodo@dsl-082-082-241-046.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [05:31] BoS (~bodo@dsl-082-082-243-224.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [06:06] [anders-mcafee] (~snafu@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) joined #rocklinux. [06:36] owl (~owl@karnaya.de) joined #rocklinux. [06:36] <owl> #moin [07:09] <netrunner> moin, 2 [07:13] <owl> hi netrunner [07:23] kasc_ (~kasc@dsl-082-083-133-113.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [07:25] [anders-mcafee] (~snafu@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:33] kasc (~kasc@dsl-082-083-130-172.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:33] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [07:33] <owl> gnarf. bug-hunting the whole fscking evening - and in the morning you see, that the only fault is your own blindness *pukes* [07:40] <netrunner> oh yeah, debugged a wlan for 3h day before yesterday. [07:41] <netrunner> didn't work because I had a route to the same net to my vlan which wasn't even active at that time. [07:41] <netrunner> but had a higher priority route :) [07:41] <owl> hihi. then i'm lucky that not just me is "blind" :p [08:19] <netrunner> argl, did it again. [08:20] Action: netrunner to tired to solve probs now. going to work. [08:20] <owl> *g* great solution, netrunner, really ;) [08:24] <owl> .oO( those doves are strange... ) [08:30] <blindcoder> moin [08:40] <owl> hi blindcoder [08:40] <blindcoder> moin owl [08:48] <netrunner> shared files: usr/bin/uudecode: gmime sharutils [08:48] <netrunner> *sing* white dove, fly with the wind, take our hope, under your wings ... lalalalalala [08:49] <blindcoder> I have shared files between egcs64 and gcc34 [08:49] <blindcoder> well, every file, really [09:02] [anders-mcafee] (~snafu@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) joined #rocklinux. [09:05] <th> did we have package "pixieplus" in trunk at any time? [09:06] <blindcoder> yes [09:07] <th> and dropped it when? [09:08] <th> when it stopped accepting newer versions of imagemagick? or as of kde-3.3.2? [09:08] <th> i just updated imagemagick and pixieplus failed [09:08] <th> but it seems to be part of kdegraphics anyhow [09:09] <blindcoder> the last I find is 2004091106031719582 [09:09] <th> hmm not that long ago [09:11] <th> found it [09:11] <th> r5676 | clifford | 2005-03-08 14:32:00 +0100 (Tue, 08 Mar 2005) | 6 lines [09:11] <th> Clifford Wolf: [09:11] <th> Removed gnomesword and pixieplus packages [09:11] <th> They are horribly broken and de-facto unmaintained [09:12] <th> ok i'll drop pixieplus at least [09:29] <[anders-mcafee]> https://joshua.sackheads.org/~ian/iipf.m4a <- veerry funny (use mplayer to play) [09:42] <netrunner> [anders-mcafee]: the new mplayer remote exploit? [09:43] <blindcoder> hehe [09:43] Action: netrunner fighting with iptraf [09:43] <[anders-mcafee]> netrunner: nope, it is from a musical called AvenueQ [10:15] <netrunner> gn. kernel header problems again :( [10:18] <netrunner> could it be that packages without .cache will not be built if I select "build only if predecessors built fine"? [10:20] <blindcoder> they won't be built if you select "Build only pacakges known not to be broken" [10:24] <netrunner> I only have <*> Do not try building packages if deps failed [10:24] <netrunner> and [ ] Disable packages which are marked as broken [10:24] <netrunner> but 5-cgilib was not built which made rrdtool fail which made lm_sensors fail. [10:25] <blindcoder> hmm [10:25] <blindcoder> strange [10:25] <netrunner> and it's not in the pkgqueue. [10:27] <netrunner> DEBUG: Not building 9-cgilib: earlier stages not done for this package. [10:27] <netrunner> but nothing about 5-cgilib [10:29] <netrunner> I think the problem is it is not contained in the dep_db [10:44] <netrunner> ah, packages without dependencies automatically depend on all packages. [10:49] veki (~chatzilla@217.24.19.40) joined #rocklinux. [10:57] <netrunner> damn, stupid kde library documentation takes long to generate [11:02] <clifford> moin. [11:03] <clifford> building now the 8th day. 293 packages to go.. [11:03] <clifford> I think I need a faster build machine. *g* [11:04] <netrunner> moin clifford [11:04] <clifford> moin netrunner [11:05] <blindcoder> 8 days for a reference build o_O [11:05] <blindcoder> what machine are you building on? a K6? [11:05] <netrunner> qemu *eg* [11:05] <clifford> AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+ [11:05] <clifford> with 1 GB memory [11:06] <blindcoder> seems awfully long [11:06] <blindcoder> I think a crystal only takes three days on my P4 1.8 with 1GB Ram [11:06] <daja77> crystal is a small subset [11:06] <blindcoder> btw, I finally got my beamer for my living room :D [11:06] <clifford> how many packages is a crytsal build? [11:06] <blindcoder> daja77: yes, but still, > 8 days? [11:07] <daja77> hm crystal about 200 iirc [11:07] <daja77> or 300 [11:07] <netrunner> that's a tenth :) [11:07] <netrunner> Error: fontconfig: Didn't find expected font family. Perhaps URW Type 1 fonts need inst [11:08] <netrunner> argl. [11:08] <netrunner> 2973 builds total, 489 completed fine, 4 with errors. [11:08] <clifford> 304 package builds (not packages) in crystal, 2961 in reference.. [11:09] <blindcoder> okay, /me shuts up :) [11:09] Action: daja77 kicking binutils 2.16.x out [11:10] <netrunner> daja77: what's the problem? [11:11] <daja77> that assembler issues it has might hurt other packages as well [11:11] <netrunner> daja77: I have ~500 packages completed fine. the 4 errors are not related to binutils. [11:11] <netrunner> daja77: or do you see runtime problems? [11:13] <daja77> haven't made it to runtime yet, just annoyed trying anything new from the gnu toolchain atm, tried too many stuff ;) [11:13] <netrunner> daja77: well, it works fine here. you may as well wait a few days for my build to finish, it will include the updates. [11:18] clifford (~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at) left irc: "Client exiting" [11:21] <netrunner> weha, fixed iptraf [11:21] <daja77> nice [11:22] clifford (~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at) joined #rocklinux. [11:35] <netrunner> https://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.11.10 [11:36] <netrunner> do they mean security issue with "root hole"? [11:36] <blindcoder> yes [11:36] <blindcoder> privilege escalation [11:36] <netrunner> *sigh* [11:37] <blindcoder> local users only, though [11:42] <owl> sigh. i want a faster server. [11:43] <blindcoder> why's that? [11:44] <netrunner> do we have a sql gui or shall I try to package sqlgui? [11:45] <owl> blindcoder: cuz the p1 is a bit fast for performing database crap [11:46] clifford (~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:48] <netrunner> for using utf-8, do I have to fiddle something with my compile, or would I simply set the locale? [11:48] <blindcoder> simply setting the locale before installation should be fine [11:49] <netrunner> before? not during? [11:49] <netrunner> you mean in stone? [11:49] Action: netrunner really needs to be able to use cyrillic letters :) [11:51] <blindcoder> after booting the install CD [11:55] <netrunner> ok. I'll try. [12:02] clifford (~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at) joined #rocklinux. [12:05] esden (~esdentem@apollo.bingo-ev.de) joined #rocklinux. [12:05] <esden> hello everyone! [12:06] <netrunner> hi esden [12:07] <esden> hi netrunner! [12:14] <owl> moin esden [12:15] <esden> hi owl! [12:43] Action: netrunner wonders if clifford does reference builds without paranoia [13:05] <SMP> locale? compile? installation? you can define and change the locale at any time you wish. just make sure your terminal agrees [13:05] <SMP> (on the charset= [13:06] <clifford> netrunner: why? [13:07] <blindcoder> SMP: according to a story on newsforge on how to convert to utf you need to make sure that filenames are stored in utf, too [13:08] <blindcoder> https://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/10/27/1631244&tid=130 [13:09] <SMP> the first 127 chars of UTF-8 and ASCII are identical, so for all sane filenames there is no need to convert anything [13:10] <blindcoder> well, it'll start being funny if you have äöü ÄÖÜ ß in your filenames I guess [13:11] <SMP> of course if you have Latin1 umlauts in your own filenames or filenames in other encodings they will give you problems with appications in a UTF-8 locale [13:13] veki (~chatzilla@217.24.19.40) left #rocklinux. [13:15] <esden> cu guys [13:15] esden (~esdentem@apollo.bingo-ev.de) left irc: "leaving" [13:17] <fake> das find; ich schon [13:17] <daja77> erh hi fake [13:17] <fake> douh [13:17] <fake> hi daja! [13:17] <fake> whazzuuuuup? [13:18] <daja77> what do you think, should I give a talk about livecds next month? [13:18] <fake> go go go! [13:19] <daja77> :) [13:19] <fake> beat the shit out of knoppix [13:19] <daja77> speaking of that, did you have a look at that unionfs they are using? [13:20] <fake> yes, once [13:20] <fake> it sucks [13:20] <daja77> could you explain? ;) [13:21] <daja77> .oO (I should build a livecd for the talk and using it) [13:24] <fake> it's a kernel patch [13:24] <fake> and the latest versions it applies against was 2.6.0-testsomething when i tested i [13:24] <fake> +t [13:24] <fake> as clifford proved, it's an unneeded kernel patch [13:25] <fake> unneeded kernel patches always suck, it's a rule ;-) [13:26] <daja77> ok that kernel patch thing I noticed, thought there might be other disadvantages you experienced [13:27] <fake> i can't remember [13:27] <daja77> ok :) [13:27] <fake> all i remember is that i read about it in the linux journal, and they talked lile all the way around the meat, and then i tried it, and it didn't convince me [13:28] <daja77> it sounds more complicated than shadowfs [13:28] <clifford> daja77: www.clifford.at/papers/2005/shadowfs/slides.pdf (btw) [13:29] <daja77> ah thx [13:35] <daja77> .oO (GLIBC_IS_UGLY :D) [13:37] <clifford> .. activates some hacks to wrap stat() syscalls.. [13:38] <daja77> :) [13:48] Action: fake looking forward to meeting the imperator tonight [13:49] <daja77> hehe hf [13:50] <daja77> found another issue: they say stacking with reiserfs causes trouble, should work with cowfs without any harm, if I got that right [13:50] <fake> daja77: that sounds weird [13:50] <fake> i thought there is a reason why it is calles _virtual_ filesystem layer [13:51] <daja77> well it is in their README file [13:54] <clifford> * netrunner wonders if clifford does reference builds without paranoia [13:54] <clifford> netrunner: why??? [13:54] Action: clifford doesn't like it when someone brings up a topic and then ignores follow-ups.. *grml* [13:54] <clifford> ;-) [13:56] <daja77> *gg* perhaps he is just off :) [13:58] <blindcoder> Fup2: /dev/null ? [13:58] <daja77> th: I thought of testing kernel updates for 2.0, do you prefer 2.4 or 2.6 as standard kernel in that test? [13:58] <th> i'd love 2.6 in 2.0.4 [13:58] <daja77> aye [13:58] <th> cool [14:08] <daja77> ooops [14:08] <daja77> bash-2.05b# scripts/Create-CkSumPatch linux24 linux26|patch -p0 [14:08] <daja77> diff: `-0' option is obsolete; use `-U 0' [14:08] <daja77> diff: Try `diff --help' for more information. [14:13] <netrunner> clifford: never mind, I think it was my bad. [14:14] <clifford> hmmm.. ok. [14:14] Action: clifford is still curious. [14:15] Action: daja77 is wondering why create-cksumpatch is broken in 2.0 [14:15] <daja77> it produces that output: [14:15] <daja77> diff -U 0 ./package/base/linux24/linux24.desc /tmp/31996 [14:15] <daja77> --- ./package/base/linux24/linux24.desc 2005-05-18 14:05:49.529407656 +0200 [14:15] <daja77> +++ /tmp/31996 2005-05-18 14:16:00.315554048 +0200 [14:16] <netrunner> grml, have to restart my build. [14:17] treo (~xfman@80.184.178.170) joined #rocklinux. [14:17] <netrunner> hm. if it works if I simply mine -r the last packages? or those from 5- ... [14:29] <daja77> ok fixed ... unfortunately I can't commit ;) [14:35] <netrunner> clifford: I had an amount of shared file issues. I preferred to blame you before I found out it was my fault :) [14:37] <clifford> oh. what did you do?? [14:39] <netrunner> clifford: move gnome-2.conf and similar to where they belong. [14:40] <netrunner> clifford: I discussed with th and he agrees to my point that e.g. gnome-2.conf is inherited by all subdirs of package/gnome2/, so it should be placed there. [15:26] <daja77> th: linux24 builds before linux26, even when linux26 is selected as default, because of the given priorities, hope that doesn't matter [15:31] <th> hmm [15:32] <daja77> linux24 is 109.000 and linux26 is 110.000 [15:33] <clifford> daja77: shouldn't cause any harm. [15:33] <daja77> hope so :) [15:35] <th> who sets the /usr/src/linux link? [15:36] <clifford> the linux-source package for the default kernel (the one selected using ROCKCFG_PKG_LINUX_HEADERS) [15:37] <clifford> .. at least in TRUNK. ;-) [15:40] <th> dont deplou uncertainty to me please ;-) [15:40] <th> s,deplou,deploy, [15:40] <daja77> don't get me wrong, I really was a bit confused before I got that 2.0 build running the way I wanted it to go, trunk is so much different, I am not used to this anymore ;) [15:42] <blindcoder> I still get problems with egcs64 :( [15:42] <blindcoder> just about every file is shared between it and gcc34 [15:48] <SMP> I thought egcs was finally dead? [15:48] <blindcoder> I need something to compile the kernel with [15:49] <SMP> ARCH=sparc64? [15:50] <blindcoder> yeah [15:50] <SMP> they still didn't get rid of the dependancy on egcs? oh my ... [15:51] <blindcoder> at least with gcc34 I get tons of "__you_cannot_kmalloc_that_much: symbol not found" errors [15:51] <blindcoder> everywhere [15:51] <blindcoder> be it the input layer or whatever [15:51] <daja77> hm have seen that too ... but got rid of it [15:52] <blindcoder> daja77: how? [15:53] <SMP> that looks like a linker error [15:53] <daja77> blindcoder: I am trying to remember ... [15:54] <blindcoder> SMP: no, it's a function that's defined in the kmalloc function as "extern __you_cannot_kmalloc_that_much" and probably shall serve as an error message [15:55] <SMP> yeah. that doesn't contradict my statement [15:56] <blindcoder> well, not directly :) [16:02] <SMP> apropos gnome-2.conf. I think glib should really be moved to base and installed to /usr. it is really not specific to Gnome in any way [16:03] <daja77> agreed [16:04] <daja77> blindcoder: all I got out of google is, that this is pagesize related on 64bit archs, several different problems leading to that error though ... [16:05] <blindcoder> so, what should pagesize be changed to? [16:08] Freak (~freak@hydra.linuxtag.uni-kl.de) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [16:11] <daja77> that's the annoying news, the reported problems should have been fixed months ago [16:12] <blindcoder> great [16:13] <blindcoder> maybe I should send a mail to lkml [16:30] <daja77> https://www.faz.net/s/Rub6EAA9BF249C249FE86A5EFF3F83DC130/Doc~E44B50EBD23E54A869F9F773545BF34C1~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html [16:32] <daja77> scnr [16:32] <blindcoder> hehe [16:56] SteffenP (steffen@p54997DCC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. 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